Autons with a Nestene Consciousness as has never been seen before.
Daleks who have gone all emotional and found religion.
A cyberman head shown as in "Revenge of the Cybermen", even though in the upcoming series they look like the "Iron Giant."

Now, to make matters worse, they are plundering the archives for companions such as Sarah Jane and K9.
One day they will write something original that can stand on its own two feet.
The Slitheen could have been excellent but the writing was poor and so they were a wasted opportunity really. We have seen too much of them, Cassandra, Face of Boe etc.
The Gelth should have been excellent, maybe I need to watch that one again.

I'm not looking forward to either series. Torchwood is a Russell T Davies series that happens to be set in the Doctor Who Universe. The problem for me is that I've not enjoyed the RTD Doctor Who episodes so I'm not so sure I'll enjoy his non-Doctor Who episodes either. I'm curious to see what PJ Hammond brings to the series and I'll certainly give it a go, but I'm remain unconvinced at this time.

If some of their scripts are as dark as the ones they produced for Sapphire and Steel then it could be interesting.

Yep I loved Sapphire and Steel and I like the idea of PJ Hammond returning to the world of Sci-Fi. But then I remember that this show is being run by the team that put Big Brother into Doctor Who . Can the two styles even mix?

There lies my concern too but they just about pulled it off with the Big Brother scenario so I am trying to keep faith that they can do it with this.

I was thinking in terms of villans who could make a repeat apperance, and earn there place in the Doctor Who greats, im not sure Cassandra is one of them

someone metioned Face of Boe, would like to see more of him, but he isnt really a badly, not yet anyways, however he could turn into one at some point in the series.

Thought Cassandra represented a sad indictment on todays society where everything is obsessed by looks, surgery, notoriety and greed.

The Face of Boe does appear in New Earth and apparently has a secret to share with the wanderer who has no home.

There was also the Gelth in series one that made interesting adversaries...would rather see them or Cassandra reappear than be treated to the Slitheen..unless of course it was just Annette Badland and played more like it was in Boomtown than AOL/WW3.

Tee Hee!

I was just being mischievous! I don't really mean that!

I don't think any Dr Who bady ever came close to the master. I understand that he is to make a comeback.
There has been a lot of posts with regard to the quality of the aliens used in the new series. The Slitheen will be back, purely for financial reasons-the cost to the BBC for all the CGI work involved means we will be seeing a lot more of them.
As long as they don't bring back rubbish monsters like the yeti.
Incidently, how many more regenerations has the doctor left (if you include McCann)

Depends on how the Yeti could be done with modern technology (CGI) and a decent costume. Though I don't think old enemies should be brought back just for the sake of it and to appease the fans.

Agree the Slitheen are bound to return given the investment of the costumes and CGI effects. Lets hope they have taken heed of the comments and criticism of their first outing in AOL/WW3.

The Doctor can regenerate 12 times!

I don't think we really had any 'new' memorable races in the last series. Other than the 'Face of Boe', the rest were.. forgettable

We do need a "Master" style character. The Moriarty to the Doctors Sherlock Holmes. I always thought Doctor Who worked best when we had a battle of wits, rather than a series of mindless invasions.

Fair point but then again, the same could be said of the first 13 episodes of the original series. Well, apart from the Daleks, of course!

You didn't like the Zarbi?

You make a good point. The only think I can really say is that the original William Hartnell episodes didn't have one eye on merchandising opportunities whilst the new series does. With that in mind I'm surprised that we had so few memorable villians in the last series.

Hmm Slitheen T-Shirt or a "Chap with the wings, five rounds rapid" unit T-Shirt. Tough decisions

Any thoughts on the best Dr Who villian?

My favourite is the Master. No surprise there I suppose. Roger Delgado was my favourite. Anthony Ainley was also very good but the scripts weren't so good.

The Doctor has three regenerations left after David Tennant, although 13 lives doesn't seem to mean much to the Master, hey the Heart of the Tardis will probably save the good Doctor!
The First 13 episodes of the original series actually only featured 3 stories so it is not a fair comparison. Stories include were: An Unearthly Child, 100 000BC, The Daleks, and Inside the Spaceship. You would have to compare the first 13 stories. Even these 3 stories gave us the Doctor, Susan, Ian, and Barbara; the Tardis, the Daleks, & The Thals. Therefore I would say the Hartnell Era wins hands down. The fact that people still talk about the Zarbi and Menoptra 43 years later speaks volumes. Do you think anyone will remember Cassandra in 2048?

Rev Magister.

The best DW villain is....the viewer.

The viewer enables the series to continue and to put the Doctor's (and companion's) life in jeopardy.

The viewer is pure evil.

And that really spoiled your viewing pleasure that much? If it's a Consciousness (which suggests less of a reliance on body), why can it not adopt different forms?


Did you watch the episode? The Emperor Dalek had gone mad after his fall through time and had created Daleks 'in his own image' from different stock to 'original' Daleks. It was a sign of his madness that he wanted to be worshipped rather than just lead.


So? The look of the Cybermen has changed and evolved several times over the course of 40+ years of Doctor Who. Plus the new lot are from a parallel reality.


Actually, I think it's a reflection of one of the themes from 'Series 1', i.e. consequences of the Doctor's lifestyle to himself and other people. If it's handled and written sensibly, I have no doubt it will make a good episode. It's not as if if new Who has become the continuity-ridden monstrosity that McCoy and McGann had to deal with.


I think you'll find that a lot of people believe that there are many points in Series 1 which stand on their own two feet and don't relate back to past Who.


Is this a complaint about the farting or something more deep-rooted about AoL/WW3? As for Boomtown, it's quite clear that there was a whole different tone and dynamic to that story, which was certainly not a case of more of the same.

Absolutely! The Nestene Consciousness was inconsistent between its first two appearances.

I'm interested in the K-9 series if and only if, SJS is also in it.

hrh

I always thought it was Michael Grade but he has truly repented!

I wouldnt say its the viewers falut, the viewer wasnt around for the time war.

I will put my hands up! It's me! I, the Black Guardian, are the best DW villain ever!

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Point taken, but it was inconsistent, seemingly for the sake of it as it wasn't very impressive. If you can't improve on something why change it?


Thankyou, yes I did watch the episodeS and I am only too aware of the plot. Call me old fashioned if you like, but as I have said elsewhere I don't think it is very Dalek Like.


I would have liked to have seen a reworking of the Cybermen from Tenth Planet, they had the potential to be truly horrifying, rather than looking like they are from a children's book.


Not yet anyway. The trick is in the writing.



I think there are points from season 27 that are new, the trouble is they are usually not very good.


The farting didn't bother me as much as other things, although it was pretty stupid.
Would you like me to be specific?
Pigs in Spacesuits, pointless UNIT references, pointless cliffhanger that wasn't even believable before the game was given away, and a substandard plot.
The Slitheen themselves were quite good as I said before. I liked the idea of them occupying people, and I liked the effect when they discarded their host's body temporarily to reveal their true form.

Boomtown was better, however it also featured an over emotional alien. This appears to be a bit of a trend with the new series. It's good to show different perspectives and different reasons for alien conquest but sometimes villains are evil just because they're evil. I hope not to see many more alien species suffering the effects of a mental breakdown.

By the way, are your real initials RTD?

I don't know why people get hung up about this. It was an alien invasion of Earth - who else would be drafted in to deal with it?