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Old 06-02-2006, 13:29
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Phil Schofield said on ITV This Morning that John was not in the bottom 2 as the phone lines were closed ! I could not believe he said this for 2 reasons : a) surely this rubs salt into John's wounds and b) the amount of annoyed posters on the subject will surely triple after this !!

Apparently, as the producers informed Phil through his ear piece, the screen telling them who was in the bottom 2 changed the same second as the words "the phone lines are now closed" were said !

Did anyone else hear him say this ? What do you all think this means ? Surely this could be a way to reinstate John at the very least (don't know who would have to go instead though) !
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Old 06-02-2006, 13:31
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That makes me angry.

SCD have the right idea. They close the lines, then kill time for a couple of minutes while they count and verify the votes.

KELLY SHOULD HAVE GONE!!!!
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Old 06-02-2006, 13:49
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Originally Posted by miaviv
Phil Schofield said on ITV This Morning that John was not in the bottom 2 as the phone lines were closed ! I could not believe he said this for 2 reasons : a) surely this rubs salt into John's wounds and b) the amount of annoyed posters on the subject will surely triple after this !!

Apparently, as the producers informed Phil through his ear piece, the screen telling them who was in the bottom 2 changed the same second as the words "the phone lines are now closed" were said !

Did anyone else hear him say this ? What do you all think this means ? Surely this could be a way to reinstate John at the very least (don't know who would have to go instead though) !
Dear me and to think we are supposed to believe that ITV actually know what they're doing. To think human error ruined the experience for a great number of people. ITV give Simon Cowell or BBC a call, I'm sure they can show you how to set it up properly.
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Old 06-02-2006, 14:40
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I cant belive that if they had kept the lines open one minute more jhon would have stayed
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:11
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If they had closd one minute earlier, John would still be there!! I onl wished I had voted because my vote could have been one of the couple that saved John!! Arghhhhhh I wasn't in so I recorded it arghhhhhhhh
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:28
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Originally Posted by blondekat
If they had closd one minute earlier, John would still be there!! I onl wished I had voted because my vote could have been one of the couple that saved John!! Arghhhhhh I wasn't in so I recorded it arghhhhhhhh
I could be wrong but I am sure that I read on one of the threads that FMs had tried to vote for John but the lines were constantly engaged,
So the chances are if this is the case that you may not have got through anyway
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:30
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I think I'm more annoyed with Robin Cousins, he had the deciding vote and rather than give the superior skater, overall, his vote, he gave it to Stefan

As an experienced skater himself, surely it would make sense to vote for the consistent and the one with the most potential to improve in.

Also from a viewing perspective, are they nuts!!! Surely even the judges knew how popular John & Olga were with the public. How someone with Robin Cousins experience not see with his own eyes the entertainment value of the superior amateur skater.
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:31
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Okay, I'm confused Did he basically mean that John was in the bottom 2 until the last second, when it changed?
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:33
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Originally Posted by polish1
I think I'm more annoyed with Robin Cousins, he had the deciding vote and rather than give the superior skater, overall, his vote, he gave it to Stefan

As an experienced skater himself, surely it would make sense to vote for the consistent and the one with the most potential to improve in.

Also from a viewing perspective, are they nuts!!! Surely even the judges knew how popular John & Olga were with the public. How someone with Robin Cousins experience not see with his own eyes the entertainment value of the superior amateur skater.
I agree Robin should have voted for him
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:36
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Originally Posted by polish1
I think I'm more annoyed with Robin Cousins, he had the deciding vote and rather than give the superior skater, overall, his vote, he gave it to Stefan

As an experienced skater himself, surely it would make sense to vote for the consistent and the one with the most potential to improve in.

Also from a viewing perspective, are they nuts!!! Surely even the judges knew how popular John & Olga were with the public. How someone with Robin Cousins experience not see with his own eyes the entertainment value of the superior amateur skater.

Not Robin's fault at all, they have a rule that they MUST decide based ENTIRELY on the skate-off - eveything else is irrelevant. And in the skate-off, John/Stefan were about equal, but Stefan looked less nervous.

We know it's a stupid rule, but that's not the judges fault.
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:42
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I watched this morning although Philip said exactly what is above he was explaining how near it was between john and the 3rd bottom couple it wasnt that there was a mistake just that the 3rd couple got more votes in the remainin few minutes.

cousins marked John to be 2nd on his first skate and stefan 4th yet he switched it on the second dance when john asked him why he didnt explain it just sprouting stuff that dint explain it at all Im glad john made him squirm
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:44
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last week the judges said when delivering their verdicts in the skate off that they were marking the potetially better skater - if one rule applies one week it should the next and john had far more potential than stefan although sean and kelly (anyone see her daily star articles) should have been bottom two
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:44
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It's really no good bleating on about this, the simple fact is that John did not get the public support via voting that he needed, thus he went into a skate off and came out worse due to a) a shoddier routine and b) some slight mistakes on his footwork, mistakes that Stefan didn't do.

Regardless of what was said on This Morning, and yes I did watch it, the only people that are safe are the ones with the most votes, instead of complaining try voting for your favourite! The fact that someone who was in the bottom two got more votes in the dying seconds is irrelevant, he must have been damn close to the bottom anyway.
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:45
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Originally Posted by bendymixer
I watched this morning although Philip said exactly what is above he was explaining how near it was between john and the 3rd bottom couple it wasnt that there was a mistake just that the 3rd couple got more votes in the remainin few minutes.

cousins marked John to be 2nd on his first skate and stefan 4th yet he switched it on the second dance when john asked him why he didnt explain it just sprouting stuff that dint explain it at all Im glad john made him squirm
He didn't squirm, he just stated and quite rightly that stefans footwork was better than Johns on the skate off, and it was...
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:49
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Originally Posted by Anita_Blake
He didn't squirm, he just stated and quite rightly that stefans footwork was better than Johns on the skate off, and it was...
You mean the same Robin Cousins who last week when saving Stefan said that eventhough Andrea performed better than Stefan in the skate-off. He had to vote on potential and past performance?
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Old 06-02-2006, 15:53
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Originally Posted by Selena
You mean the same Robin Cousins who last week when saving Stefan said that eventhough Andrea performed better than Stefan in the skate-off. He had to vote on potential and past performance?
Well this week then he was at least following the rule that has been set.

Is there any word on who was supposedly in the bottom 2 at the last minute? With the X-Factor etc you could actually find out the order of the phone vote a day or two later.

I'm guessing Bonnie has come out on top each week if John was bottom 2/3 this time, even though it was his worst performance yet.
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Old 06-02-2006, 16:08
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Is there any word on who was supposedly in the bottom 2 at the last minute? With the X-Factor etc you could actually find out the order of the phone vote a day or two later.
How do you normally find out? I have emailed ITV to ask for a vote breakdown for each contestant. Don't know if I will get it though.
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Old 06-02-2006, 16:14
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Originally Posted by evilfish
How do you normally find out? I have emailed ITV to ask for a vote breakdown for each contestant. Don't know if I will get it though.
Well only through people posting it on forums But the same order was always posted at whatever forum I looked at, so I always assumed they were accurate...they must have had the same source, but I don't know what that source is.
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Old 06-02-2006, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Selena
You mean the same Robin Cousins who last week when saving Stefan said that eventhough Andrea performed better than Stefan in the skate-off. He had to vote on potential and past performance?
Robin said that they were all given instructions on how to vote this week, that it must be considered a clean slate and that the only thing they are voting on was that particular dance. It could well be that he was told not to vote on past performances after his comment the week before, not that I heard him say anythign about previous performances anyway...
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Old 06-02-2006, 16:35
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Originally Posted by Anita_Blake
Robin said that they were all given instructions on how to vote this week, that it must be considered a clean slate and that the only thing they are voting on was that particular dance. It could well be that he was told not to vote on past performances after his comment the week before, not that I heard him say anythign about previous performances anyway...

I'll hold him and the other judges to this in the coming weeks until the finals.

I'm hoping there'll be a time when surprise surprise Bonnie and Kelly get in the bottom 2 and Bonnie tumbles, trips, falls on her arse or simply made mistake while Holmes never once.....wonder who the judges (Robin in particular) would save????
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Old 06-02-2006, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Not Robin's fault at all, they have a rule that they MUST decide based ENTIRELY on the skate-off - eveything else is irrelevant. And in the skate-off, John/Stefan were about equal, but Stefan looked less nervous.

We know it's a stupid rule, but that's not the judges fault.
It's not a rule that can't be easily broken. Who's to know that any of the judges actually judge on the final skate-off and not their particular favourite or those they believe have a better chance of improvement.

Having said that, maybe he just happens to be a stickler for rules.
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Old 06-02-2006, 16:41
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As Chris said on "Defrosted"...it's not the first time there's been a controversial judges' decision in skating!
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Old 06-02-2006, 16:49
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Originally Posted by andallthatjazz
I'm hoping there'll be a time when surprise surprise Bonnie and Kelly get in the bottom 2 and Bonnie tumbles, trips, falls on her arse or simply made mistake while Holmes never once.....wonder who the judges (Robin in particular) would save????
Well since Kelly's routine on Saturday was shoddy throughout, and John the week before proved that even a big fall can still result in the best marks due to the performance overall being excellent, then I'd guess Bonnie for simply having the best overall routine. Would take a miracle for Kelly to be better than Bonnie, falls or not.
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Old 06-02-2006, 17:28
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Other than being the one on This Morning - I'm not sure why Robin is getting all the heat for this. 2 other judges (Nicky & Kres) voted for Stefan also. It's also been made clear that they vote at the same time. There is no deciding vote.

What I do have a problem with as someone already mentioned is how one week they saved the better skater, but this week they saved the better performer on the night. Did the criteria change in 7 days?

Either way it's a travesty that John was even in the bottom two to allow this situation to happen, but results like this do nothing for the show and just re-affirm people's opinion that Figure Skating is bent, which is what we are working towards eliminating.

*sigh*
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Old 06-02-2006, 17:36
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[quote=miaviv]Phil Schofield said on ITV This Morning that John was not in the bottom 2 as the phone lines were closed !




I am sorry but you have got it all wrong. He didn't say that at all.

He said that there was a big change less than a minute before the line closed. John wasn't in the bottom two, but became in the bottom two in that last fraction of a minute just before they closed the lines.

Big difference.!
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