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Old 27-01-2006, 22:27
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I expect you have seen in the tabloids that Paul Weller is adamant about not appearing with James Blunt at The Brits show! There are various reports on what he actually said about it but the gist was "over my dead body"!
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Old 27-01-2006, 22:48
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I'm sure he would have welcomed singing with Will Young, though.

Why do they want him to do a duet, anyway? He should be the star of the show, as he's getting the Lifetime Achievement Award (albeit only because McCartney turned it down). I think it's maybe because they wanted someone singing with him who was known in the US.

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Old 27-01-2006, 23:05
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Ahhh good old Macca!! An absolute legend! The finest living legend around!

Although to add, he can be annoying and suck up to americans too much....i mean, who here calls it the back yard?? I call it the garden....or the estate! His album should have been called Chaos and Creating in the Back Garden. sounds far better!
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Old 27-01-2006, 23:12
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Ahhh good old Macca!! An absolute legend! The finest living legend around!

Although to add, he can be annoying and suck up to americans too much....i mean, who here calls it the back yard?? I call it the garden....or the estate! His album should have been called Chaos and Creating in the Back Garden. sounds far better!



Creating? You been imbibing, BG?
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Old 27-01-2006, 23:17
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Originally Posted by SGE
Ahhh good old Macca!! An absolute legend! The finest living legend around!

Although to add, he can be annoying and suck up to americans too much....i mean, who here calls it the back yard?? I call it the garden....or the estate! His album should have been called Chaos and Creating in the Back Garden. sounds far better!



Creating? You been imbibing, BG?
No, and i resent such accusations of dirt! Well, just the one pint of Cobra. Now on the water because I want to have a healthy clear mind for the imminent Led Zep "Physical Graffiti" session.
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Old 27-01-2006, 23:24
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Originally Posted by BeatleGod
No, and i resent such accusations of dirt! Well, just the one pint of Cobra. Now on the water because I want to have a healthy clear mind for the imminent Led Zep "Physical Graffiti" session.

Is that a porn film?
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Old 28-01-2006, 07:01
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Yeah, I remember Paul McCartney stating one of the many reasons as stated in the artcile linked above that he doesn't want to appear at the Brits getting an Outstanding Contribution award as it would effectively have said that his career was over (a thought also shared by the likes of Elton John, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards who've also refused the award but this is possibly due to a. the Brits having been oriented to more youthful acts for the past 15 years and b. having been snubbed many times over the years).

McCartney's a sanctimoniously pompous prat but he'll be at the Grammys because he's up for a few awards (Album of the Year amongst other things).

The Brit Awards usually like to do stunt duets but Paul Weller and James Blunt? Eh....why?
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Old 28-01-2006, 07:39
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No SGE, I wouldn't want Will to sing with Paul. I want Will to sing on his own. But after three years of being ignored, I doubt he ever will be asked.
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Old 28-01-2006, 12:39
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Originally Posted by stereoman
The Brit Awards usually like to do stunt duets but Paul Weller and James Blunt? Eh....why?
God knows, the mind boggles with these awards. Here are three (not so) interesting facts that tell me everything I need to know about the Brit Awards:

1. Robbie Williams has won more awards than anyone else.

2. The Spice Girls have won an 'outstanding contribution' award.

3. Radiohead and PJ Harvey have never won one.

Hmmm.....
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Old 28-01-2006, 14:18
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The fact of the matter is the Brit awards are desperate to give the live time achievement award to Madonna. Year on year, according to rumours, they have asked Madonna if she would accept it, but she declines.

This is why the Brit awards have made some very strange choices when it comes down to that particular award.

I bet Cliff Richard is next.

P.s. Have they not gave one to David Bowie yet? If they haven't then that is a crime!
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Old 28-01-2006, 14:43
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Originally Posted by BeatleGod
i mean, who here calls it the back yard?? I call it the garden....or the estate!
"Back yard" is often used in parts of the north of England and parts of Ireland (and probably lots of other places too) when referring to a concreted area at the back of a house with no grass or plants (hence it's not a garden). They tend to be in less affluent areas - something like where Paul McCartney grew up. Hence it's use says more about his working class Liverpool upbringing than any yearning to appeal to Americans.

As for Paul Weller - he has written some great songs in his time (practically every Jam single was a classic) and also some dire tripe (most of Style Council's output). Unfortunately he's a curmudgeonly old git whose constantly spikey personality tends to make him unlikeable.

If I was either James Blunt or Will Young they couldn't pay me enough money to perform on stage with such a grumpy old grouch. He's like Victor Meldrew with a guitar
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Old 28-01-2006, 17:05
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Originally Posted by Smudged
God knows, the mind boggles with these awards. Here are three (not so) interesting facts that tell me everything I need to know about the Brit Awards:

1. Robbie Williams has won more awards than anyone else.

2. The Spice Girls have won an 'outstanding contribution' award.

3. Radiohead and PJ Harvey have never won one.

Hmmm.....

To be fair to the Brits, they do tend to reward the more 'popular/mainstream' end of the musical spectrum and with the best will in the World P J Harvey has never been/will never be a mainstream success. It could also be argued that Radiohead are not also a mainstream band in the true sense of the word. They are more suited to the Mercury Prize (in fact I believe Harvey is a past winner and her career since seems to have followed the normal Mercury winner's path of under-achievement - it's a bit of a curse IMO.)
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Old 28-01-2006, 17:18
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Be careful, Mr Weller, especially if Blunty has a Brit award in his hand when you meet
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Old 28-01-2006, 20:14
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To be fair to the Brits, they do tend to reward the more 'popular/mainstream' end of the musical spectrum and with the best will in the World P J Harvey has never been/will never be a mainstream success. It could also be argued that Radiohead are not also a mainstream band in the true sense of the word. They are more suited to the Mercury Prize (in fact I believe Harvey is a past winner and her career since seems to have followed the normal Mercury winner's path of under-achievement - it's a bit of a curse IMO.)
PJ Harvey an under-achiever!!!!

That really is a ridiculous thing to say. SGE, you really need to get a grip on your obsession with record sales. One you obviously share with the Brits' panel. The fact that Mercury winners aren't people like bloody Robbie Williams - or indeed, even very successful bands like Radiohead, who don't need industry gongs - is very much to the credit of the Mercury Prize.

What are you going to do if the Arctic Monkeys never have another top-selling album? Call them failures and under-achievers?
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Old 28-01-2006, 20:17
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Originally Posted by SGE
To be fair to the Brits, they do tend to reward the more 'popular/mainstream' end of the musical spectrum and with the best will in the World P J Harvey has never been/will never be a mainstream success. It could also be argued that Radiohead are not also a mainstream band in the true sense of the word....
Yep, that was my point. Let's not be fair to them....they're supposed to be rewarding the 'best'.
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Old 28-01-2006, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Ruby_
PJ Harvey an under-achiever!!!!

That really is a ridiculous thing to say. SGE, you really need to get a grip on your obsession with record sales. One you obviously share with the Brits' panel. The fact that Mercury winners aren't people like bloody Robbie Williams - or indeed, even very successful bands like Radiohead, who don't need industry gongs - is very much to the credit of the Mercury Prize.

What are you going to do if the Arctic Monkeys never have another top-selling album? Call them failures and under-achievers?

Depends on how poor the sales were. If they were at Alex Parks levels then clearly yes! It doesn't mean I won't still like them, though. But at least they would have had one mega selling album, unlike a lot of under-achievers. They are in the record INDUSTRY, Ruby. It's all very well having this lovely notion that the artist is there purely to create art for the enjoyment of a few people like yourself, but the bottom line is they WORK for a record COMPANY which has to make a PROFIT to survive. If the artists they sign SELL NO RECORDS the record company don't make a profit, so they DROP the non-performing artist and try and find one who will SELL MORE. This is going to happen to one of your favourite artists very shortly, I'm afraid. Her name is Alex Parks. You may think she is the best thing since sliced bread but your ten pounds is the same as everyone else's even though you believe your views on music sre above most other people's, which I find incredibly condescending. Having the undying support of a few 'music experts' is not going to pay her mortgage, is it?
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Old 28-01-2006, 21:08
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Alex Parks may or may not be dropped by Polydor soon. However I predict that she isn't, and that she releases a third album with them.

Another prediction I'll make even more confidently is that when Alex is eventually dropped by Polydor, she'll sign with an independent label, and enjoy a long career with a loyal and ever-growing fan base.

There you go, two verifiable predictions. I look forward to seeing you eat humble pie.

Incidentally I have never said she's the best thing since sliced bread. I've said she's my favourite artist, which is entirely personal and subjective. Although I think she's phenomenally talented, I don't place Alex above the dozens of other artists that I also like and admire. I may be condescending towards chart fans (NOTE: not "most other people"), but at least I have broad tastes and don't adopt a position of ridiculous favouritism.

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Old 28-01-2006, 21:42
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Originally Posted by Ruby_
Alex Parks may or may not be dropped by Polydor soon. However I predict that she isn't, and that she releases a third album with them.

Another prediction I'll make even more confidently is that when she is eventually dropped by Polydor, she'll sign with an independent label, and enjoy a long career with a loyal and ever-growing fan base.

There you go, two verifiable predictions. I look forward to seeing you eat humble pie.

Incidentally I have never said she's the best thing since sliced bread. I've said she's my favourite artist, which is entirely personal and subjective. Although I think she's phenomenally talented, I don't place Alex above the dozens of other artists that I also like and admire. I may be condescending towards chart fans (NOTE: not "most other people"), but at least I have broad tastes and don't adopt a position of ridiculous favouritism.

Alex Parks will be 'flipping burgers' (a euphimism for being out of the music industry, btw) in 12 months, Ruby (the single had sold a princely total of 400 up to Wednesday evening), but I wouldn't be so childish as to expect you to eat humble pie if MY prediction comes true.

Musically, we have one thing in common, our appreciation of Arctic Monkeys (a band you discovered way too late to give you any real credibility as a self-styled musical 'expert'), I reckon in most other views we really wouldn't get on at all, tbh. Best we leave it there, methinks.
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Old 28-01-2006, 21:47
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LOL Why all the personal observations? It's a music forum and we're only discussing music. For what it's worth, I've never imagined we had anything at all in common except liking a few artists.

And I've never called myself a music 'expert' either. WTF is your problem? And why do you think I care about whether you think I'm 'credible'?

Quite aside from that, do you really imagine that all the music 'experts' in the world follow all teenage bands before they get some media exposure?

BTW You are mistaken to imagine that Alex hasn't been profitable for Polydor. Have you actually looked at their stable of artists? Do you imagine that Eels' albums always sell at the level of Robbie Williams?
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Old 28-01-2006, 23:34
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This forum seems to be chock-full of folk who imagine that the only artists in the world with record contracts are people who top the pop singles chart.

To all the aforesaid people: do any of you ever visit record stores? Or even take a glance at the album charts?
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Old 29-01-2006, 06:14
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I think it's the same on all forums Ruby. You have to sort out the chaff from the wheat.
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Old 29-01-2006, 11:00
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Thanks June. You're clearly right.

I can just never quite get over the outrage of seeing some wonderful artist put down and dismissed purely because their latest release may not be a current top seller.

I've got five of PJ Harvey's albums, so you could say she matters to me. She's the heir to Patti Smith's throne, and she's never released a less than brilliant album. She does however keep on trying new things and confounding everyone's expectations, so she keeps losing chunks of her fan base - and attracting stupid, virulent remarks for it - but then she keeps on acquiring new admirers as well. In other words, she creates art without an eye on what's commercial, and she survives magnificently as an artist.

PJ Harvey's 'under-achievement' since winning the Mercury Prize consists of not having stood still for a minute. She toured extensively around the world in support of 'Stories...', and then collaborated with four other artists, appearing on all of their albums - including more than half of Queens of the Stone Age's hit album 'Desert Sessions'. Then she did the V Festival, then she released 'Uh Huh Her', another stunning album of her own, then toured in Europe as well as appearing at Glastonbury, T in the Park, the Montreux Jazz Festival and other festivals. And then she did a solo tour of the States!!!

And this is 'under-achievement' - presumably because she isn't number one in the singles chart, or putting out a new solo album every year. What utter absurdity. To put it politely.

What DS needs is an Accountants forum where all the chart accountants can go and quote their wretched sales figures at each other, and leave the Music forum for people who actually care about music.

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Old 29-01-2006, 12:47
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Originally Posted by June
I expect you have seen in the tabloids that Paul Weller is adamant about not appearing with James Blunt at The Brits show! There are various reports on what he actually said about it but the gist was "over my dead body"!
And getting this thread back on track.... how outrageous was this suggestion? Expecting Paul Weller to perform with a laughing stock like James Blunt.

According to the reports I read, Weller's actual comment was "I would rather eat my own sh*t than perform with Blunt" - which is entirely understandable.

Some of these industry types are so clueless it's just not true. Unless they were TRYING to elicit a quotable quote for the publicity value, which would be plausible.
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Old 29-01-2006, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Ruby_
And getting this thread back on track.... how outrageous was this suggestion? Expecting Paul Weller to perform with a laughing stock like James Blunt.
Some clueless suit presumably thought that lining Blunt up with Weller would convince people that Blunt isn't just for soppy girls. Sadly for them Weller wasn't playing ball.

It's this sort of coke-addled marketing crap that will kill the music industry and the sooner it breathes it's last the better, I say.
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Old 29-01-2006, 13:26
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Some clueless suit presumably thought that lining Blunt up with Weller would convince people that Blunt isn't just for soppy girls. Sadly for them Weller wasn't playing ball.

It's this sort of coke-addled marketing crap that will kill the music industry and the sooner it breathes it's last the better, I say.
Yes ok, that makes sense.

I agree with you about the music industry. It's deeply sick and twisted. It's not just redundant as a marketing and distribution mechanism, it's become fundamentally antagonistic to both artists and music fans, and damaging to music as an art form. It needs to die.
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