The thing is, if he's so terrible, why is it that so many of the people living with him seem to like him? Only Jodie and Rula seem to have a problem with him and Jodie has a problem with everyone.

Its great to watch George Galloway spiralling into damage limitation as briefed by his advisors I would think. He will give both Pete and Rodman a wide berth mind,....didnt stop him before with SH and crew did it???
Petes single is due for release Monday. It was a very average 1 hit wonder when it first came out and I see no point in re-hashing it.

Pete is not entertaining. He is cruel, evil and extremely ugly. All the vile things he says about other people are projections of what he thinks about himself. He is an insecure, ugly man who wants to be a woman and who thinks he is far cleverer than the really is. He is certainly NOT a genius, what a proposterous assertion by Galloway!!!

That's all fair enough, and Pete has entertained me, sometimes, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing for him to win.

BB is a pantomime, the goodies, the baddies, the extras etc. And like all good pantomimes, the baddies don't win.

If Pete was to win, what sort of message does that send? That being like him means you are a winner?

He won't win - guaranteed. The public are far smarter than he is.

Agreed. I know it's an old chestnut, but some of the stuff that is churned out on prime time TV is potentially far more damaging than anything you're likely to see on this show. As far as I know nobody's been murdered, raped, abused (OK - verbally, perhaps ), caught taking smack etc etc etc on BB. Where do you draw the line...........?

I don't think your giving teenagers enough credit. My teens along with most of their friends, are voting for Chantelle, Preston or Traci. This is precisely because they don't like the behaviour of most of the other housemates, and they have come to this conclusion all on their own. If a teen goes on to emulate Petes bad behaviour as a result of watching BB then i would suggest that he\she was going to take that path anyway, regardless of BB. This program gives them a heightened snapshot of the real world and actually teaches them something in how to deal with it. From what i have seen, teens have the ability and intelligence to decide for themselves whats right and wrong. What would you have them watch.. Big Nanny?

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Have a heart - he can't help how he looks ..........

Couldn 't agree with you more.

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I would usually have agreed with that, but considering that he's spent a long time and a lot of money to look how he does...well?

Granted his lips were a mistake, but if he hadn't wanted to reinvent them originally....

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I was doing irony..........clearly misfired!

... perhaps people only find it acceptable whilst it is being directed at a target they personally find acceptable. When it is redirected towards a target they personally find unacceptable, then perhaps it also becomes unacceptable. Supporting it allows the dismantling of something. Doing it by proxy, so to speak, saves getting the piquant little dish of spite spilled on their own sweet selves and leaving a stain for the world and it's Grandma to see.

But it is just a thought. One of those thoughts that occurs to you at about 2.30 in the morning. Feel free to mock.

There is a difference here.

Soaps and dramas involve acting. Comments made to you do not affect you because it is acting. Its not real

Petes behaviour is real. His behaviour is meant to hurt peoples feelings and he is genuinely upsetting people in there.

When children see their parents supporting Pete and wanting him to win 'he's entertaining', 'that was funny'- what message do you think that gives them?

So may I ask exactly what it is you want to see on a typical Big Brother series?

Traci still likes Pete, she seems to be over it now.

Maybe you should consider doing the same?

Personally, I like to see the entertaining characters stay in the house until we get towards the end. Then I like to see the ones who add to the dynamic of the house but are deeply unpleasant get punished with evictions and boos.

HM's who are not entertaining but are just unpleasant, eg: Scary Mary or Leslie, should go asap.

Most of the time, I think the BB voters get it about right.

What I don't like seeing is people trying to pass off Pete's rudeness as wit or bullying as "telling it straight". And I certainly don't want to see Pete Burns get a talk show out of it (I think that's rubbish anyway).

For me, BB is a personality contest and I think the person who comes across as the most good and decent should win in the end.

What is entertaining for you?

Pete is entertaining for a lot of us, as you can see from his popularity.

I would like to say that if Pete wasn't in this Big Brother there probably wouldn't be a Celeb BB5.

Entertaining people are the ones who add to the dynamic of the house - the ones who make things happen. Whether that's because they start rows or have fun doesn't matter. I would Pete in the "entertaining" category, although I disagree with your second assertion - I think there were plenty of more entertaining people in the house, eg: GG, Jodi, Barrymore, Chantelle, Preston. I'm not saying I like all of them, but they added to the show. Pete's just a one-note bitch.

Like I say, I don't mind Pete lasting towards the end, but I hope he gets a boo to end all boos when he comes out of the house.

Two things.

If these young and impressionable people are so easily led, they're unlikely to differentiate between fiction and fact. It'll either affect them or it won't, whether it's Eastenders or BB. There seem to be plenty of grown adults around who think that Phil Mitchell et al are real, judging from the reactions in the street that these actors say they get, so why children should spot the difference I'm not sure.

Children are notoriously horrendously cruel to each other They'll probably be far less fazed and influenced by Pete's verbal torrents than the average grown-up. They're like it every day in the playground, and I'm not just talking about bullies! (And, yes, much as I like Pete, he IS a bit like an overgrown infant much of the time. )

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If Pete were like that in the outside world - and I've heard tell that he's a pretty tricky customer - then I'm sure he regularly gets back what he dishes out. In that house it's clearly a different story, presumably because everyone's taking very special care of their image.
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I think Pete will be as much as a drama queen on the outside as on the in, he reminds me of a gay guy who used to work in the same office. As anybody knows from watching The Office, workplaces can be bitchy places, with some workmates providing equally bitchy remarks and humourous comments. Now just think if the guy working in that situation is like Pete, not in looks but in temperment

Think there is a Lib Dem joke to be worked somewhere into that paragraph!!!!

Its his general behaviour i'm referring to here. If i were to get over his behaviour then thats saying i find it acceptable

I used to think he was pretty cool before CBB

I now think he is repulsive in just about every way possible
His behaviour is NOT acceptable as far as I am concerned

I love the way some of these posts have a gleeful viscousness that Pete at his is worst could only dream of............................

Soap operas/drama's etc are 'acted out' - not for real. The 'beginning' 'middle' and 'end' are scripted and the producers/directors know exactly what reation they are looking for.

So, bearing this in mind, would it be 'entertainment' if BB said the gloves are off, its a fight to the finish and the last one standing wins...literally?

If BB said is was ok for the housemates to bring there own supply of smack and if you fancy any of the girls that are in the house, it's ok if just have your way with them and if someone dies in the onslaught of any of this it doesn't matter because "it's reality t.v and entertaining"

If it's ok for Pete to verbally abuse his fellow housemates for the sack of the few small minded viewers, then surely those same viewers wouldn't see a problem with it going further.