I just know some will disagree with me just for the sake of disagreeing but the word Celebrity seems to have some people up in arms

first off I'm not a Chantelle fan or anyone's fan, I didn't even vote so that shows you how much I think about who won

I think the problem lies with the actual meanings of the words celebrity and being famous. One description in online dictionaries about being a celebrity is that you are famous. After checking the same diaries for the description of being famous it says 'being widely known' . Now all the HM's in the house would have been widely known by the public in general and this is not just a UK thing.

for me personally I'd probably say the likes of Preston would have originally been one of the least known as even Maggot's group Goldie Lookin Chain have been in the music charts often. I did a Google search and the likes of Preston and Maggot returned very few results (less than 25,000 or something), whereas the likes of Barrymore, Galloway & Rodman were in the millions

anyway to save people looking here are some links

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/celebrity
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/celebrity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/celebrity

Saying that even Joe who lives is my street who won the local pub tournament could be considered as a celebrity and is famous . The problem is that from Joe right up to whoever can be a celebrity and famous.

but is anyone here brave enough to deny that Dennis Rodman isn't a Superstar in the same sense as David Beckham? Joe isn't a superstar at pool though now is he?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/superstar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstar
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/superstar

can you see what I mean as simply changing the word Celebrity to Superstar puts a whole new twist on things doesn't it?

There is no way the likes of Fariah, Jodie, Rula etc can be considered as superstars but those who think Rodman isn't even a celebrity just because he isn't widely known in the UK should accept that generally worldwide he is and he's actually a superstar in his field

the likes of Michael Barrymore may seem be a lot more famous and a bigger celebrity to most in the UK being the place were he made his name. Saying that the main reason why he was in the news for a certain death is mainly the reason that has got him fame outside of the UK and not his ability as a performer. It's not the fact he did shows like Strike It Lucky, Kids Say The Funniest Things etc and unless those shows are shown in other countries which I'm unsure about. I very much doubt people outside the UK think of him in the same way as the GBP do. Can anyone name a famous celebrity from France, Germany, Spain etc who is in the same nature as Barrymore? I bet a lot more people in other countries know who Dennis Rodman is and why he is famous unlike someone who was in the news for something that happened at his house

so even now Chantelle should be considered as a Celebrity and is Famous if you go by the meanings of the words but she certainly isn't a Superstar
Last edited by Criztiano : 28-01-2006 at 19:00

The above post is Excellent well said,

thanks, I could have said it in different ways but my basic point is that the word celebrity means different things to people, especially in this forum, and this is what causes a lot of disagreements

there's probably better words to use rather than Superstar to show just how 'big' a certain person really is. The word celebrity isn't one of them seeing as even Joe can be considered as a celebrity right up to the most famous celebrity in the world whoever that is (funnily enough I can't even think of an example )

I suppose that why they have A, B, C lists etc

Good post Criztiano though it rather misses the point at the heart of the Chantelle celebrity debate.

She became a celebrity as soon as we saw her, it is true. But this is just an academic point.

The real point is that she was not perceived as such by the voting public. She was the non-celebrity according to the marketed image and thus, arguably, was afforded an unfair advantage over all the others because of the natural sympathy that she consequently attracted.

I agree Zeus, she was a non-celebrity originally and Barrymore has won BB by default in my eyes if anyone wishes to get technical about the origins of the program

I don't think it was all votes of natural sympathy though but rather the fact some were actually genuine. Add that to the fact that most of the celebrities were a let down can you put the finger of blame on Chantelle of Endemol?. You can't blame the bad behaviour of the HM's giving the voters a smaller choice of who they would vote for now though can you?

if Chantelle had acted in the same way a Barrymore, Galloway, Pete or even Rodman she wouldn't have even survived one eviction, never mind win the thing so she must have done something right

Your exactly right that word celeb causes the argument's which to someone like CHANTELLE is so unfair because she has earned her moment and took it,

and it's the Celeb's fault they didn't Win they behaved very badly although made Great telly best EVER in my opinion i went to bed laughing most night's Fantastic i just think CHANTELLE was given unfair treatment on these Big Brother forums.

Excellent post Criztiano - I have to agree pretty much with everything you said.

Your hitting all the nail's on the head so to speak,

if CHANTELLE had of stepped out of line she would have gone as you say but people admired the way she stood up to a vile bully obviously used to getting his way due to his enormous wealth and fame, for rebounds apparently i was informed on another thread.

I agree about Chantelle, but the matter is far from conclusive.

If the final result was actually scripted twelve months ago in a Borehamwood office, then you can certainly lay the finger of blame on Endemol.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that the accusation is true. The objective would be to manipulate the audience in order to effect the desired outcome. It was a powerplay, the payoff being the achievement of a memorable outcome which would further cement the legendary status of the Big Brother franchise.

They had obstacles to overcome, such as having to validate the whole process, but they were also helped by the natural audience empathy with the plight of the underdog. Most crucially, Endemol controlled the timetable, the environment, the agenda, and the editing, and the accusation is that they used this to ensure that the script went according to plan.

Of course you're absolutely right about chantelle, she had to be the right kind of personality and have the right kind of temperament, but this is why she was selected. She certainly didn't let them down.

Chantelle earned her right to win. As Barrymore said as he saw her on the screen, 'that is what a celeb should behave' He felt that Chantelle had behaved so well bless him.

Let it go,

fair play she Won Good Luck to CHANTELLE.