He's worse than me!

BT and Telewest got shut of the National call rate quite some time ago.


QUOTE=BexTech]Yes, he is talking utter waffle.

Since when has 7.51p/min been the national rate of 3p/min, or 3.75p/min been 5.5p for up to 1 hour.

For the vast majority of people they can NOT get any price plan lower than BT Together 1, that is their standard plan.[/quote]

Why is BT Together Option1 the 'standard' plan? It may be the lowest price price plan that BT offer to its residential customers who also have other services, but that does not make it the standard. Furthermore, the calls that they charge on that special price plan is also not the 'standard'.

Don't forget BT Together Option 3 customers pay 0p per minute for all their calls to 01/02 numbers - so I guess any chargeable call is a premium rate call.

Not that I'm suggesting anyone takes the BT Together Option 3 tarriff.

...in the same way as I wouldn't suggest my neighbour moves off the BT Light User Scheme tariff she's on. Not sure how she could dial 01/02 numbers at the discounted rates applicable only to BT Together customers though.

Unfortunately she has to pay the BT 'normal' rates for any calls she makes, which as I said is the same price as 0870 for national calls and the same price as 0845 numbers for local calls.

Btw, even if I did accept your suggestion, what about those 0844 calls charged at 1p per minute at all times.

Are they premium rate at weekday daytime when calls cost 01/02 calls cost 3p per minute? Nope, maybe not.

What about in the evening/weekends. Only if the call length is longer than 5 minutes does it become a premium rate call?...but then again if the call is longer than about 90 mins, it becomes cheaper than 01/02 calls

(You can also say the same for an 0870 number called at the weekend that lasts at least 2 hours- then it is actually cheaper to use the 0870 number )

I think I'll stick with the "drivel" and "waffle" that ICSTIS state - at least it's easier to understand.

A premium rate service is one where the number starts 09. It will cost between 10p and £1.50 per minute

Now thats premium rates!

[/quote]Maybe you need to tell BT that - that's not what they say.

Have you checked the BT prices (see link in my earlier post) for BT customers not on a BT Together price plan?

BT did no such thing. They still have national rate charges.

Cheers timboy - direct from the horses mouth, so to speak

Oi, I look nowt like Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

No probs.

Dawson you really are in some world of your own!

You seem to mix what some of use are posting in with the waffle you are making up, try to make out or imply that was what we are saying.

Everyone knows you haven't a clue, so why not just give up now.

You need to read this carefully, its direct from BT's website:



Option 1 – The hour plan

With national and local calls at the same rates, you can call anywhere in the UK† at evenings and weekends for just 5.5p for up to an hour per call.

Only 5.5p for evening and weekends calls you make in the UK† - for up to an hour each call
3p a minute for daytime calls anywhere in the UK†
Only £11.00* per month if paying by Monthly Payment Plan or Direct Debit, includes rental of your first line


Don’t miss these great additional benefits

Every BT Together pricing option also offers you:

Great rates on all calls you make to UK mobiles
Reduced evening and weekend rates to our 13 most popular international destinations
An Additional 10% discount on five Friends & Family Overseas numbers
Extra ways to save on Mobile, international and Internet calls with a range of add-ons

Get up to 100 (with Option 2) or 200 (with Option 3) inclusive texts each month.
Find out more


Terms and conditions


* Only available if you pay by Direct Debit or Monthly Payment Plan. Add £1 if you pay any other way. Monthly Payment Plan subject to status. Written quotation available on request. The monthly Payment Plan will include the monthly fee of any product or service you’ve ordered PLUS estimated call spend. Monthly amounts may vary. Lower rental is subject to payment of any outstanding bills required. BT reserves the right to bill separately any charges due in respect of any service provided or equipment supplied.

Numbers prefixed 0845, 0870, Internet calls, Premium Rate Services, mobile numbers, information and paging services are excluded. Other exclusions and terms and conditions apply.

†UK calls means local and national calls. Exclusions apply.



You see, this is the only residential tariff that does not give you unlimited calls and BT charges its customers 3p per minute during the day for calls to any UK landline, so if I was to call from London on a BT line with Together option 1 to a geographical landline in Manchester, it will cost 3p per minute. This call would be classed as National call, but there is no such thing as a local rate as BT charge just one National rate on this tariff. Companies which call 0870 numbers National Rate are misleading. There is no local and national rate on BT Residential!

Companies which charge seperate rates for calls to geographical landlines:

NTL Talk Unlimited Local
One Tel
Spectrum Interactive payphones (New World)

I cannot make this any clearer!

What exactly have I made up.?

The only made up bits in this thread seem to be those who wrongly classify numbers that do not begin 09 as premium rate numbers

As I previously posted, a 2 hour call at the weekend using a number you wrongly describe as premium rate (0870), is in fact cheaper than a 2 hour call (01/02) at the weekend using the special BT Together price plan you appear to have decided is the 'standard'!

Ok there timboy.

You have BT broadband, this means you are not allowed to have BT light user scheme, therefore the lowest service you can have from BT is BT Together 1.

Therefore your local and national calls (01 and 02) are 3p/min daytime, it is not possible for you to pay more than this with BT.

However so called national rate 0870 numbers are 7.51p/min.

Maybe you have been brainwashed into beliving 0870 is at national rate.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/mofaq/...s/nts/#content

1. How will Ofcom’s proposals address consumers’ concerns about the high costs of calling NTS numbers, especially 0870?
All communications providers would be required to charge customers exactly the same rate for 0870 calls as they do for national geographic calls or to make an announcement stating the call price. Ofcom expects that most communications providers would choose to charge 0870 calls at their geographic rates.

For example under Ofcom’s new proposals, BT customers on the BT Together Option 1 package would pay only 3p per minute for a daytime call to 0870, instead of the current 7.5p per minute charge.

Ofcom also proposes to withdraw the regulatory support for revenue sharing on 0870.

The Arriva travel company who used an 0871 number classed this as a National rate number!!!

Ofcom class 0871 numbers as soft premium rate because most network operators such as mobile operators and Voip charge 35p to 75p per minute to call this number.

Whilst from landlines it should cost no more than 10p per minute plus a call connection charge depending on who you use for phone service.

No Bex, I haven't been brainwashed at all.

I merely pointed out out that the 'national rate' still exists for calls to 01 and 02 numbers and it does.

Give me strength!

It does not exist on BT not even from BT payphones!!!

Read my above post properly.

From the ICSTIS site:
(no future proposals here, this is current fact)

what are premium rate services?

how do you recognise premium rate services?

how much do premium rate services cost

Come on please tell me what that national rate is?????

Yes, it is 3p/min daytime, the same rate as local daytime calls.

BT charge for calls to 01 and 02 numbers:

01 and 02 national and local daytime 3p/min.
01 and 02 national and local evening and weekends 5.5p for and hour.

Now if you are on BT Together 2 or 3 (which I wouldn't advise, cheaper alternatives elsewhere) then the rates will be cheaper, but that we can class as discounted rates, and BT 1 as the standard rate, as it is not possible for you to get a lower service than BT 1.

Yet, 0870 which is advertised as national rate is 7.51p/minute.


It does look like the BT national rate brainwashing is working on you.

Thats because your looking at the wrong article.

Ofcom are dealing with the future of non-geographical numbers.

These are the plans:

Introduce a non-geographical number begining 03 that is a National number(As in Nationwide) that is charged the same rate as a call between geographical landlines and whoever owns the 03 number will not be collecting revenue from it. This may well be used by Goverment departments.

Change 070 numbers to numbers to the 06 range so that they can be easily identified.

Change 0871 numbers into 09 range as they are soft premium rate numbers.

There are plans ahead for 0844,0845 and 0870 numbers which have not been decided on yet.

Ofcom is cracking down on the companies who use 0870 numbers and deliberately keep callers on hold whilst commision rolls in.

I know it doesn't exist on payphones, they have totally different rates.

It doesn't get away from the FACT that some customer still pay the 'national rate' charge for calls to numbers that begin 01 and 02.


http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/c....boo/00161.htm

Read this page, looks like it DOES exist doesn't it?

Yes that is what the telecom service classes as premium rate, as that is what that set that range of numbers up as.

That doesn't alter the fact that calling 0870 and 0871 is dearer than calling standard national numbers, and therefore we are paying a premium, you can act the fool as much as you want, but you can't alter the fact we are paying a premium over the cost of a standard national (which is the same cost as local) call.

Have you just ignored what I said because you don't like being wrong?

Did you notice something there!!

Light User Scheme

Are you able to get Light User Scheme, no you can't, so those rates can't and don't apply.

That's the rate that applies BT Residential customers who are on BT Together Option 1 or Option 2 tariffs.

It only applies to BT Option 3 customers where the call length extends beyond 60 minutes

It does not apply to BT Residential Customers that are not on BT Together Option price plan.. I've posted the respective prices for those cutomers previously and they are the same as dialling 0870 numbers.

As I've said I've not even looked at non-residential BT customer charges.

Yes and how many times do you need telling that unless you are on LUS which you can NOT get if you have broadband, a mobile or other restrictions, you can't be on any other tariff lower than BT 1!

God give me strength.

What's it got to do with what timboy can obtain.

Light User Scheme is available to all BT residential customers, providing they meet BT's terms and conditions.

Jesus, don't you get it? It doesn't matter if I can or can't get calls at that rate.

The fact is some customers can.

That is what I have said all along. The 'national rate' still exists and I have proven it does. Doesn't really get any clearer than that.