No, she didnt say that. She said the most thing she was worried about was that for 9 weeks she had kept everything covered up (nakedness) and then towards the end of BB she was exposed on national TV. She did mention she felt her bum was big, but her main concern was being naked on national TV in front of friends and family and not her size.

Seeing yourself as fat is relative - If someone goes up 1-2 dress sizes and puts on weight over a 2 month period, then surely most of us would feel fat regardless of what size we were to start with.

She also said to Alex afterwards about being worried as she put on weight. I heard her say it. Alex said that is silly because she looks great. Then he went on to say Jade keeps going on about her kebab belly but if she didnt he wouldnt even notice it. I know she said about the 9 weeks without being naked as well.

If you're afraid of being seen naked on TV then going on Big Brother is a really stupid idea!

There is nothing a lot of people dislike more than two people who complement each other in the good looks stakes getting together. Alex and Kate are right to back off, and perhaps it was
Alex who advised her to keep their liason or intended liason a secret , being that he is the one who knows about the media game, and the timing of the do's and dont's in the public eye.

I noticed that when they first got in the bath tub together, PJ came out and said to the others that they were snogging, when the screening on E4 and the interactive facility, never showed anything but them talking in the tub, and Kate washing his back, in later weeks, it was reported that Channel 4 or BB had cut masses of footage from that 'episode' between them, because it was too raunchy. Im not sure, but I think that was Dermot who revealed that. Maybe some of it was also cut because one of their parents was controlling events, guess who?

The same was reported of the penultimate night when they all got naked, and scenes of Alex and Kate in the tub were again
cut, reported to be too explicit this time.

The clip of Alex butting in and stopping Kate during her after dinner speech, when he said "leave it at that" points to their being involved more than we know, and I am extremely suspicious that they are already in a relationship, and I agree that at least one of their families, has been busy controlling the media in regards to privacy of one of them and therefore both of them.
It did not escape my notice that one of their parents, was being
treated with large grovelling respect for some time before the final by the TV company and therefore BB and BBLB, and I believe the story behind what we are seeing, since the show ended, could rival the intrigue of BB3!.

Wether the secrecy is because one or both the families disapprove, or wether it is because the relationship must not be allowed to spoil Alex and Kate's individual popularity with the public remains to be seen.
Well that's how I have perceived what is going on anyway, right or wrong, for me, watching the two HM's in question in the house, then watching them outside the house, I cannot imagine why they are still not doing what they were doing inside the house during the last fortnight, which is, keeping apart during the day, and getting together late at night.
After all, it takes a lot of attraction for two people to consistently seek each other out and do what they did, and logic points to
the high possibility that they are meeting up secretly from the public, anyway.
I am sure that if I had camped out overnight outside their houses, I would have witnessed one of them leaving the house
to got to the other this week. What the papparazzi have probably not expected, is that the two in question would behave like megastars in their thinking, but they have missed the ultimate clue, which is that Alex's side of things, has dealt with media and also the financial aspect of behaviour for generations.
Kate is the one who gives me most of these discernments, Alex is not around like she has to be on the E4 series.
Kate is good at concealment only to a certain point, but I find her quite easy to read.

I agree about Alex's family in your observations, but I have not seen anything re Kate's family about Spencer, all I saw during the awards dinner was when Kate's sister would look at her as she was reacting to the moments when Alex was mentioned or whatever. The same on stage on the final night.

In addition to my first answer to this question, I will try to be more specific to your question in this answer, and say that it's difficult to get inside Kate's head on this one, apart from my first answer given previously to this.

But here goes: Kate had Tim and Jade to consider as well.
As it appeared that for some time, the HM's had considered
Jade and Tim to be unpopular with the public, because of what had been shouted 'over the wall', it could be that Kate figured, that nominating Tim and Jade would not guarantee which one would leave, the votes might be very low and close for two housemates who she thought were both unpopular. So, she thought, that putting Alex against Tim would get rid of Tim for sure,(as Alex had proved his staying power with the public) and therefore leave Alex no choice but to mix and join with her and the other two.
Did you see the footage of Kate, before Tim went, but after the nominations, sitting Johnny and Jade down and asking them to give Alex a chance to find his place amongst them if Tim went, she also said to them that she felt Alex would relax and join in with them if herself and Jade could give him some attention and refer to him more, this was a very diplomatic way of asking Johnny to back off a little, and give another bloke a chance to express himself.

"noticed that when they first got in the bath tub together, PJ came out and said to the others that they were snogging, when the screening on E4 and the interactive facility, never showed anything but them talking in the tub, and Kate washing his back"

Typical PJ joke, that's all. As if they'd just start snogging in the bath tub. Every kiss Kate had in that house, was either covered by her hands, a flag or a bed cover. She's not going to just kiss someone in a bath tub. Especially when all they've been talking about is Japan and skin care.

What's your take on Kate just now on E4?
She's getting more desirable by the moment!
Aaarghh! MMmm.

I thought she came across really well on todays show. Funny, natural, and a new impression

Just wish Alison would stop showing up next to her, every second. Not that I dislike Alison, but god, bugger off!

coming across well - wonder why she decided to kip in a hotel instead of home though....

Maybe Spencer was just to the side of her. More likely to be Alison though... She was always getting in the way, and then the bars...

Ha Ha! Yes lead me back to my fave topic why dont you.....

Errmm... YEAH : Have you any IDEA how easy it is to nip over to Germany and back on a plane for peanuts?or poppie?

nah i doubt it, if anyone i think it would have been spencer
that girl is dying for a shag!

Yes I am easy to wind up,(on the Al Kate topic that is) thanks thong!

Did you see and hear the moment when Alex has his jacket on and is ready to leave the BB house, and Kate holds his face between her hands (dear) and kisses him, and says "I'll see you outside darling" and then she repeats it and adds more along the lines of "wont be long darling, Ill see you soon"
all that audio was promptly cut when it was rescreened in later broadcasts.

Spencer is not an option Kate is considering.
Any girl that starts a sentence with "Spencer is a sweet guy..."
as Kate did when Dermot asked her about it on Sunday at the awards... is letting down gently.
Not that Spencer feels let down, he just wants to get in there, nothing else.

You do seem to have a rather unhealthy obsession with Alex and Kate... One that I'm sure you'll fully admit to.

has anyone ever considered that they knew eachother b4 and met at their auditions ....lee and pj did as they both were from the midlands and alex and kate lived near each other so wouldnt they have gone to the same one

Funnily enough, Kate and Jade met each other at the auditions. Tim and Jonny did as well I believe.

I agree! Her imagination is off the scale!!

Think shes putting 2 + 2 together and making 109587566!!!!

Yeah I'm really enjoying 'the winners week' on E4. It's a shame it's over. I wonder if they'll show more clips on channel 4 tomorrow night.

It was interesting to see Kate and Jade meet up at the book signing tonight. I wasn't sure whether to believe Jade or not as she said she didn't like Kate on Graham Norton the other night.

I enjoyed tonight's program as well, though I would have picked a Bergkamp shirt rather than Freddy's!! I thought the whole Jade and Kate thing was rather stilted, Kate was right to be wary, afterall there is no smoke without a fire. Jade rushed through her supposed explanation and to be honest, whether it was because of the editing or not, everyone else seemed to be quite distanced from her as well. She just swanned in and swanned out and no one really bothered.

I have to say Jade seems to be getting a bit high on her popularity at the moment, I hope she finds her way back to earth pretty soon. Then again, that's an accusation that's been levelled at Kate already but Jade is the one that I'm seeing it in. I also wondered about the hotel thing... hmmm it wasn't THAT late at night to drive home was it? I'm thinking someone else was in that room with her and if it had been Alison, we would have surely seen her since she seems to love the camera so much. I wonder....


the scrutineer

hyacinthbee, (love that handle!)
Firstly,

I agree that my imagination appears to run riot,
but at the risk of making you all unable to take me seriously
ever again (and I do hope this forum is not about being serious entirely !) I have always had the gift of discernment, it is natural, and I cannot look at or listen to people without seeing and listening to the truth inside them, it is like looking through
a misty puddle and seeing the clear water behind the mist.
That is why I am enjoying this communication medium so much, because it is easier to remember to 'switch off' and
take the conversation and the people as read.

secondly I am not a 'she', I am he, and because I can't help myself - and also because it might explain some of my interest in AL and Kate, I will tell you that in other people's opinions and behaviour, not mine, I am or have been subject to in my life,
a few goings on in relation to women and the issue of two people being very complimentary to each other, the hate aspect or jealousy factor when two such people get together and the subsequent fallout of such, amongst friends and family.

I get on well with very few blokes when we are face to face, because I am excluded on sight when I enter a strange bar room for instance, which is full of girls and boys, the boys dont want to see me there, and sometimes the girls react to me with bitchiness because they instantly assume that I would not fancy them/compare me with their partner and feel they are being shown up/ and on and on. It is a lonely life being visibly noticeable and having the majority of people in a 'lets get together and meet new people situation' wanting to ignore you or feeling lacking in some way because of your presence.
some blokes even look straight at their wives/girlfriends to see their reaction.
It is actually the attention, the noticeability factor that spoils my time, and over the years i have kept to interacting within a tiny circle, where I am understood and known for who I am.

I understand the complex reaction to issues such as Alex and Kate's, both by them to each other, and by the onlookers who had to interact with it all, the HM's, and the public's reactions.
Given a chance, most people will subconsciously not see something that they dismiss themselves from. That is not right but it is human nature.
all this at any time on any subject does not mean that what i perceive I then feel is true or right.
I do stay with my discernments though, until i can discover the truth, one way or the other.
I have rarely been wrong,on this type of subject,that's just a fact, not that I am someone who thinks he is right all the time.

I'll remember you if something develops between the pair later.

So will I!

LOL!!