I don't find Nigel aggressive at all.
He tried to take over at the beginning so that he would understand what was going on at anyone time, this would have removed any need for him to interact with any people having their own minds, which would confuse him because he is not
the brightest spark in the camp fire.

Shouting "If you were a man I'd knock you spark out" and waggling his finger in her fave wasn't aggression..at all?

Oh that was definately aggressive. However, it was only agression in resoonse to the aggression of another person.

Not to me - I said 'I DON'T' find him aggressive, I didn't say his actions were not aggressive, but for me they were not, I mean't had I been there, and he had done that to me.
I look at people's actions based on what I perceive the person
behind those actions to be.
Nigel for me, is someone who would knock me out, not threaten to. His behaviour had he threatened me would have told me he could or would not argue along the mentality I was annoying him with. I would then have backed off, lest I should earn a punch, and end up going to sleep early.
I would not have felt aggressed, I would have thought that I had
argued with someone who was not on the same wavelength
and left it at that, as no further argument could take place if he was annoyed to the point where he was not arguing but threatening.
But Rhona, she felt comfortable that as she was a woman, and was not likely to get a punch from Nigel, she could employ her
disregard of another person's annoyance that she had created,
and continue on and on.

In total contrast to Nigel, if Darren had said to me that he would
knock me out, I would immediately be on my guard because I see him as someone who would threaten and then actually do it, because in my opinion he appears to not know who he is yet
in himself, and can be overcome by a moment's events.
'In other words - (as Jade said) - he's a p***k'

sorry, but if a professional boxer has to resort to veiled threats of violence against someone who is half his size and probabaly 1/10 his strength during an argument then they have lost it altogether.
What he did was undefendable IMO.

Exactly. I agree 100%

Excellent point.

fair enough comment, but he is only a boxer, you'd have to be a psychiatrist to cope with Rhona's constant aggression, without getting annoyed.

He's not "only a boxer". He's made a point of going public about his beliefs, so I don't think it's too much to ask him to live by them, or at least try to! As it is, by going into the woods with Darren and begging him not to make up with Moaner, and refusing to forgive her when Uncle Tony asked him to for the sake of the group, he's not really following the religion he professes at the mo.!

Now that's a fair point, in my view much more applicable than the arguement of him being aggressive, and she could take him to task over that.

But I don't think he would profess to be a saint, is probably at the very early stages of his rebirth, and not experienced and well schooled in the art of turning the other cheek, when someone makes a direct strike against you, as say your parish vicar would be. He probably thinks, retreat, tell Darren not to talk to her, and just get out of the arguement is doing that, then in a clearer moment he does "do" his forgiveness bit. Possible no?

More on the subject of Nigel's aggresion, I'm afraid. Did anyone else think that "kiss" he gave Rhona last night was more of a slap in the face than a peace offering? IMO it couldn't have been more of a blatent f**k you than if he'd actually floored her. He just came up behind her silently, made no apology about scaring her, planted a kiss on her face and wlked off without a word! His behavoir just seems to be becoming more and more strange and disturbing. Just wondered if anyone else saw it that way.......

My god, he can't win can he? I think you see what you want to see, because putting your lips against someone is a personal act, and even in the very worst most sceptical way of thinking, could have been seen as two-faced, but I don't see how it could be the same as punching her in the face at all, at all at all.

I ask you if Tony Blackburn, had said all the things that Nigel saif, and did the things he did, would we be at this point of the conversations at all?

I think Nigel fits the stereotype of all things we may find threatening, strength, size, colour, the whole package, and it is just topped by a completely bullshit perception him giving her a kiss was an act of aggression, absolutely unbelievable.

How about him giving her a brief kiss, being seen as his way of communicating just to her, where is mind is at currently, without making it a public issue for the rest of the group eh?

Again I think this just confirms that we are prejuding Nigel based on our own fears of what we see as "people like Nigel", rather than anything he has actually done on the show

Yeah, I thought that, too. You can't get much more unChristian than the way ol' Nige is behaving. Forgiveness and redemption were pretty central last time I looked.

Oh, but if he's a fundamentalist - isn't that all very Old Testament? In which case he's probably just sitting there willing Rhona to be turned into a pillar of salt

You know - it was Rhona asking why Nigel wouldn't talk to her that kicked it all off. Maybe if they all talkied to each other ina civil way we wouldn't all be bickering here now about it.....

Hold on - Where's the fun there

Well done to you Ryan, I couldn't answer that post I found it too distressing.

The man found it in his heart to make amends and rather than Darren's way which was to address the whole camp and publicly declare that he would stop getting annoyed, Nigel did it in a very private manner - by simply kissing her and giving her a hug.

I am so very disappointed that anyone could inject something poisonous into that action. :'(

Ah, maybe his religion is the reason he refused Tony's request,
Tony must have caught Nigel in the middle of thinking his problems through about Rhona, and having a talk with himself about it, until he could get to the point where he genuinely felt he had beaten his anger, and was honest about going to Rhona and making up. Then, when he had got there, he went to Rhona and kissed her.
He said no to Tony because he had not reasoned with himself yet.
This is a more a likely bet than Nigel simply abandoning his beliefs.

Now you can't 'arrive' before you set off on the journey.
What did Rhona say to Nigel to make him stop talking to her??

Perhaps we'll never know.

Yep. Nigel is no angel but I thank you for having the guts to come out with this because I think that's what much of this is about.

Ok, i really didnt mean to offend anyone with my post, but that's honestly the way I saw it. Maybe I put my point across in the wrong way. If Nigel really wanted to apologise why didn't he say anything? Why did he just kiss her like that, which in my opinion was totally deviod of tenderness or any kind of positive feeling. And then just walk away? It just seemed very strange. Especially after Rhona said she was willing to be civil, but not to engage in any "hugging and kissing stuff". To me it just seemed more of a dig than a genuine apology.

On the other hand, maybe it was just everything she said, full stop! I know I'd be thinking twice about whether or not to talk to her, & I'm not even homophobic...

I think he didn't say anything because, as we have seen, he's not a particularly articulate man. Saying anything would no doubt have resulted in a slanging match, as usual, with Nigel unable to put his side of things across. His kiss seemed to me to say "We may not get on, & we don't have to talk, but I'm sorry."

And what did he say to her to make her say something to him not make Nigel stop talking to Rhona.
Perhaps we'll never know..

So who's going do you think? I've set up a poll to see.
http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/673280
So far Rhona seems to be the favourite for the chop with 49%.

Vote if you'd like.