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How to kill off DW?
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Hippyste
13-02-2006
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“Think we have seen the last of Davros as they had the ideal opportunity to bring him back in the Dalek stories last year but we got the Emperor instead.

Would rather be left with the memories of Genesis than his later appearances in Destiny, Resurrection, Revelation etc..”

He has come back from the dead before though dude/dudette (delete as appropriate).
mossy2103
13-02-2006
I would ask the one obvious question - why would it have to come to and end if it was still popular, and the will was there to continue? After all, how many series of Last of the Summer Wine have been made (and it's still going strong)?
stuart62
13-02-2006
Originally Posted by M. Tourette:
“I think the Tardis gets a virus, It lands on itself in time loop and instead of it being larger on the inside it starts shrinking into itself and finally creates its own black hole claiming all the inhabitants as victims! they try to escape but it is contained within another tardis like russian dolls but each one is smaller than the last.”

Sounds like a cross between The Time Meddler and Logopolis.
Mark.
13-02-2006
Originally Posted by ember1:
“I'm just trying to prepare you for the moment. I don't want you all blubbering like a whiney Tegan the day of the final DW broadcast.
”

No-one said there wouldn't be a final broadcast, but I find it highly unlikely they would kill The Doctor without him regenerating (or leaving it open for him to regenerate).
Black Guardian
13-02-2006
I am a bit bemused that there is a discussion about the series demise when it still has plenty of life left in it. I can still feel a pulse, can't you?
Salford_Who
13-02-2006
Hmm, I think he would stop travelling due to domestic reasons....

In a long distant time, he accidently goes back to Rose's estate, in the year 2032 (approx).... Rose is now 42, there is a 5 year old boy in the house, sees the doctor, and runs towards him saying "grandfather!" Doctor realises he is no longer the last of the Time Lords!
Black Guardian
13-02-2006
Originally Posted by Salford_Who:
“Hmm, I think he would stop travelling due to domestic reasons....

In a long distant time, he accidently goes back to Rose's estate, in the year 2032 (approx).... Rose is now 42, there is a 5 year old boy in the house, sees the doctor, and runs towards him saying "grandfather!" Doctor realises he is no longer the last of the Time Lords!”

wouldn't that be "daddy" given that a lot of people think there is more to this romance between Rose and The Doctor than it just being platonic love.
Salford_Who
13-02-2006
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“wouldn't that be "daddy" given that a lot of people think there is more to this romance between Rose and The Doctor than it just being platonic love.”


We are meant to think it is daddy, but Rose has a kid, which is the reason she needs to leave, 16 years later on, said kid has baby, hence "grandfather", bringing us back to the beginning...
Black Guardian
13-02-2006
Originally Posted by Salford_Who:
“We are meant to think it is daddy, but Rose has a kid, which is the reason she needs to leave, 16 years later on, said kid has baby, hence "grandfather", bringing us back to the beginning...”

Ah! I know what you mean! Think I have Mr Thicky head on today!
mossy2103
13-02-2006
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“I am a bit bemused that there is a discussion about the series demise when it still has plenty of life left in it. I can still feel a pulse, can't you?”

I think that it can be described as "a fantasy thread"
Black Guardian
13-02-2006
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“I think that it can be described as "a fantasy thread"”

Oke doke
leatha
15-02-2006
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“I was thinking much the same. Why would the BBC even consider killing off the 'cash cow' at this stage of the game. It is winning awards, critical acclaim, sold well across the world and if DT stays for a few years and the actors who take over remain for the same amount of time, then there is no reason for it not to go on and on..unless it suffers the same fate as it did back in the 80's.”

Phew!

I thought you had gone mad BG!

I felt queasy reading the topic title!
Hari Seldon
15-02-2006
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“I think that it can be described as "a fantasy thread"”

easiest way to kill doctor who is to leave russel in charge.
NeilGreen
15-02-2006
Originally Posted by Hari Seldon:
“easiest way to kill doctor who is to leave russel in charge.”

Would you care to explain why you think so?
Hari Seldon
15-02-2006
Originally Posted by NeilGreen:
“Would you care to explain why you think so?”

ok just for you.

trisha

derek acora

slitheen
DenWatts
15-02-2006
Originally Posted by Hari Seldon:
“ok just for you.

trisha

derek acora

slitheen”

Well I can't say I'm looking forward to any of those either, but I wouldn't say they would kill the programme.
Eaglestriker
15-02-2006
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Well I can't say I'm looking forward to any of those either, but I wouldn't say they would kill the programme.”

As long as Derek and Trisha (and all the celebs) dont have very big parts and only have a brief appearence on TV that the Doctor watches, they wont harm the programme at all. But if they end up being brief 'one-episode' companions, I'm gonna cringe.

On the other hand, maybe Trisha could 'chatshow' talk someone to death - she could be a powerful ally. Derek probably does his thing for the Doctor's amusment.
Black Guardian
15-02-2006
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“As long as Derek and Trisha (and all the celebs) dont have very big parts and only have a brief appearence on TV that the Doctor watches, they wont harm the programme at all. But if they end up being brief 'one-episode' companions, I'm gonna cringe.

On the other hand, maybe Trisha could 'chatshow' talk someone to death - she could be a powerful ally. Derek probably does his thing for the Doctor's amusment.”

I think a lot of people are thinking where will they draw the line in who they consider inviting to take part on the show even as a cameo appearance. They just about got away with it in the first series but like with French and Saunders constantly parodying films etc it becomes stale and boring after a while and loses the impact it once had.
NeilGreen
16-02-2006
Originally Posted by Hari Seldon:
“ok just for you.

trisha

derek acora

slitheen”

That's not an explanation.

It's a list of things you presumably don't like about the current incarnation of Doctor Who.

I was hoping for a little more explanation of what you felt the downside of RTD being Exec Producer/Chief Writer was.
Black Guardian
16-02-2006
Originally Posted by NeilGreen:
“That's not an explanation.

It's a list of things you presumably don't like about the current incarnation of Doctor Who.

I was hoping for a little more explanation of what you felt the downside of RTD being Exec Producer/Chief Writer was.”

I think the point they are making is that some of RTD's decisions to include Accorah, Trisha after already using Davina, Robinson et al last year is not taking the series in the right direction..plus the Slitheen (which he also created) were not exactly popular with a significant number of people. There was a fierce debate last year regarding the standard of his scripts in comparison to Shearman, Gatiss and Moffat and a lot of people did seem to prefer the others rather than his.
Eaglestriker
16-02-2006
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“There was a fierce debate last year regarding the standard of his scripts in comparison to Shearman, Gatiss and Moffat and a lot of people did seem to prefer the others rather than his.”

With the exception of 'Rose', 'Parting of the Ways' and 'The Christmas Invasion' - they were what I imagined the new series of Doctor Who to be and better. I loved them.
Black Guardian
17-02-2006
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“With the exception of 'Rose', 'Parting of the Ways' and 'The Christmas Invasion' - they were what I imagined the new series of Doctor Who to be and better. I loved them.”

We will have to agree to disagree Eaglestriker. Hated Rose but more for the direction by Keith Boak. The only scripts of RTD I liked were End Of The World, Bad Wolf and Parting of the Ways. Thought the standard of the other scripts by Gatiss, Shearman and Moffat were far better and less juvenile!
NeilGreen
18-02-2006
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“I think the point they are making is that some of RTD's decisions to include Accorah, Trisha after already using Davina, Robinson et al last year is not taking the series in the right direction..plus the Slitheen (which he also created) were not exactly popular with a significant number of people. There was a fierce debate last year regarding the standard of his scripts in comparison to Shearman, Gatiss and Moffat and a lot of people did seem to prefer the others rather than his.”

I'm intrigued that you feel you can answer for the person I posed the question to, but that aside, I think the big argument is clearly what constitutes the 'right direction' as you put it.

I'd be more concerned if RTD took the series in a direction that meant it lost its audience and was once again quickly cancelled.

I'm not for one moment saying I consider everything in Series 1/TCI to be perfect, but I do think consideration needs to be made for the fact that new Who is never going to be the same as classic Who. It's a reboot for a 21st century audience - one I think which has been remarkably successful in keeping many of the best elements of the classic series whilst attracting a whole audience and moving the drama forward.

I'm also intrigued that some people can be so dismissive of RTD's work on Who. Not only has he written his own scripts for the series, he created the whole 'flow' of the series in terms of the stories which made it up, and has had a serious amount of oversight and input into how the whole series
has been put together.
DenWatts
18-02-2006
Originally Posted by NeilGreen:
“I'm not for one moment saying I consider everything in Series 1/TCI to be perfect, but I do think consideration needs to be made for the fact that new Who is never going to be the same as classic Who. It's a reboot for a 21st century audience - one I think which has been remarkably successful in keeping many of the best elements of the classic series whilst attracting a whole audience and moving the drama forward.”

I for one think that's a good thing - as much as I enjoyed original Who in it's day, the formula as it was then wouldn't have worked now.

I agree that there was an awful lot to like about the return of Who (not least of which was the return itself.) I also agree with you that it wasn't perfect either (I think a couple of tricks were missed) and I too am firmly in the camp of thinking the Slitheen were a mistake.

As to the amount of effort RTD puts into the series - I agree, it's a heck of a lot. But as other posters argued during series one, does this mean that he's too thinly stretched, particularly as he now has Torchwood to concentrate on as well? I couldn't possibly offer an opinion - yet - but I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Re. the other points people have raised regarding cameos, I'm open-minded about the episodes - after all, they haven't aired yet.

Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“I am a bit bemused that there is a discussion about the series demise when it still has plenty of life left in it. I can still feel a pulse, can't you?”

I couldn't agree more.
NeilGreen
18-02-2006
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“As to the amount of effort RTD puts into the series - I agree, it's a heck of a lot. But as other posters argued during series one, does this mean that he's too thinly stretched, particularly as he now has Torchwood to concentrate on as well? I couldn't possibly offer an opinion - yet - but I guess we'll find out soon enough.”

That sounds a bit like a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' argument.

Also, I would argue that creative people such as RTD can stretch themselves without being 'stretched too thin'. Or in other words, I don't think creative people have only a limited supply of creativity which can only spread so far.

And, of course, he will be supported by two different production crews.
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