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Old 26-01-2006, 13:00
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I just heard, erm "I don't need no good advice", some song by them and it was a clear rip off of "My Sharona". Also, that Sound of The Underground song reminds me of "Beat Goes On", by All Seeing I.

Jump is a cover.

I'll Stand By You is a cover.

Is See The Day a cover?

Very original, I have to say...
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Old 26-01-2006, 13:43
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It's what's known in the "biz" as a sample. Everybody does it! I bet at least 20 songs in the Top 40 use a sample of some kind.

Ooh, and three covers out of 11 singles! Hardly Westlife, are they. Plus there's at least 40+ other original songs they've recorded. It's just that their stupid record company think people want bland covers for some reason, instead of an original, stomping GA classic. Booooo at Polydor.

So ner.

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Old 26-01-2006, 13:50
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A "Sample" is using a small bit of a song (a sample..).

Covers are just that. Using someone elses song because a) you cant write anything good yourself and/or b) neither can those who write the songs for you.

Most of the tripe manufactured bands do this. Covers should be banned from the charts.
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Old 26-01-2006, 16:56
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wow, covered everything, haven't you
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Old 26-01-2006, 16:59
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Why the hell must people refer to all pop as manufactured tripe?

It's a horrible generalisation and perhaps you should bloody listen to some of it before branding it crap.

Some of the "real bands" on offer are twice as bad! the reason there is such music prejudice is because people always say they only listen to real bands or one genre... and then don't give anything else a chance.

I challenge you to just listen to a song, doesn't matter who it's by, what genre it is, manufactured or not and say if you like it or not.

I wish people would stop basing their likes on certain things. I'm open to just about every genre apart from rap because it's not my thing. It's so different from all other genres of music and it's pretty hard to get into.

Meanwhile, i'll give you two examples. In terms of songs, Girls Aloud and say, Arctic Monkeys are not miles away from one another and i'll tell you why. Both release songs, sure the're a bit different but what do they have in common? Catchy singable lyrics and a hook that gets it in your head.

I can enjoy "Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor" and "Biology" because I recognise a good tune when I see one instead of branding it crap as soon as I hear who it's by.
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Old 26-01-2006, 17:27
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Originally Posted by DanVitale
A "Sample" is using a small bit of a song (a sample..).

Covers are just that. Using someone elses song because a) you cant write anything good yourself and/or b) neither can those who write the songs for you.

Most of the tripe manufactured bands do this. Covers should be banned from the charts.
Or maybe the artist doing the covering really likes the band/song and wants to do an interpretation of their own of it. Not all covers are bad. Tori Amos covers songs and completely makes them her own. Incidentally... on the Led Zeppelin tribute album (covers) Robert Plant appeared on Tori's version of Down By The Seaside because he believes she does covers better than anyone, and considered it an honour she wanted to do one of their songs.
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Old 26-01-2006, 17:38
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Originally Posted by Scissor*Sister
Why the hell must people refer to all pop as manufactured tripe?

It's a horrible generalisation and perhaps you should bloody listen to some of it before branding it crap.

Some of the "real bands" on offer are twice as bad! the reason there is such music prejudice is because people always say they only listen to real bands or one genre... and then don't give anything else a chance.

I challenge you to just listen to a song, doesn't matter who it's by, what genre it is, manufactured or not and say if you like it or not.

I wish people would stop basing their likes on certain things. I'm open to just about every genre apart from rap because it's not my thing. It's so different from all other genres of music and it's pretty hard to get into.

Meanwhile, i'll give you two examples. In terms of songs, Girls Aloud and say, Arctic Monkeys are not miles away from one another and i'll tell you why. Both release songs, sure the're a bit different but what do they have in common? Catchy singable lyrics and a hook that gets it in your head.

I can enjoy "Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor" and "Biology" because I recognise a good tune when I see one instead of branding it crap as soon as I hear who it's by.
Very well put!

Pop is only popular music and not even a genre to me anymore and since R'n'B and hip-hop seem to dominate the charts does that not now qualify as 'pop'?

I'm into rock/indie but can find a song from every genre that I think is well written,sung or just simply a decent song.I'm not a lover of GA but IMO they've released a couple of ok tracks.
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Old 26-01-2006, 17:46
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Are Girls Aloud another Louis Walsh band?

I'm seeing a trend... G4, Westlife, Girls Aloud. Perhaps he's to blame for releasing cover songs so much? (are G4 under Loius Walsh, too? )

And who is this post referred to "all pop as manufactured tripe"? DanVitale simply said that "Most of the tripe manufactured bands do this", not saying that pop was all manufactureed tripe; there's no denying that Girls Aloud are a manufactured group!

To Fenixx: Well, they may have 40+ original songs, but people, like myself, who do not (and would not) buy a Girls Aloud record only hear the singles they release, which makes them look worse.

I don't care what genre they're under... they're still crap I'm not into genres anyway... that just makes music boring.
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Old 26-01-2006, 19:03
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Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy
Are Girls Aloud another Louis Walsh band?

I'm seeing a trend... G4, Westlife, Girls Aloud. Perhaps he's to blame for releasing cover songs so much? (are G4 under Loius Walsh, too? )


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yes they are louis walsh's bands, and as for what they sing, i doubt the girls have a huge amount of control over what goes on the records, that is why A&R people exists at record companies. Many bands admit that there are songs that are on the albums/singles that they are not that keen on.
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Old 26-01-2006, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy
Are Girls Aloud another Louis Walsh band?

I'm seeing a trend... G4, Westlife, Girls Aloud. Perhaps he's to blame for releasing cover songs so much? (are G4 under Loius Walsh, too? )

And who is this post referred to "all pop as manufactured tripe"? DanVitale simply said that "Most of the tripe manufactured bands do this", not saying that pop was all manufactureed tripe; there's no denying that Girls Aloud are a manufactured group!

To Fenixx: Well, they may have 40+ original songs, but people, like myself, who do not (and would not) buy a Girls Aloud record only hear the singles they release, which makes them look worse.

I don't care what genre they're under... they're still crap I'm not into genres anyway... that just makes music boring.
They were picked from the Talent show PopStars "the rivals" for their singing ability and I guess the votes for their looks helped a bit.

Song writing and musical ability were not part of the show.

Pete Waterman selected the male singers, "one True voice" that didn't last long, Girls aloud were much better looking and had a catchy first single
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Old 26-01-2006, 19:24
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Originally Posted by anna42hmr
yes they are louis walsh's bands, and as for what they sing, i doubt the girls have a huge amount of control over what goes on the records, that is why A&R people exists at record companies. Many bands admit that there are songs that are on the albums/singles that they are not that keen on.
That's what I was getting at... Louis Walsh seems to love cover versions. I remember seeing an episode of the X-Facotr when he was in love with people singing cover songs.
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Old 26-01-2006, 19:49
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Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy
I just heard, erm "I don't need no good advice", some song by them and it was a clear rip off of "My Sharona". Also, that Sound of The Underground song reminds me of "Beat Goes On", by All Seeing I.
I fear you may have shot yourself in the foot with that last example. "The Beat Goes On" was performed by Buddy Rich, with his daughter on vocals. All Seeing I just sampled it.
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Old 26-01-2006, 19:52
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Originally Posted by luvsnail
I fear you may have shot yourself in the foot with that last example. "The Beat Goes On" was performed by Buddy Rich, with his daughter on vocals. All Seeing I just sampled it.
I don't like All Seeing I, I just though it sounded like that song... still, it's a rip
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Old 26-01-2006, 22:21
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I've never understood the snobbery about covers. Half the time the original artist no more was the creative force than the following one. And if people enjoy the new version well and good, if nobody plays or buys it what's does it matter.

Many of musics most successful singers couldn't write a hit song to save their lives and don't have to.
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Old 27-01-2006, 00:05
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Originally Posted by will1
I've never understood the snobbery about covers. Half the time the original artist no more was the creative force than the following one. And if people enjoy the new version well and good, if nobody plays or buys it what's does it matter.

Many of musics most successful singers couldn't write a hit song to save their lives and don't have to.
It's like remakes of films, or films made from a book. It just shows that people are scared to venture away from the norm, scared to progress onto something else. Music, like most films, is almost 98% about making money these days. This is why we're seeing so many people come and go. If someone doesn't make Simon Cowel et al at least £10k, they drop them, sing up someone who is almost the same, give them a song to cover and so on...

Girls Aloud will probably be gone soon, too.

There's just no creativity in getting an old song, adding some RnB-wannabe music to it and getting 5 pretty girls to mime it to an audience of 12 year olds.
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Old 27-01-2006, 07:41
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GA always sing live at their concerts. Most of their songs are original. They do good catchy pop. I like them.
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Old 27-01-2006, 09:42
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I think you havwe to be careful with generalisations here. Covers have always been around and always will be. The Beatles early career used covers - e.g. Twist and Shout, Money etc etc etc

I don't have an issue with covers if they add something to the original. Take "Tainted Love" as an example. The Soft Cell version is totaly different to the orginal (and to most is probably the "definitive" if not the original. But IMO the Marilyn Manson version added very little - just a heavier version of the soft cell arrngement.

I think a lot of it is age - I'm 43 and I do get cross sometimes when I hear a cover of a song I remember from my teenage years - especially if I hear kids raving about it and not knowint the original. But then I'd have been the same as a kid myself
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Old 27-01-2006, 10:26
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ga are manufactured we watched them being built
and with nothing but commercial songs on the radio
we listen to them aswell
but i think most people would agree that whats on radio doesnt reflect whats on the cd rack
pop fans display more iggnorance to other music types than is directed at them , for their choice of music
yet it is rock and indie that influences the dress sense and style of most pop stars
people like louis walsh realises that his fan base dont know what the other styles are playing or wearing so will stick someone onstage in skater gear or psuedo goth put a token drum kit and guitar on with them for credability
popular music = commercial music its a buisness first music secound
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Old 27-01-2006, 11:00
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Originally Posted by DanVitale
Covers are just that. Using someone elses song because a) you cant write anything good yourself and/or b) neither can those who write the songs for you.

Most of the tripe manufactured bands do this. Covers should be banned from the charts.
Beatles - Twist and Shout
Johnny Cash - Hurt, One
Jimi Hendrix - All Along the Watchtower
Pet Shop Boys - Always on my Mind
Stevie Wonder - We can work it out
Aretha Franklin - Respect


Hardly acts incapable of making good music off their own back, but all performing other people's songs. While covers can be lazy and badly done, to dismiss them all is folly.
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Old 27-01-2006, 12:15
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Somewhat true. Covers are only good when they actually add anything to the song. The Pet Shop Boys didnt add much to U2's Where The Streets Have No Name, in fact they pretty much destroyed it, so it is a case of swings and roundabouts. The less said for All Saints' Under The Bridge the better.

99% of covers that are released for the charts are usually done by untalented acts looking to cash in using someone elses song, and adding very little to the original.

I stand by what I said. Release of covers in the Charts should be banned. Maybe that will encourage the acts of today to write their own songs, and thus the standard of music shoud rise. Mind you the majority of acts like some mentioned in this thread cant sing let alone write songs. They rely on their looks to sell records, and once their physical gimmick dies, they split up. Same old story for music these days.
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Old 27-01-2006, 13:26
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What's that song when they are all on bikes in the video? I like that one and want to download it but I don't know what it is called.
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Old 27-01-2006, 13:26
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I agree with Dan, it's a matter of is the cover worth doing?

On the subject of Pet Shop Boys, they did an excellent cover of Elvis's You Are Always On My Mind which was totally different from the original, and very worthy.

I think Girls Aloud, Sugababes etc do very good covers (and songs that sound like covers). Push The Button for example sounds just like "Last Christmas" by Wham!, but I don't care
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Old 27-01-2006, 13:34
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Originally Posted by Grand Dizzy
Push The Button for example sounds just like "Last Christmas" by Wham!, but I don't care
Are you sure?
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Old 27-01-2006, 13:47
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voice of the underground always seemed familar
but cant think what it reminds me of
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Old 27-01-2006, 16:11
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
Beatles - Twist and Shout
Johnny Cash - Hurt, One
Jimi Hendrix - All Along the Watchtower
Pet Shop Boys - Always on my Mind
Stevie Wonder - We can work it out
Aretha Franklin - Respect


Hardly acts incapable of making good music off their own back, but all performing other people's songs. While covers can be lazy and badly done, to dismiss them all is folly.
there is a guy called Boo Heridean i think who is a song writter and member of a band called the bible now he has wrote songs for many people, and these songs have become hits. however he has just released a covers album featuring all his own compositions

now where does this fall into the argument?
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