Only half way through The Unearthly Child at the moment. Just wondered if anyone could tell me why the boxed set is certificate 12? It states there is one use of strong language. What's this then?
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Originally Posted by Cornish Andy:
“Only half way through The Unearthly Child at the moment. Just wondered if anyone could tell me why the boxed set is certificate 12? It states there is one use of strong language. What's this then?”
“Only half way through The Unearthly Child at the moment. Just wondered if anyone could tell me why the boxed set is certificate 12? It states there is one use of strong language. What's this then?”
It's a beeped out word on one of the comedy sketches that the BBFC mistook for f*** and the BBC couldn't afford to resubmit it for recertificate.
The printing factory's messed up the certificates though - the 12 is on the Daleks disc and sleeve even though it's an extra on an Unearthly Child that has the special feature which has the word making it a 12 - instead this has the U certificate!
Originally Posted by Vonbloodbath:
“I see it's out on DVD so I just might do so...
OK, so my random theorising about Regenerations came from reading thorugh this "the Legend Continues" book...
There are, as we know, lots of little continuity SNAFU's throughout the various seasons. Not the end of the world, but there are little things that one Dr. will say that don't quite gel with what a preceding or subsequent Dr. will say...
In addition, new Dr's often do more than change their characteristics...they don't know exactly who or what they are, and sometimes don't know who or what they were. (e.g. Troughton's "The Doctor kept a diary, didn't he?")
Added to lines such as "That's the problem with regeneration, you never know what you're going to get" and various other quotations (that elude me at this late hour...
) I thought that there may be more to regeneration than simply changing all of his cells at once.
What if each of a Timelord's regenerations is, in fact, an alternative version of the timelord? A "what if", a different possible timelord who becomes actualised by the process of regeneration.
I thought this is (tenuously) borne out by the Pertwee-era story Inferno; on the alternative earth there are alternative versions of the Doctor's companions; Section Leader Shaw and the Brigade Leader. But no alternative Doctor...so what if the real power of the Time Lords is that they exist not only out of time, but out of possible time. I.e. they can't be wiped out/changed by changes to the timeline.
This seems to me like a reasonable precaution for a race of time travellers to take.
If this is the case, then perhaps they can tap into their own possible "alternities", and that's what they become when they regenerate. That would handily explain away a lot of little continuity issues; for instance if Doctor X says he did something, but Doctor Y says he didn't, that would be one of the differences between these possible, alternative doctors. Of course, how that would gel with the memories of other people, and other timelords, is another matter altogether.
It's just a crack-pot theory, with very little evidence for (and probably lots of evidence against) but I like it.
VB
PS - also, I'm very tired, so probably haven't articulated this as well as I should have...”
“I see it's out on DVD so I just might do so...
OK, so my random theorising about Regenerations came from reading thorugh this "the Legend Continues" book...
There are, as we know, lots of little continuity SNAFU's throughout the various seasons. Not the end of the world, but there are little things that one Dr. will say that don't quite gel with what a preceding or subsequent Dr. will say...
In addition, new Dr's often do more than change their characteristics...they don't know exactly who or what they are, and sometimes don't know who or what they were. (e.g. Troughton's "The Doctor kept a diary, didn't he?")
Added to lines such as "That's the problem with regeneration, you never know what you're going to get" and various other quotations (that elude me at this late hour...
) I thought that there may be more to regeneration than simply changing all of his cells at once.What if each of a Timelord's regenerations is, in fact, an alternative version of the timelord? A "what if", a different possible timelord who becomes actualised by the process of regeneration.
I thought this is (tenuously) borne out by the Pertwee-era story Inferno; on the alternative earth there are alternative versions of the Doctor's companions; Section Leader Shaw and the Brigade Leader. But no alternative Doctor...so what if the real power of the Time Lords is that they exist not only out of time, but out of possible time. I.e. they can't be wiped out/changed by changes to the timeline.
This seems to me like a reasonable precaution for a race of time travellers to take.
If this is the case, then perhaps they can tap into their own possible "alternities", and that's what they become when they regenerate. That would handily explain away a lot of little continuity issues; for instance if Doctor X says he did something, but Doctor Y says he didn't, that would be one of the differences between these possible, alternative doctors. Of course, how that would gel with the memories of other people, and other timelords, is another matter altogether.
It's just a crack-pot theory, with very little evidence for (and probably lots of evidence against) but I like it.
VB
PS - also, I'm very tired, so probably haven't articulated this as well as I should have...”
I think I understand the theory you're trying to convey and you'll be comforted to know that it actually has a grounding in theoretical quantum physics. The well known bit of the theory (and the bit I can explain) is that for every decision we make the universe divides itself into numerous different universes where every possible outcome plays out. Theoretically a time traveller would not simply journey back to an earlier point in their own universe but instead create a brand new universe (the original remains unaltered and life continues after the time traveller departs) where their actions decide the future. Numerous shows demonstrated this. Farscape's continuing wormhole mythology brought alternate universes into the mix at exactly the same time as time travel (ignoring ...Different Destinations) and established wormholes as a means of travel not just through space but through time and dimensions (similar to the time tunnel effects Doctor Who uses). Similarly Stargate has used the idea of alternate realities since its first season and linked them to time travel through both that Atlantis episode where they find a frozen Weir (can't be bothered to look the title up) and the events of Moebius which basically impact upon three realities. They've even bothered to maintain a sense of continuity with these theories with last week's episode with multiple SG-1s citing the season one episode. Of course you have to ignore the 1969 episode in this which follows the Babylon 5 model of suggesting that if you travel through time you already have and rather than changing anything you just do what you did again with the same result. Of course that's better than Star Trek that just picks and chooses parts of its lore (there was an episode of The Next Generation where Worf goes to lots of alternate realities but there's also the mirror universe which may or may not just be one of those realities or could possibly have it's own alternate versions where different outcomes play out).
So where did I begin again?
*BOOM!*OK, now I've scraped my brain back into my skull...exactly.
So the Time Lords, presumably, have some kind of protection against these different realities. Or maybe they don't, per se, and that's why, for the most part, they don't go galavanting through time like the Doctor.So...when a time lord regenerates, he/she becomes what they would/could have been in another one of these realities (trouser-legs of time, to use a Pratchett-ism - or is it a Rankin-ism?
).VB
I've seen 'An Unearthly Child' and 'The Edge of Destruction' - i haven't seen 'The Daleks' 
- maybe I'll get this boxset i dont know
- maybe I'll get this boxset i dont know
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“I've seen 'An Unearthly Child' and 'The Edge of Destruction' - i haven't seen 'The Daleks' - maybe I'll get this boxset i dont know”
“I've seen 'An Unearthly Child' and 'The Edge of Destruction' - i haven't seen 'The Daleks'
- maybe I'll get this boxset i dont know”
It's 17.99 on play, mate. The extras are worth that, never mind the daleks.
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Originally Posted by performingmonk:
“For me the Troughton stories that I've seen are far better than the Hartnell era. Tomb of the Cybermen and The Mind Robber are two of my favourite ever Who's. Dalek Invasion of Earth did nothing for me, despite it being a 'classic'. The one I've not seen is the original Daleks story, so I'll be checking that out on DVD.”
“For me the Troughton stories that I've seen are far better than the Hartnell era. Tomb of the Cybermen and The Mind Robber are two of my favourite ever Who's. Dalek Invasion of Earth did nothing for me, despite it being a 'classic'. The one I've not seen is the original Daleks story, so I'll be checking that out on DVD.”
It'll always be said that the BBC did themselves and future generations no favours by the short sightedness they displayed during the sixties and early seventies in their treatment of the wiped episodes.
If the photonovels on the BBC Web pages are anything to go by, some very good stories have been lost visually, albiet available from the audio recordings of resourceful fans, devoid of video/dvd recorders that we take for granted today.
Viewing the stories listed so far has certainly stirred the old memory cells.
I've bought the 'Beginning' DVD's also, to replace my videos, having avoided most of the Hartnell era everytime I caught a hint of the theme music.
I succumbed to fandom during the first season of Troughton episodes, victims of the obsessive wipers of the time - My first DVD purchase of Doctor Who was 'Tomb Of The Cybermen'.
In all the DVD's I enjoy accessing the prodution notes. I was very suprised at one point of 'The Daleks' when they give you trivia on the actor who plays the Thal, Alodyn - John Lee. They list his various acting credits, but don't mention his appearances in Aussie soaps like 'Prisoner - Cell block H' and 'Neighbours'.
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