I felt sorry for Rhona. Christine didnt really have to tell her what Nigel said about gays being 'sinners'. and ,having told Rhona and seen her reaction, Christine should have owned up when Darren asked how Rhona knew what Nigel had said.

I dont blame Rhona at all, knowing shes having to live with someone who she thinks considers her a 'sinner; just because of her sexuality.

Now Nigel may or may not have said it. However Rhona, ( no thanks to Christine) THINKS he said it, hence her understandable reaction.

and Nigel and Darren's 'if you was a man Id flatten you' was just disgusting. To even use the threat of violence, even indirectly, is deplorable.

Nigel and Rhona are the two opposite ends of the same ignorance scale and are as bad as each other.

I can understand why Christine took it as read that Rhona would have twigged that some of Nigel's problems with her came from his personal belief system and I wouldn't have owned up either if I'd let it slip - I'd try and bury it for my own sake and move on. Rememer there's a hell of a lot we don't see and others have eldued to Rhona's sexuality, or rather Rhona's own perception of how her sexuality affects her in social interaction have played a part in camp (sic) politics.

She is a very agrresive and fiery presonality who i think is only well balanced due to a chip on each shoulder and Nigel is two parts the same tune.

I agree with you, Rennie. She and Nigel are both thoroughly unpleasant human beings - from what we've been shown, anyway.

It's been tough for Rhona but she has constantly provoked, and prolonged, the unpleasantness. On the other hand, if I was stuck in that camp with Nigel, I'd want to kill him by now.

I don't think Christine realised it would be a red rag to a bull when she explained to Rhona about Nigel's religious beliefs - and she should have owned up, but I can quite see why she didn't...

I honestly don't think that homophobia's got much to do with it though - it's Rhona's personality people can't stand, not her gender or her sexuality.

Christin to Darren, if you go Nigal is still here. I f Nigal goes you are still here.
If Rhona goes, happy camp.
Well Christine had better wish it is one of the lads that go. Because if Rhona goes, guess what Christine. You will be the next to get their backs up.

yes..you are correct. If they think that Rhona going is going to make everything fine, then they are in for shock. because group behaviour in those circumstances, without the crutches of modern comforts, nearly always results in one person being the 'runt' of the group as it were, and who the rest try to get rid of.

Christine certainly will be the next to get their backs up & you know why? Because Darren & Nigel have now got their own "boy's club" on the go & Christine is also a strong woman who is not going to use flirting to ensure her popularity.

Violence & the threat of violence is always unacceptable. Sadly I do not expect any the different from the 2 cave men in question.

The question of ' sin ' is a tricky one. In the ' book according to Rhona ' Nigel would be the sinner simply for being who he is ! She has made that quite clear.
In my book both Rhona and Nigel are sinners as they are both arrogant, intolerant, undemocratic, self-centered bores. Quite similar really.

100% agree Cybele.
I believe she is just as much a bully, if not a worse one, as someone who uses physical threats.

I thought Nigel rather liked Christine from what I've seen. He may well find it much easier to cope with an older, matriarch figure than with Rhona.

<Dr Dave - now stereotyping Nigel!>

I found parts of tonights episode distressing. Personalities aside, a man threatening a woman with physical violence, or, if you like, even alluding to it, I find utterly repulsive. There is NO provocation for saying those things, EVER. Whatever she said, or didn't say, it was a repulsive way to act.

And when Darren and Nigel took themselves off into the bushes to discuss the concept that Rhona "was a man", wanted to be a man, etc, that confirmed to me how thoroughly bigotted and unpleasant they can be.

In my opinion, Nigel has been worse than Rhona. He has been dogmatic, childish and intractable. No, I don't think she behaved sensibly, and sometimes she's been downright controlling - but he is at least as much responsible for the conflict in the camp as she is. To the extent that he begged Darren not to make up with her in an earlier episode.

Much respect to Nell and Tony (and even Uri, much though I dislike him normally) for refusing to get drawn into this witch-hunt.

Agree 110%. I think she is using that as a get out clause for her intolerant ways. Rhona and Nigel are as bad as each other.

Absolutely!
I think it's also sad the way Darren & Nigel have each other to back each other up & cheer them on & give moral support. Although Tony & Uri asr obvioulsy on Rhona's side, they won't help her out when she is getting picked on. Are they scared of Nigel? If Rhona knew she did have support, she'd be much happier I'm sure... "I SUPPORT YOU RHONA!" "GO RHONA!"

Yay - go rhona - power to Rhona

I would disagree. I believe homophobia is definately the issue here. I think Nigel has influenced Tara and Darren from the start against Rhona. When Darren tried to get on with her yesterday Nigel took him away and said something along the lines of 'We don't associate with people like that'.
I'm convinced that when Darren was questioning Christine about how Rhona came to her conclusion that Nigel was homophobic and when Christine wouldn't admit anything, he was basically saying she can only *think* that he thinks that rather than *know* it (as they do).

Yes it is repulsive. Brought up in S.London (No really Darren not just invented) I've had my share of barnys BUT, you DO NOT threaten Women with violence. Those that do, here at least, would be likely to find they are the one being given a bit of physical.
That said I do not agree that there is NO provacation, whatever has been said, that can lead to someone threatening violence.
She gets her kicks out of winding people up to the point where that is very likely to happen, and boy does she enjoy it.
Repulsive Woman (I use the term Woman loosely)

Rhona is putting herself in a no win situation and I dont understand why. She has a great opportunity here and she is not making the best of it. Having met he a few times around Belsize Park where she lives I can tell you that she is a very intelligent , friendly and funny woman. Unfortunately that is not coming across and I worry about what wil happen when she returns, watches the edits and meets the public again. ITV are not helping her in the way they are constructing the show and that stupid , inane ITV2 presenter creating the moniker 'Rhona the moaner' is just downright cruel. This is her largest exposure to the public and she is not helping her career at all by playing the victim on one hand and the agressor on the other. She is smarter than that which is why her current persona is so confusing. All in all, if her agent knows her well and knows how senstive she is , the agent should be fired for putting her into this position.

After tonight's program it seems that two groups are forming in the camp. You got Darren, Nigel and Tara on one side and Rhona, Tony and Uri on the other. Christine has hinted that camp would be happier if Rhona left, which has dinted my opion of her slightly.

It seems like a repeat of BB3 to me!!!

I suspect poor old Tony, like Kim and Christine, would be only too happy if the others would all just p**s off so the more rational celebs could have a bit of peace and quiet!

Who is Kim?

But you're forgetting that there will be a replacement - and from BB experience we all know who lands the flack in that situation. Christine is very safe I think - bring on Cheggars.

LMAO

Beats me!

Who is John Galt?

excellent post. Rhona seems to be impelled to challenge anything and everything, and this clash of personalities with Nigel, Darren and Tara has brought out the worst in her. But, y'know, she seems to have played it all the wrong way... she thinks it's OK to be open and out with anything and everything you think, and challenge everything and anybody you think is wrong. With her supposed intelligence she could have approached the same issues and the same people so differently. There might be a lot of support for Rhona here, but overall I think the general public will not see much beyond Rhona being a wingeing, irritating, 'in yer face', aggressive lesbian.... worse that lesbians are all like Rhona.

Or even worse, people might think that all Christians are like NIgel!

The lesbian issue has clearly been discussed at lenght by certain celebs. How did Christine knoe about that particualr passage of the bible being so importantant to a born again christain. Nigel hadn't said it to Rhona but he had to Christine.
It's sickening to see her being bullied like this. The intolerance is appaling. The only problem Rhona had was with the homophobia of the bible, not Nigels beliefs (although if he subscribed to that homophobia then yes, Nigel is a problem).
I read here that Rhona is a bully as well - Her against two grown men, both of whom are screaming abuse at her and threatening to punch her lights out. She's too afraid to sleep in camp with them. She feels intimidated and afraid. She's a bully? God, that makes me laugh.........If she was your sister would you say to her - "Yes those two guys screamed threats at you, but you did tell them to drink plennty of water...Youre a bully as well" or would you call the police............

I think there's a lot of support for Rhona as somebody being stereotyped according to het perceptions of lesbians and as the victim of belligerent abuse. I entirely agree with that support.

I also think there's a lot less support for Rhona's personality and attitudes which IMHO are aggressive, confrontational, unpleasantly sardonic and insufficiently concerned with the feelings of others.

Not all victims are saints and sometimes nasty things happen to unpleasant people!