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TU-CTH100 v0.57 - Important OAD 08-11 Feb 2006 - the new thread! |
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Signal Problems
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Originally Posted by Grannygrunt
getman, what is your aerial set up?? Do you get a good signal? The panny does amplify the signal on Live 2 so that there is no degration (I think that's the word) because of two tuners sharing the signal. Does this happen on certain channels, and if so which?? What does the Panny say, 'no signal' or ' no service'? And what is the state of the signal quality if you go into check in the tuning menu???
Sorry about all of these questions, but it does help us posters to help you. GG |
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Originally Posted by lewisnt
Excuse my ignorance, what is this issue? I happened to watch a Dave Allen recording last night, and all was fine. He was displayed in correctly proportioned 4:3 with borders down the side.
Only the beeb seem to do it this way, others transmit a "propper" 4:3 picture, but all my other boxes are able to determine the correct aspect, so the Pana is definately at fault. |
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Getman Mux 2
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Originally Posted by getman
Grannygrunt. Thank you for your reply. To answer your questions, my aerial is about 10 years old pointing at Crystal Palace feeding a Labgear 4 way distribution amplifier. I consider it to be a good signal, Chan 5 has always been good! The PVR is the first piece of equipment in the chain (PVR →VCR→TV). Last evening the problem was affecting ITV 1,2,3 &4, More 4, E 4 and Quiz Call, all the rest seemed OK although at other times BBC1 & BBC2 have been affected. The info bar varies the display between ‘no signal’, ‘bad signal’ and ‘no service’. When on ITV 1 on Live 1 the signal quality was jumping between 5 & 8, I then went to ITV 1 on Live 2 to check the signal quality and found a similar result, jumping between 5 & 8, but the picture was stable. One other observation last night was the analogue signal when viewed direct on the TV now appears to be nosier than before the update, worse on ITV than BBC. GET.
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Found a bug which it hasn't fixed. Recordings not showing up in the direct navigator while they are recording. Had set the 6 nations and Morse to record earlier to test out recording two programmes at once. The 6 nations showed in the navigator while recording while Morse did not, only appearing after it had finished recording. On the upside tested out playing back something previously recorded while these programmes were recorded and no problems at all, even when FF/RR at x120 which in the past would of caused problems, usually a blank screen.
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Thank You
Thanks Baccatack for giving feedback about that. I too have tried two recordings since the update, however, I didn't check the direct navigator to see if they were both shown recording. has the Panny ever done this or has it always just shown one?
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Originally Posted by Grannygrunt
I didn't check the direct navigator to see if they were both shown recording. has the Panny ever done this or has it always just shown one?
Unless it was/is an intermittent problem, I suppose.Also, I've had a sound drop-out in a post-update recording now, so that issue's still there.
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Originally Posted by Spaced Captain
Only the beeb seem to do it this way, others transmit a "propper" 4:3 picture, but all my other boxes are able to determine the correct aspect, so the Pana is definately at fault.
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sound drop- outs
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Originally Posted by lewisnt
I've seen two simultaneous recordings appear in Direct Navigator previously, so I think it's a new one.
Unless it was/is an intermittent problem, I suppose.Also, I've had a sound drop-out in a post-update recording now, so that issue's still there. ![]() 1. Not been resolved by the update with recorded material. 2. Have not been addressed (were there before, and need addressing) I mean such as the incorrect switching of 4.3 broadcasts on BBC channels, etc. ( not wish lists) GG
Last edited by Grannygrunt : 12-02-2006 at 12:02. Reason: spelling |
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Another thing that seems to have been fixed is the 'fan' problem.
Everyday I could guarantee the fan would be on when I came home in the evening, but since the update it hasn't been on. I checked today, and at 12.05 the CTH100 springs in to life as it should, then 7 mins later it re-booted itself and switched off. It hardly ever did this and would remain on all day. Anyone else who had this 'fan' problem still having issues? |
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Thanks
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Originally Posted by digidol
Another thing that seems to have been fixed is the 'fan' problem.
Everyday I could guarantee the fan would be on when I came home in the evening, but since the update it hasn't been on. I checked today, and at 12.05 the CTH100 springs in to life as it should, then 7 mins later it re-booted itself and switched off. It hardly ever did this and would remain on all day. Anyone else who had this 'fan' problem still having issues? GG
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Just to confirm programmes not showing in the direct navigator while they are recording is not a new problem (see the old thread!).
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Sound sync when dubbing.
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Originally Posted by Grannygrunt
Any other problems that have
1. Not been resolved by the update with recorded material. 2. Have not been addressed (were there before, and need addressing) Everything is hooked up with SCARTs as follows: TV ----- (AV1) CTH100 (AV2) ----- (AV2) DMR-ES10 I can play the programme from the Direct Navigator, and everything seems fine. However, when I set up to dub the programme to DVD, the sound and video become increasingly out of sync. Things start off OK, and some attempts seem better than others, but invariably, after about 45 minutes to an hour the delay becomes intolerable. It's hard to estimate the delay, but I'd say the sound is lagging by around a quarter of a second. In order to rule out the DVD recorder (and any possibility of delays caused by monitoring sound from one device and video from another), I set up just the TV on the AV2 output of the CTH100, and started a dub: TV ----- (AV2) CTH100 Sure enough, after about an hour, the sync was way out. Then I put the TV back on AV1 and played the programme normally. No sync problem. Has anyone else seen this problem, or found a workaround? If I get desperate to clear HDD space I suppose I could resort to swapping cables around and recording to DVD from AV1. A related thing: I set a dub to start using the timer, and switched off the PVR. At midday the dub started as planned, then at 12.05 the machine did whatever it is that it does at 12.05, rebooted itself, and brought the dub to a premature end. Grrr. Steve. |
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Will investigate
Hi smorphet, I have done some dubbing to my DVD recorder since the update, didn't seem to get any problems, but will check this out. My DVD recorder is the Panasonic DMR-E55 and should work in exactly the same way as yours. I did check the dubbed film to make sure that it had taken place o.k and was on the disc, but did not play it back all the way through. Will do this today.
GG if mine is the same, then there is a problem with the output from the TU-CTH's AV 2 scart, and obviously this will need to be addressed. Can I also add though that before the update, if you chose to record directly to your external device instead of the internal hard drive, and set sub-titles off, the TU-CTH used to record it with just sound and no picture!!
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Originally Posted by smorphet
I've been having trouble with sound synchronisation when I try to dub a longish program to a DMR-ES10 DVD recorder. I believe this problem existed before the 0.57 update, but I've only really started to investigate it now.
I've got a number of films ready to dub down to DVD at the moment, so will try and get one done this pm and report back. |
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Mines Okay
Hi smorphet, watched the dubbed film that I did after the update, and mines okay, but I think the actual recording 'Gangs of New York' was done before the update, so I am now dubbing a recording that I know has been recorded after the update, 'Officer and a Gentleman'. Will report back with my findings.
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Originally Posted by Grannygrunt
Hi smorphet, watched the dubbed film that I did after the update, and mines okay, but I think the actual recording 'Gangs of New York' was done before the update, so I am now dubbing a recording that I know has been recorded after the update, 'Officer and a Gentleman'. Will report back with my findings.
GG ![]() I'll have to go back and look at dubs I made a while ago too. As lewisnt observes, short programmes don't seem to be so good at showing up the problem. I don't have many films dubbed to DVD yet, but perhaps I've got some concerts that are a good length. One old recording that I have observed the problem with was the Cream Reunion concert from BBC4. The first dub had very poor sync towards the end, but a second dub from the same recording was acceptable. (In this case the recording and both dubs were made with 0.47 software). It seems that there is either a random element, or that it is somehow influenced by other activity of the PVR. I had hoped that using the timer to start the dub from standby-mode would ensure an otherwise idle machine, but I tried that this weekend, and it seems to power up into a 'normal' on state for dubbing. If there is a random effect, it didn't show itself this weekend. Seven or eight attempts, and bad sync on all of them. Perhaps some programmes are more prone than others. It's frustrating that the sync problem only shows up after a while. It makes experimentation rather slow. Steve. |
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TU-CTH and dubbing
Well smorphet, the TU-CTH should dub to an external device, and record, let you watch a channel, even two recordings at the same time and you watching a recording without problems as far as I know. I do a lot of dubbing to disc, mainly films that my daughter wants to watch on her DVD player, and have dubbed whilst watching with the unit on, also dubbed whilst it has been recording something else, no problems. The only problems in the past that I had was with the feature that let's you record straight to your DVD recorder instead of the hard drive. This used to end up being sound but no picture. Because it is usually films that get dubbed, I do tend to edit them with the TU-CTH if they are from one of the channels with ads, because I like to fit them onto a 2hr disc. Anything from the BBC that I might want to transfer would of course not need editing. (Actually, I do prefer the editing in the DVD recorder better, you have a job with the TU-CTH, just getting start/end of ads just right.) Anyway, will report back my findings from this latest dub.
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Originally Posted by smorphet
It seems that there is either a random element, or that it is somehow influenced by other activity of the PVR.
I just dubbed down "The Godfather". Synch is fine, right to the end of the 3 hour recording. At least as best I can tell when they shot the lighting engineer, the main character has hamster cheeks, and everyone has subscribed to the "Real Men are all ventriloquists" school of acting!! I'll try a post-v0.57 recording. |
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Hi digidol
Yes, I did mention a few days ago that my fan problem received a miraculous cure via the update. It did run 24 hours a day but now only comes on when the Pany is in use. Whats more, since the update I have no problems to report at all. I’m quite bored. |
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Nothing to post about?
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Hi digidol
Yes, I did mention a few days ago that my fan problem received a miraculous cure via the update. It did run 24 hours a day but now only comes on when the Pany is in use. Whats more, since the update I have no problems to report at all. I’m quite bored. GG
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Originally Posted by Grannygrunt
I did laugh when I read your post Trev2. Yes, it's quite boring isn't it when there are no problems to report. You will have to just keep posting about how wonderful everything is!!! I suppose now that everything is solved, the TU-CTH threads will just dry up!! Will then have to begin a 'wish list' thread about what you would features you would like implemented if at all possible with the Panny.
GG ![]() ![]() PS - it's not like the Germans not to solve a problem, but to run away... so what nationality created this successful OAD
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Hi digidol
Yes, I did mention a few days ago that my fan problem received a miraculous cure via the update. It did run 24 hours a day but now only comes on when the Pany is in use. Whats more, since the update I have no problems to report at all. I’m quite bored. Hi Trev2 Sorry, must have missed that one. Good news though!!! Just checked some timer recordings I set for this evening including recording two programmes at the same time. Set them up this morning and put into standby......100% success. Well chuffed!!
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Woe is me...
Having stupidly scheduled my holiday to coincide with the update, I returned to find the dreaded "fan on in the afternoon", and so I was unsurprised to find that my Panny was still on 0.47
![]() Does anybody know when the download is due to repeat? Or failing that, can anybody recommend a way to hack it in? I'm really looking forward to being one of those with no complaints at all... |
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Oh Dear!!!
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Originally Posted by Villarica
Having stupidly scheduled my holiday to coincide with the update, I returned to find the dreaded "fan on in the afternoon", and so I was unsurprised to find that my Panny was still on 0.47
![]() Does anybody know when the download is due to repeat? Or failing that, can anybody recommend a way to hack it in? I'm really looking forward to being one of those with no complaints at all... GG
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I don't bend down anymore!!!
Not noticed this one on the postings before (will be probably proved wrong), however, often I had to bend down to hear if the Panny was actually recording a timed event from standby... not any more, it actually glows a red REC - cool... a wish come true
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Unless it was/is an intermittent problem, I suppose.