I've got to defend Nigel here.

He's a professional boxer, his profession is all about physical violence, it's his life, and must therefore be a huge part of his psyche.

I don't think for a moment that he had any intention of hitting Rhona, or was even remotely threatening her. I believe he was so frustrated with her constant moaning that his comment about hitting her if she were a man was more an expression of frustration than a threat.

You know if you're REALLY wound up you think ARRRRGH, I could strangle him/her?

Rhona has issued so many more veiled threats like "you don't want to wind me up, Nigel, you really don't" etc, and she REFUSES to listen to anyone else's side. Jeez, I'd want to hit her!

Don't think it has anything to do with her sexuality, his religion or anything other than a clash between a bullish man and an incredibly stroppy woman.

Tara's more unpopular than expected. Very satisfying.....

I'd agree with you on the last statement, but...

A few nights ago when Christine was talking to - i think it was Rhona - she told Nigel to shut up because HE never listened and kept interrupting. To which he said "If you tell me to shut up one more time, I'll chin you!"

Strange, huh?

there's also a poll for who you think will win,
http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/674818
These are found at http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet.../showid-12115/

i did think that rhona or darren would be first to go , but if nigel upsets christines by being agressive to her , then i think he will be first to go. can't see nell, tony , uri, rhona or even tara and darren paraising him for upsetting mrs H.
the public will hate him if all we see is him upsetting christine and or nell tonight, he will be for the chop ! take heed mr benn count to 20 b4 you say anything to these lovely women, they don't deserve your finger in their face or your fist threatening to follow it !!!!!!!!
if i am wrong and he has a cosy chat with christine or whoever the problem is with, and makes up with them then he won't be the first to go.....adios darren .

Rhona on 29% - Tara on 14%....Very satisfying.........

That poll just opened today - in a few days time it will have changed (I think your allowed one vote per day. I think - Maybe not)

[quote]Originally posted by Mesostim


Rhona on 29% - Tara on 14%....Very satisfying......... [/QUOTE

Rhona on 16% - Tara on 30%...Very satisfying......... !

nigel treats women like he was a pimp. He bullys, alternates support and cruelty and demeaned tara as he would not even assist her forcing her to carry the box back to camp on her own. one minute he is threattening to beat rhonda the next day he is kissing her. This is how Pimps create the subserviant/dependency role and your seeing it first hand. His response to the trial as reported in the paper today in which the crew said he screamed like a woman and had to have a doctor come in and deal with his hyperventalating. Times said they edited this out to ensurre he did not sue for defamation of character.how his wife lives with that amazes me.

actually I think you're a bit off beam here - I don't like a lot of Nigel's behaviour - but I sympathise with the way he felt when he discovered that he had been set up by Christine, and I also felt he was right not to be taken in by tara's helpless act - no reason at all why she should'nt have carried thaT BOX

Tara on 31% - Rhona on 17%....Very satisfying

A bit early to be celebrating surely

Hey! Rhona isn't going to win (looks like the vacuous one is) but at least with 19% she isn't as unpopular as this forum demands she is. Very satisfying.........It's not like you can keep voting to kick her out because it works the other way!!!!

Mesostim, I'm not voting at all - I don't mind who wins - although I would object to Rhona winning as she has caused misery throughout the camp. I think they all deserve congratulations for their effort - no one has bottled out of a challenge and there has been plenty for them to put up with. I, for one, could not have done better.

I think Nigel has been a bit of a misery but there are a lot of
people on the forum bashing him needlessly
remember its a charity game show.

Boxers are generally in face characters with big egos.
I suppose the general public would have preferred a complete
buffoon like Frank Bruno.


no wha a mean arry!

bashing Nigel needlessly? He is a total one man antisocial disaster area! It's not for us to remember it's a charity show - someone forgot to tell Nigel that from the outset... or to explain to him some basic social skills, but maybe he'd have thumped anyone who dared suggest he just might have a bit of a social interaction / communication problem....

btw, Frank Bruno was divorced by his wife for beating her up, remember? So much for the gentle giant... methinks not!

Nigel had told Christine that he thought that Rhona was a "sinner".
Now look at it any way you want but all she did was relay this to Rhona.
It could be construed as stirring, but I think Christine when speaking to Rhona didnt mean it that way. She was just trying to explain to Rhona why she thought her and Nigel had a clash.
She just didn't come across in her explination properly.

Yes, that is the problem when you hear information second hand, because the sentiment in which it was said is lost. Christine is an inelligent woman, and should have been able to work out that this was a subject that Rhona was going to be a complete live wire about, and should have said nothing.

I don't think it was deliberately, but it was very stupid of her. And I can understand why Nigel is so upset by it, I think we would all be right pi55ed off if we were thinking one way, then found out someone we liked had started the whole, and then said nothing.

Christine saw the drama unfold over a number of days, with Rhona chucking some serious insults Nigel's way, and getting very upset herself in the process. That would have been the time to admit what she said, rather than pretend she could not see what was affecting each of them so much

I can't believe this. Pimp as well? Are you going to invent anything else?. I really, really understand the plight of people in minorities now, because it is becoming very apparent the boundaries on the type of behaviour and expression that will be accepted from them, are much tighter than for the wider public.

Most people here might have someone like Tony in the family, or know someone like Christine, or Nell, and such are willing to accept incidents they see for what they are, being a bit angry, fed up or whatever.

But reading the messages on this forum it has become apparent, that the prejudgement of Nigel based on stereotypes has gone into absolute freefall. If Uri had gone out with Tara for a task, and told her that she should carry the box, because she hasn't been pulling her weight, would anyone be calling him a pimp?

The simple facts are that Nigel hasn't hit, nor is he going to hit anyone. The irony is that Rhona actually knew that more than anyone, but based on what she'd heard, thought she had to champion her cause. And now venom has been taking out of the comment she thought Nigel made, she actually saw Nigel's frustration for what it was, and did try and cool the situation down a bit between Nigel and Christine, probably knowing
that she was guilty of distorting what Christine told her as well.

Given the comments like Pimp, big aggressor, and others I've seen on this forum, I guess the real vote that we should be having is on how the majority view people they don't understand, and at the moment, withinth this forum at least, it looks like for whatever personal reasons or prejudices, you find the ethnic sterootypes, more threatening that homosexuals ones, but maybe only just.

Nigel is probably one one the weathiest members of the
group so voting him out won't make the slightest dent in
his purse or his reputation. He is probably hoping to be
voted out so he can get away from the others.

The best the the closet racists on the forum could do is
vote for him to stay in it till the end.
That would upset him far more.

What has wealth got to do with it? He never went in to make money directly, and indirectly his populraity and reputation has been severely dented and may cost him publicity and money one way or another.

Furthermore, you seem to have come to some weird conclusion, and I know why as you want him to stay, that the best negative vote is to vote for him to stay as he wants to leave. Have you spoken to Nigel so you know that? Oh, I am sure that he wants the experience to end, but where he isn't short of a few bob, he does not want to be unpopular... as you say, they have big egos these celebs, and hurting their egos is worse than hurting them in the pocket.

Seriously, I expect only unpleasantly strange and/or psychologically sick people will vote Nigel as their favourite after his antics. The man needs help after the show.

I really don't think it's fair to call anyone in here a closet racist just for disapproving of Nigel's behavior. No one has mentioned colour till now and as far as I'm concerned it is not an issue. Think what you like about peoples underlying prejudices but I think everyone has the right to post their opinions without being called a racist.

Sorry , I know there are issues to discuss stemming from the personalities in the show, and earlier this week I had a little say,
but last night I switched off as soon as I saw the part where
Nigel was taking Christine to task, I am sure that the bad set up of the show is majorly contributing to the effect in my living room
which has been one of trash tv, but having to be treated to these never ending scenes of vicious outbursts is not the sort of thing that I feel inspired to analyse more than once or twice in this show.

In my early teens, the best place to witness these sort of goings on from time to time , was the local off licence on the nearby street corner, where if us kids hung around for long enough,
the same scenes could be encountered at least once a week.
Im not looking down on anyone, although I was not an aggressor by any means, being there inevitably got me involved once or twice, and Im glad to say this does not apply to any later years of my life, and in this show, we are talking about grown adults, most of whom, save Nell so far, have a host of prejudices ranging from the extreme top end of the scale down through to petty annoyances even, that they comment on.

There was a tv programme a couple of years ago where
a group of children were left to their own devices entirely, in a house for a week I think it was, who yes, ended up splitting into groups and the expected range of behaviours, but they did not have any structure whatsoever to mark their time with, no tasks, no visits, nothing to get together to relate with, whatsoever except each other and the house and garden.
They did better behaviourally than this lot when push came to shove. Bearing in mind that those children had less history in their lives to relate with, they did much better.
In this 'celebs' show, a group of adults are not able to move on.
The show is crap, just like any business company would be if
all the staff were.
Sorry for the interruption, Im going to go and rattle around by myself in the BB3 forum!, and if I come across any of my own posts that I since have changed views on, I shall answer myself!!

Can I just say. There was fault on both sides - Nigel and Rhona. Rhona overreacted and so did Nigel. Rhona said some regretable things, so did Nigel, Christine shot her mouth of but she's learned her lesson now. We can all go round in circles over this (I believe the theory is that the first to stop loses ) but at the end of the day the problem is over, Everyone sorted out their difference and Darren sung a song.

Let's move on folks - If there is an argument tonight let's judge it on the merits of todays event..........

Mesostim