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Rhona Gone !!
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pony
30-08-2002
Nigel Benn controlled? Yeah right. It's not the end of the first week, and he's already fantasised on camera about how he'd like to behave in a physically violent manner to two female members of the camp.

He says he's a Christian? Then he should think about what that means.
johnno
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Dr Dave
From what we've seen I can't stand Rhona as a person but her feeling she can't stay in the camp because she is being intimidated by homophobics isn't funny at all. It's a disgrace!

Of course she's going to react badly when two blokes, one a pro boxer, keep shouting they'd like to deck her and the others fail to stand by her properly.

Admittedly the chances of her getting support would have been much greater if she hadn't been such a nightmare for the last few days but you can't pick and choose when to speak out about the kind of behaviour Nigel was exhibiting on the basis of whether you like his target or not!

As for Christine's insane decision to tell Rhona about Nigel's views and her subsequent silence when asked how Rhona found out......
”

I agree with almost all of that except in a way Rhona didn't help herself by directly challenging Nigel about his homophobia... we know we work with many people like Nigel but in fairness they do what he seems to have done and didn't make it an issue. Rhona made it an issue, egged on by Christine who must be feeling mighty sorry she opened her mouth. She hardly expected Rhona to attack Nigel so quickly, so openly. There is one thing you can also say about Rhona, she has no patience or discretion... if she was a bloke I'm afraid that she'd probably have a record for more than just yelling at people.

I also agree that what wasn't right was Nigel saying he would have thumped her had she been a bloke, and Darren saying he would too. But they were well provoked. Rhona has got away with a lot of insulting remarks because she is female. And I do NOT think this whole scenario would have arisen but for Rhona being the principle confrontional celeb in the pack. Can she come back? There is too much ill feeling now methinks. I honestly believe that had Rhona played differently, less aggressively, this wouldn't have all exploded so spectacularly.
metafis
30-08-2002
so, if they 'wouldnt really do it' why say it?. If URI had said it would Nigel Benn have knocked him out?. A professional boxer?. if so then he doesnt deserve the tag 'professional boxer'.
yes..its easy for Darrn bloody day to say the same thing to Rhona. 2 grown men threatening her like that, sorry but that was downright disgusting. oh we all moan about violence dont we, we all complain about the crime rate, yet when so called 'celebs' act like thugs it suddenly an attack of bleeeding hearts and 'oh ,but its understandable'.

pah..
Dr Dave
30-08-2002
I would have been only too happy for Rhona to go on the basis of her being an ego maniac control freak who is incapable of social interaction with people who don't cowtow to her.

As it is, though, she is plainly under the impression that the camp is actually unsafe - and this is a view shared by other celebs who expressed concern that Nigel in particular might get physical. I don't happen to think that he would but that's not really the point, it's not beyond the realms of possibility!

As for Rhona threatening Nigel - well yes she did but IMHO (and I'm sure Rhona herself wouldn't agree here) different standards apply between a very successful pro boxer and a five-foot nothing commedienne, however belligerent the latter may be.
faequeen
30-08-2002
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“Originally posted by studley


In this instance no because they would never do it. They are reacting that way (which is wrong I agree) because she has wound them up to the point where aggression will come, she was just as aggressive in my view and would certainly have used physical force had she been able.
”

Her fisticuffs episodes seem to be drink fuelled so the guys are safe for the minute.
mr_ray
30-08-2002
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“Originally posted by Barryoke
Christine Hamilton was spot on when she said that when Rhona goes it will be a happy camp. She has been at the centre of every arguement and I am amazed how controlled Nigel Benn has been considering the accusations that are being thrown his way. ”

I agreee totally.
Regarding Nigel, considering he's been called homophobic, had his religious beliefs ridiculed and taken the piss of by her, and she can't go five minutes without digging into him. She twists his words from "if you were I guy I would have hit you by now" to "I wish you were a guy so I could beat the crap out of you". He then says they shoyuld both just drop it and not talk to each other - the decent thing to do - but no, she carries on at him!!

And as for if she were to go it'd be a happy camp - I agree! This, however won't happen - let's face it, the majority of the public, like me and mist of us here, are finding this quite entertaining, and won't vote her off and ruin it all. Assuming Rhona doesn't ditch out I can see her sticking around for a while until people get bored of it.

Sadly, she'll probably see this non-voting-her-off as support for her insane bitch attacks though.
Barryoke
30-08-2002
Nigel Benn has been wound up and wound up countless times. It seems as if she is trying to see what will make him snap. Yet time and time again he was prepared to try to start afresh and get along where others (including Darren Day) would have given up long ago. So yes I do believe he has been fantastically controlled.
faequeen
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by johnno

if she was a bloke I'm afraid that she'd probably have a record for more than just yelling at people.
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She has as mentioned in another thread.
Don't let her size fool you.
Cybele
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by metafis
so, if they 'wouldnt really do it' why say it?. If URI had said it would Nigel Benn have knocked him out?. A professional boxer?. if so then he doesnt deserve the tag 'professional boxer'.
yes..its easy for Darrn bloody day to say the same thing to Rhona. 2 grown men threatening her like that, sorry but that was downright disgusting. oh we all moan about violence dont we, we all complain about the crime rate, yet when so called 'celebs' act like thugs it suddenly an attack of bleeeding hearts and 'oh ,but its understandable'.

pah..
”

I really don't see why you perceive it as a direct threat.
A threat would be "If you don't shut up I'm going to hit you"

Saying "if you were a man I would hit you" is not a threat. It's a verbal, and definitely not a physical, expression of frustration and anger.

I am not condoning violence , or the threat of violence, but this was neither. and Rhona said the same thing to them
By all accounts, from what people who actually know her have posted on this forum, she is fairly prone to violence herself, and her language is very violent.

I can't believe I 'm defending Nigel Benn, because I loathe him, but he was not threatening violence
johnno
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by metafis
so, if they 'wouldnt really do it' why say it?. If URI had said it would Nigel Benn have knocked him out?. A professional boxer?. if so then he doesnt deserve the tag 'professional boxer'.
yes..its easy for Darrn bloody day to say the same thing to Rhona. 2 grown men threatening her like that, sorry but that was downright disgusting. oh we all moan about violence dont we, we all complain about the crime rate, yet when so called 'celebs' act like thugs it suddenly an attack of bleeeding hearts and 'oh ,but its understandable'.

pah..
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no, there was no excuse for the threats being made - big big mistake. But Rhona did play her BIG part in all of this so she was not entirely an innocent party, altho I do want to say that being threatened with a thump was a very immature response, and not what you'd expect from someone whose faith tells him to turn the other cheek.... humility is not Nigels best side. And no, I don't think Nigel would have thumped Uri for making the same remarks... I think he might have threatened him tho'... Nigel has not done himself any favours either in all of this very true, or Darren Day.
studley
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by metafis
so, if they 'wouldnt really do it' why say it?.

pah..
”

Have you never in temper said you'd do something you had no intention whatever of actually doing? I know I have.
violet
30-08-2002
rhona is the only one not prepared to pander to nigel's need to dominate like kitten
tara , auntie christine,doddery tony,"can i be in your gang ?"darren and best not
rock the boat nell.Uri tried to assert himself to nigel and christine in rhona's
defence but for how long?Nigel is the worst kind of bully.A so called "christian "
self righteous inarticulate bigot.If christine thinks it would be a"happy camp"
if rhona goes and nigel stays she's in for a shock.Nigel needs to have alittle gang
of weak stupid followers and someone else to vent his inadequate disgusting
spleen on.If christine dares to critisise him it could be her.OOh ifeel much better
now.
pony
30-08-2002
Though actually I would have to question Christine's statement that if Rhona goes there will be a happy camp. I doubt it very much.

I hope Rhona pulls a Sandy and walks. She dosen't fit in, and it's not going to work now. For her sake and everyone else's, she should go.

But if people think Rhona leaving is going to improve the attitude of the three other stirrers in the camp, I would doubt it. They'll just find another scapegoat - although perhaps the next one will have a better idea of how to handle it.
dome
30-08-2002
The whole point being that to say you are ready to punch someones lights out and doing it is a whole different kettle of fish. They have both said this but IMHO it was said in the heat of the moment and neither of them would actually follow through.
It is no better a woman threatening this action than a man.
faequeen
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by studley


Have you never in temper said you'd do something you had no intention whatever of actually doing? I know I have.
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While reading this thread - I had a blinding illusion that 'we' were all in the jungle round the camp fire. Spooky!
ShuffleBoard
30-08-2002
I'm a big boxing fan and Nigel Benn is one of my sporting heroes. What a shame he is such an arse out of the ring. Rhona is spot on. He is a violent bully who masquerades as a Christian. Rhona sees right through him and is way too smart for him. Good on her.

I would like to see Darren Day go. Let's see how Nigel does without his sad little fan club.
Cybele
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by faequeen


While reading this thread - I had a blinding illusion that 'we' were all in the jungle round the camp fire. Spooky!
”

Chuck another log on the fire, would you, Fae...
Thanks

studley
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by ShuffleBoard
I'm a big boxing fan and Nigel Benn is one of my sporting heroes. What a shame he is such an arse out of the ring. Rhona is spot on. He is a violent bully who masquerades as a Christian. Rhona sees right through him and is way too smart for him. Good on her.

I would like to see Darren Day go. Let's see how Nigel does without his sad little fan club.
”

Yeah she's so smart she's hiding in a shed.
An arse Nigel may well be, violent bully? How's that then?
studley
30-08-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Cybele


Chuck another log on the fire, would you, Fae...
Thanks

”

Yeah and put the kettle on else I'll deck yer.


<Cybele, please tell me when fq's gone to the loo so I can come and get ma tea>
Dr Dave
30-08-2002
Be fair - Nigel hasn't actually done anything violent at all - and until tonights show I would have said he was overbearing but not a bully.
Victor
30-08-2002
Whether it was just a verbal or not there is still no excuse for behaving in that manner. Did you not see yesterdays show?Benn to Hamilton: 'You say that one more time and I'm gonna chin you'. Benn is a nasty, domineering bully and this whole born again Christian thing is a total sham.

Vic
Mesostim
30-08-2002
I'm sorry - Some of yo useem to be apologists for Nigels bullying. So what if you don't like Rhona - I don't care - you do not talk to a woman like that . If someone said that to my wife, my daughter or any friend of mine (I'd hit you if you were a man) that woul dbe threat enough for me to have to do something.
The crime of assault is not simply violence...It is the threat of violence. Nigel made threatening remarks and then invaded her personal space by apraoching then repeatedly pointing at her......this is an assault. She felt threatened, upset and confused. She didn't feel safe.
Worse yet there were two of them screaming at her. How much did it take for best mate Darren to kick in. Nigel can't hold his own then?
Christine Hamilton started it. She made the homophobic bible quotes (which she had clearly heard from Nigel - And this wasn't the first time the bible and homosexuals has been mentioned on the show - It has been discussed). She went on to lie about it - She knew what she'd done but she clearly wanted Rhona out.
The attitude of some of you makes me sick. Someone on a charity show feel sto scared to sleep in an open camp and you're laughing. This is a sad day for TV...............
Imaceleb2
30-08-2002
Is Rhona really a comedienne?
johnno
30-08-2002
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“Originally posted by Mesostim
I'm sorry - Some of yo useem to be apologists for Nigels bullying. So what if you don't like Rhona - I don't care - you do not talk to a woman like that . If someone said that to my wife, my daughter or any friend of mine (I'd hit you if you were a man) that would be threat enough for me to have to do something. ”

what would you do then?
ShuffleBoard
30-08-2002
Come on Studley, Rhona is clearly smart. As she said herself "Don't mess with me cos' I'm pretty f***ing eloquent". Sure she's antagonistic, but smart as hell.

Nigel is clearly a bully. He is physically very confrontational, keeps his violent side very close to the surface and is at his worst when made to look intellectually stupid. A classic bully.
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