That is based on the flawed assumption that diplomacy was used to start with. Let's face it, the first word about her sexuality that entered the argument whas Rhona herself calling Nigel a homophobic f***ing w***er. Diploacy, where art thou? The first words about religion were along the lines of where Nigel should stuff his bible or whatever she said. Diplomacy, where art thou? Not that Nigel or Darren were any better more diplomatic, they were all to blame, but with sheep it's follow the leader, and that's the way Rhona was leading. They just responded to her insults, but you could tell every single time the camera was on her that she was just waiting to come out with the next one, barely able to contain herself

And this is a better discussion, but talking about shooting people with a deck of cards is just too odd.

Hoew can we tell any of this without seeing the full footage - We've seen insult throwing once rows have started but no insults before they kicked off - The argument s always start with the alpha males getting aggressive. I suppsoe not being able to threaten to knock them out convincingly insults was the only way she could go.......Thinking back it was Nigel who told her everyone hated her on the first day......She was trying to spea to him and this was his reaction.....The winners are writing the history books on thsi one then.........I suppose that's wy Rhona is up fo rthe challenge tomorrow....Oh she's not - Darren is.......

Now you're just being ludicrous. Try reading posts properly
i.e. where did I say I'd agree with them??
You are either on a wind up or are dumber and more childish than Darren Day.

You seemed to be suggesting that as a lesbian Rhona should have calmly listened to Nigel call her a sinner. Calmly reflected on it and possibly have agreed with him !?!?!?!

I suppose that makes me childish for thinking that as a ludicrous suggestion. Although personal insults seems childish to me as well - Oh the irony...

Yes that is exactly what I'm suggesting she should have done. What makes you think listening to an explanation of a different point of view is Ludicrous?
I did NOT say she had to agree with those views, you did.
What do you suggest she should have done?

If I were gay Studley, and a born again Christian informed me that I was sinning against God. I wouldn't waste a moments thought on what homophobic rubbish that was. I would feel very incined to dislike that person and would indeed throw abuse at them if/when they started threatening violence at me. Rhona acted correctly.
And I'm still not on a wind up or childish..........

Ahh I see, so, you and Rhona can have your views and opinions and are fully justified and you expect others to respect your view. Nigel on the other hand has no such rights and he and his views deserve no respect but only ridicule.
Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

No confusion - If a gay person had approached Nigel and said his religion was a sin agains homosexuality I'm sure he would have some room to complain.But being gay and free from prejudice outways the freedom to use religion to hate. To use Christianity as a justification to hate homosexuality cannot be justified in anyway.
So I'm right I hope you use your new knowledge well.

That's your opinion, it is not fact.
You are none the less entitled to hold that opinion and to have people show respect for what you believe, whether they agree with you or not.
Who is free from prejudice? You can't seriously be suggesting that Rhona is.

Rhona has a right to be free of prejudice because of her sexuality - So yes, very much the case that she should be free of prejudice.
Are people entitled to air their religious opinions. No they're not, not if they cause offense. Do Satanists get to speak out about their religion openly? How about religions with an unliberal view of women. Since I assume all religions must be treated equally in order for all their mad opinions to be taken on board then just about anything can happen if it's written in a holy book. I can't show respect to a religion that denies it's children blood transfusions............Mind you - I don't expect everyone to respect all my opinions, some of them are a bit "out there" I have to admit.......

Well I think that's something we can all at least agree on

You really havent a clue what gay people have to go through ever day of their lives have you. constantly being preached at by people who should mind thier own damned business. Being the subject of constant piss taking and threats.

Imagine if you were told that because you love a certain person you are a 'sinner' . F%^k it, Id react like Rhona did.

Im from scunthorpe
wow..an intelligent censor

You are completely right. At first, I was able to try and put my point accross without raising my voice and getting insulting (although it is difficult when faced with such ignorance). But now I can't help but fly off the handle cos I'm sick of all the bullshit I get from people.
I'm only 20 and I'm already sick of all the crap I've gotten (and continue to get) from people regarding my sexuality (which, let's be honest, is none of their business anyway). Rhona's had to put up with that for 16 years more than I have and I don't blame her for having a short fuse with it all now.

I am not gay, & you are right that unfortunately some gay people do get a lot of undeserved abuse, which I have been lucky enough not to have to experience. In this case, however, it appears that Nigel had not said anything to Rhona - she started it, knowing that an argument would ensue. I am half white & half Indian, and while I might despise racists, I would never walk up to one & yell "You racist ****ing bastard". This would be completely pointless, as the plain fact is that bigoted people have very closed minds, and are unlikely to be swayed by reasoned argument, let alone uncontrolled insults. Yes, there are a lot of prejudiced people out there, but Rhona's method of dealing with prejudice seems to me to leave a great deal to be desired.

Really Rhona didn't start it - Christine did - She told Rhona what Nigels beliefs were because Rhona asked why Nigel was being so unpleasant to her......The pint we're trying to get across is that Rhona reacted to the homophobia...She immediately confronted Nigel about it..The row followed.
I would have done it if I was being excluded and someone told me that was why......

Yes, Christine told Rhona something which upset her. I too would have been upset, however I think I would have opted to stay away from that person, knowing that a bigot is a bigot is a bigot, and cornering one is not the best way to defuse the issue.

She should have done. She should have bitten here tongue and stayed quiet and just kept out of his way for the rest of the time. Lack of food and sleep seems to have made them all tired and emotional so it takes little for them to kick off. I would have done it......Great TV as well

I absolutely agree - the whole thing is just gripping!

An you obviously haven't got a clue what point I'm making.

You know jolly well I meant prejudice FROM Rhona and not TO her. Of course she is going to come up against it that is my WHOLE POINT. IF she comes up against prejudice, which is wrong, she herself should think hard before showing prejudice herself. Why is that so difficult to accept.

if anyone is on the recieving end of prejudice, be it homophobic or racial, I don't see why they should think hard before showing disgust and revulsion to it.

Did I say air them? No I did not, so please stop changing what I've said just to fit your argument.
I said if they had beliefs, however crazy you or I might find them, they were entitled to have their beliefs, or will you have them brian washed so they conform to what you find acceptable?
To condem them without even finding out, i.e. by asking why they had those beliefs, NOT by asking them to Publicly AIR them, makes you just as crazy and bigoted as they are.

Try answering the points raised for a change instead of just coming out with cute quips.
I said, to save you looking, IF Rhona is subject to prejudice, ie about her sexuality, should she not get the facts, by asking, before showing prejudice herself?

studley, some people seem to avoid answering the points raised - I wonder why?

Yes, of course, people should be sure of their facts before they go accusing people. Nigel had already told Moaner (opps sorry Rhona) why he had a problem with her - i.e. she was moany. Christine took it upon herself to presume that Nigel was homophobic due to his religious beliefs (I don't think this was confirmed). On hearing Christine speak of this, IMO, to try and smooth things over, Rhona immediately jumped on this being the reason for Nigel's attitude and came out with a load of abuse about Nigel's religious beliefs etc. How can she demand respect for her beliefs and then belittle his - and then have people stick up for her is beyond me.