everyone and i mean everyone hated jade soo why was she in till the last night i think it was pethetic how big brother havnt come up with new rules soo that when people want them out they will get evicted if anyone has any new rules please tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

when did big brother finish? do people here even realise it has finished? isn't it time people stopped caring quite so much about it all?

or am I just plain crazy?

Iain

Iain ... try sticking a pencil up each nostril, putting your underpants on your head and say 'Wibble'.

I think you'll find it much easier to cope (and Stock might suddenly appear sane! On second thought ... forget that last bit ... silly of me)

I tried it - its good

Jade and Alex were kept in because they amused the public.
Jade because,( God Bless her.) She was as daft as a brush.
Alex for much the same reason. Except Jade knew she was Daft. Alex has yet to realise how daft he is D

Jade lasted because she was given some feedback via Brett to adjust her behaviour , some favourable editing by the producers, & if memory serves me correctly BB then removed the divide & allowed the housemates to nominate via lucky dip when she & tim were quite likely to be nominated.

Now having had time to think about it, I don't disagree with the producers doing this ( I used too). Had Jade come out when Adele or PJ came out at the hight of the media frenzy she would have had a horrible reception as it was she came fourth & made some money which is OK by me.

Had she come first I might still be upset.

However the fact the the producers felt that they had to step in, suggests that she shouldn't have been put in the house in the first place.

She's poorly educuated & the only way she was capable "playing the game" was the way she played it, immaturely, like a 9 year old. IMHO the producers should bear this in mind during auditions next year.


Cheers

Rich

Jade was evicted from the auditions...which suggests to me that she was put in the House in order to stir trouble and be a pain in the arse.

Jade has the emotional maturity of a 4-Year old (awaiting lawsuits from 4-Year olds). Describing herself as a flirt then criticising another HM for flirting successfully, whereas she comprehensively failed to charm the males.
She accused Sophie of "begging a friend", when Jade "begged friends" in the most cynical way; by bitching against rivals.
Alex only liked Jade because he needed someone to bitch with, in order to boost his Ego by slagging others (this is why an Alex/Kate pairing would never work or last; Kate is not a bitching enthusiast).

Like a 4-Year Old, most of her actions are to do with making herself feel good.

Luck.

Luck wasn't in it. Very much down to at first Jade covering her real self, as Jonny told Jade during that last argument she had with Kate that if he and others had known what she was realy like that 1st week they would of voted to keep Lyn in and Lee had also said the same during one of his interviews. Lastly CH4 intervention and the changing of the nomination rules in both hers and Tims favour prevented her from being evicted. I think if Tim and then Jade had been evicted leaving Alex, Kate, Jonny & PJ in the last four then I reckon Alex would of won, because he would of been a better and more fun person in those last weeks.

But you're forgetting - Alex didn't like Jonny and Kate's questionable 'fun' - like many more of us. You can't change someone's personailty to suit an ideal - he was what he was and you either liked him or not as the case may be. If he was like Kate or Jonny - I wouldn't have liked him either.

I'm not talking about the same senario stuff, but Alex did like some of the games they played and joined in quite willingly and was at his best when he did. Also Jonny PJ and Alex did have some good disscussions amongst themselves. Jonny, Kate and PJ also were willing to compromise Alex and he didn't isolate himself with any particular one of these HMs bitching like he did with Sandy, Adele, Tim & Jade. That is why I think he could of just stolen it from Kate and to my mind Alex lost any chance of winning, because of firstly his alliance with Tim on his final week and that last bitching session with Jade in the chicken coop. He never took things so seriously when around J J & PJ like he did with the others and he actually lightend up and was a much nicer person for it.

Had all the people who watched BB3 and voted, watched all the content on E4 for the entire series (excepting when the HM's were asleep), even with the edits, and not just the Ch4 and BBLB highlights, I think the final four would still have been the same line up, but the order of the final results may have been
1st Kate, 2nd Alex 3rd Jade, 4th Johnny.
This is not intended against Johnny, but it stands to reason that
the HM's with the biggest stories and experiences in the house would have elicited the most votes, based of course on viewers having watched the entire show.

Kate had story line material surrounding her journey in the house,but no major events overtly, that were to do with herself only, ie as a particular individual with a contrasting point to make.
She was never really inactive and created a picture of someone heading somewhere, yet it was never apparent where, until of course, the end , when her very active but non committed role in the house came over as non controversial and soothingly consistent for the viewer, making her an easy choice for winner, as choosing Kate meant no difficult choice , she was not at odds significantly as a whole, either with her housemates or with the viewer's, so picking Kate did not present a dilemma as there was no other HM to deliberate for or against Kate with, she did not create a long term contradictive
or outspoken relationship, in opposition to another HM, or as an individual, to the viewer.
Even in teaming up with Johnny, the most she allowed to be put over to the viewers,was that she was ensuring she had an outlet for her need to be active and visibly loud. She did not create or allow anything deeper or more significant than that to
be presumed, so even the programme makers could not edit anything different or more significant into her and Jonny's friendship. Kate managed to stay on top of things by keeping her role as breezy and simple as possible.
She was a popular choice for a programme that became for the viewers, an ever changing journey, as other HM's struck their individual chords, causing us viewers to re evaluate our positions on who our favourites actually were, and who deserved the final winning vote as well.She kept out of it in an
ingenious way, she didn't commit herself to anything that seriously gave the viewer a dilemma to question her being outspoken for instance, because she wasn't.
When she took a stand, she did it twice. Once with Sandy, when he made the comment about Allison, he said something about
'at least someone out there knows the truth' when the viewers
voted her out I think, and Kate took him to task about it, telling him to explain himself. The second time, she took a stand about the Sophiegate events. Both times she was projecting to the viewer a personal disposition that was something that could have got the viewer debating about her views as an individua l- but, for those two occasions, her detracting from her non committed breezy persona in the house, was to do with the subject of injustice. And I think anyone who saw those two incidents and Kate's reactions, would agree that most viewers
would have the same common reaction, that of seeing those events as unjust. So when Kate stood out on her own volition on a serious note, she did it with a popular subject, and on the right side of it.
Kate was always going to win.

Alex and Jade created vastly opposing viewpoints of themselves to the viewer, for periods which lasted one or two weeks at a time, and gave the viewer plenty of dilemma. Yet this was also great viewing, and gave plenty of food for thought, and heavy investment for the public, as perceptions needed to be weighed up, the viewer wanted to see what these two HM's
were going to pan out like, and if they were indeed going to turn out the people who any viewer may have perceived them to be, but was then faced with the sudden contradiction, by the turn of events which these two HM's conducted with their individual reactions and assertions. They created a lot of personal involvement in themselves by the watching public, and took therm on a journey, as they went through their discoveries in their time at BB.

Johnny is difficult to evaluate without seeming unkind to him. He didn't reveal anything about himself, based on a personal show of real spontaneous reaction, to anything valid for other HM's or issues.The one time when he did have a heartfelt instant reaction and was obviously sincere and emotionally aggravated enough to be outspoken, was to do with himself, not another person or social issue, and that was when he shouted from the pool, to Jade,about him having been nominated three times.He was visually and audibly obviously sincere, but he was not eliciting a valid appraisal of his standing amongst men from the viewer with that. Other times, when he was giving advice in terms of words of comfort or caution to others, it came across as a set piece, a chance to promote himself. This being said though, there are people who can be totally genuine and come across as the opposite. I have known two people who have a rare affliction of appearing to be lying when they relate a story that is fact.
Maybe his preoccupation, his particular absorption with the BB
show, made him a fan of BB, inside the house, instead of a housemate as such. This would explain his constant overt awareness of being on tv.
'Being there' is what it was for Johnny, he appeared to be awed at this, and for me this often came across with a particular facial expression and accompanying smile that he would have.
Bearing in mind that this assessment is based on if all viewers who voted had watched the entire show, I really would be at a
loss to see how he could have been voted anywhere but fourth,
particularly as he progressed in the show to reveal serious contradictions to the previously projected persona, and this involved being untrustworthy, which is a serious flaw.
There might be an answer in all this that he was mixed up and looking for a way out before he went in to the BB house. He projected a man who had high hopes, hence his deep depression for a very long period of time when he found out the other HM's figured him to be playing to the cameras.
That message was the same as the HM's saying that they thought he was insincere when interacting with them.
Again I think the truth is more akin to his being a fan of BB in the house rather than an HM. He was probably carried away more than anything, and did seem to exude this sort of 'come on! lets get on with the show' excitement, which can make a person appear shallow and insincere.
In all this there doesn't appear to be a sustaining involvement for the viewer, and particularly when towards the end he should have lost the majority of any support he did have, based on events in which his role cast serious doubts as to his fitness for his employment, particularly as one of those events showed him questioning and asking if certain methods of recovery first aid, were correct, as he attempted to remember how, and then abandoning the attempts and attempting to force further endangerment to the HM concerned with this event.
Events happened very late in the night and early hours, and not on Ch4, the majority of voters did not see and are totally unaware.

I will not be watching another BB, because the injustice of HM's being voted in or out by a majority who are not watching the bulk of the footage trivialises the reality of the show. Even with the edits, watching the 24 hour facility allows the viewer to intercept even how BB are editing, and to see the majority of truth.
After the controversy out here after BB3,and the heavy criticism, the companies involved are either going to back out of editing the HM's 'in' or 'out' in BB4, or edit even more, leaving us no clues with which to criticise them.
Last edited by Maxiii : 31-08-2002 at 02:35

Maxii - you have FAR too much time on your hands!!!

It's escapism, courtesy of BB3!

Jade would have been nominated "fix week" and thrown out. Was it luck or was the luck made for her?

Do you not see it yet? Jade is in fact a Master Jedi Knight, she used the force to influence the minds of the weak^H^H^H^H producers to help her.