Samsung HD Ready Slimfit CRT: New Information

counterstrike · 06-04-2006, 11:59

I contacted Samsung UK and they said that the HD Ready Slimfit CRT TV they have coming out in May is designated as model WS32Z409T (Not CTV-32Z30)

This model will launch in May in the UK at around £500.

If you do a Google search for WS32Z409T you get a few French web pages that relate to this model number

Dan27 · 06-04-2006, 12:24

£500. Typical.. I wonder what happened to the £350..

Stig · 06-04-2006, 12:43

Here is a (bad) translation of one of the French pages:

Strong points:
Tube flat SlimFit. 82cm
HD READY, compatible 720p/1080i
Image processing 100Hz Natural Scan
Connector industry HDMI and component

Image:
Tube 16/9 SlimFit.: 32 inches (82 cm)
100Hz Natural Scan
Format of the image: 16/9, Zoom and Wide
Compatible signals HD: 720p/1080i
Nb of programs: 100
Function Plug and Play
Automatic installation ATS
Text: 750 pages
Audio:
Its: SRS TruSurround
Audio power (RMS): 2 X 10 Watts
Sound: Music, Cin?, Standard, Word, Personnel
Graphic equalizer
Electronics:
Syst? TV: STAKE B/G, D/K, I, I/I' /SECAM B/G, D/K, L/L'
Vid Reading?: NTSC
Connector industries:
Entr?/V (Cinch - lat?le): 1
Entr?Y/C (S-vid : 1
Entr?Antenne: 1
Entr?Composante: 1
P?tel Catch: 2
Entr?HDMI: 1
Various:
Graphic posting?'?an: OSD
Clock, timer, programmable day before: 180 min
Power pack: AC 23OV, 5O/6OHz
Consumption marche/veille: 160W/3W
Dimensions (LxHxD): 910 X 570 X 415 mm
Weight: 53,2 kg
Colour: Black/silver
Remote: TM86

There is a French data sheet available at http://www.samsung.com/fr/products/t.../ws32z409t.pdf

What stands out to me is the depth of 415mm which seems quite big to me!

craggers · 06-04-2006, 13:19

yeah sounds only about 10cm shorter than a regular CRT...

Warbie · 06-04-2006, 14:06

.... which is good for those who aren't bothered about the depth of the tv, but are concerned about geometry issues (coreect me if i'm wrong, i'm new to all this)

late8 · 06-04-2006, 20:31

Looks like they have changed the design of the new TV compared to the HD version at Cbit. £500 isnt as good as £350 especially if it still has issues.

evanzo · 07-04-2006, 17:54

I knew the £350 suggested price tag was bullshit. It would hurt LCD sales too much. At £500 this tv is going to be a failure as it does not compare favourably to LCD's available.

mossy2103 · 07-04-2006, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by evanzo

I knew the £350 suggested price tag was bullshit. It would hurt LCD sales too much. At £500 this tv is going to be a failure as it does not compare favourably to LCD's available.

It might not be a total failure if the picture quality is better than that of an LCD (which really shouldn't be too difficult as it's a CRT), but ultimately in the shops people are generally going to compare on price.

m_l · 07-04-2006, 18:12

yeah, £500, forget it - £350 I'll take two..... What's interesting is the amount of griping on the other thread about the pro's and cons of this TV versus LCD equivalents etc "bendy" pictures, what kind of black is proper black and so on but the main point is that this TV is perfect for the stop gap before you go all out and blow the big money on the perfect spec LCD or whatever, 1080p SEO or something which is coming next year. Mind you that was at the £350 price.... anyway, another thing mentioned in the other thread was that there were other HDTV CRT's out there - anybody know of any available in Europe?

evanzo · 07-04-2006, 18:48

HD CRT sets have been very purposefully kept out of the UK market to push the ever naive UK consumer into paying through the nose for overpriced technology. Seems samsung forgot they were entering this product into the UK market and when they realised thought they could up the price £150.

amstereofan · 07-04-2006, 21:57

Surely this CRT has to be a winner as normal SD TV will look far better on it than an LCD or plasma upscaled etc ? This is the main reason which puts me off buying LCD/plasma, SD pictures will look like VHS quality

I think if the Samsung includes freeview also it is a good price but even if not it's not a bad deal. This is new technology remember

Bit odd that it is available in France now but not in the UK ? I'm wondering if the UK version will be slightly different with features like the multi standard tuner 'left out' etc ?

evanzo · 08-04-2006, 01:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by amstereofan

Surely this CRT has to be a winner as normal SD TV will look far better on it than an LCD or plasma upscaled etc ? This is the main reason which puts me off buying LCD/plasma, SD pictures will look like VHS quality

I think if the Samsung includes freeview also it is a good price but even if not it's not a bad deal. This is new technology remember

New technology? It's a slightly reengineered CRT.

Bit odd that it is available in France now but not in the UK ? I'm wondering if the UK version will be slightly different with features like the multi standard tuner 'left out' etc ?

Theyhave to remove a bunch of featues from to UK version and figure out how much they can jack the price up

Hitchcock · 08-04-2006, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig

Here is a (bad) translation of one of the French pages:

Strong points:
Tube flat SlimFit. 82cm
HD READY, compatible 720p/1080i
Image processing 100Hz Natural Scan
Connector industry HDMI and component

Image:
Tube 16/9 SlimFit.: 32 inches (82 cm)
100Hz Natural Scan
Format of the image: 16/9, Zoom and Wide
Compatible signals HD: 720p/1080i
Nb of programs: 100
(...)

What do they mean by 100 Hz Natural scan? What's so "natural" about it? (They should call it more appropriately 100 Hz ARTIFICIAL scan.)

craggers · 08-04-2006, 17:07

im still gonna take a look at it when it is launched, see what it is like

RowanDDR · 08-04-2006, 18:01

For me the main benefit of getting a HD CRT would be that there is no fixed naitive resolution. But I've just read some comments in the following thread that suggest that these SlimFit TVs just scale everything up to 1080i anyway! Surely not?

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...d.php?t=362645

Can anyone confirm/deny this?

amstereofan · 08-04-2006, 18:16

32" is too smal for HD anyway really

Stig · 08-04-2006, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by amstereofan

32" is too smal for HD anyway really

My notebook PC has a 15" screen with 1600 x 1200 resolution. So, why is 32" too small for 1366 x 768?

Hitchcock · 09-04-2006, 00:55

I'd say it depends how far away from the screen you are watching. Obviously the distance you watch the screen on your notebook from (1-2 feet normally – I would reckon) is not the distance you'd prefer to watch the TV in your living room from (that would be more like 5-15 feet?).

amstereofan · 10-04-2006, 00:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig

My notebook PC has a 15" screen with 1600 x 1200 resolution. So, why is 32" too small for 1366 x 768?

Size matters with HD

steveyboybmth · 10-04-2006, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by amstereofan

Size matters with HD

rubbish WMV HD and Quicktime HD looks gorgeous on my 20" monitor! infact because the picture is so sharp and clear, you don't need the extra size!

amstereofan · 10-04-2006, 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveyboybmth

rubbish WMV HD and Quicktime HD looks gorgeous on my 20" monitor! infact because the picture is so sharp and clear, you don't need the extra size!

Well if you think they look good on your 20" monitor think how good they'll look on a screen twice the size

tigertimtim · 16-04-2006, 18:03

32" Pureflat Slimfit HD Ready 16:9 CRT, 100Hz, Nicam Stereo, Telextext, HDMI x 1, Compnent x 1, 720P x 1080i, Cabinet stand included. £422.86

on one retailers site so the price isnt going to be too bad, just have to wait to see the picture quality

amstereofan · 16-04-2006, 18:16

Where did you see £422 ? PRC shows £429 but free delivery

tigertimtim · 16-04-2006, 18:39

did a google , it was Robinsons Electric

counterstrike · 17-04-2006, 00:03

For anybody who’s interested here’s the link for Prc direct from the AV Forums

http://ws1.prcdirect.co.uk/showprodu...id=WS32Z409TQX

06-04-2006, 11:59	#1
counterstrike Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 43	Samsung HD Ready Slimfit CRT: New Information I contacted Samsung UK and they said that the HD Ready Slimfit CRT TV they have coming out in May is designated as model WS32Z409T (Not CTV-32Z30) This model will launch in May in the UK at around £500. If you do a Google search for WS32Z409T you get a few French web pages that relate to this model number

06-04-2006, 12:24	#2
Dan27 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: By The Sea Posts: 9,574	£500. Typical.. I wonder what happened to the £350..

06-04-2006, 12:43	#3
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,385	Here is a (bad) translation of one of the French pages: Strong points: Tube flat SlimFit. 82cm HD READY, compatible 720p/1080i Image processing 100Hz Natural Scan Connector industry HDMI and component Image: Tube 16/9 SlimFit.: 32 inches (82 cm) 100Hz Natural Scan Format of the image: 16/9, Zoom and Wide Compatible signals HD: 720p/1080i Nb of programs: 100 Function Plug and Play Automatic installation ATS Text: 750 pages Audio: Its: SRS TruSurround Audio power (RMS): 2 X 10 Watts Sound: Music, Cin?, Standard, Word, Personnel Graphic equalizer Electronics: Syst? TV: STAKE B/G, D/K, I, I/I' /SECAM B/G, D/K, L/L' Vid Reading?: NTSC Connector industries: Entr?/V (Cinch - lat?le): 1 Entr?Y/C (S-vid : 1 Entr?Antenne: 1 Entr?Composante: 1 P?tel Catch: 2 Entr?HDMI: 1 Various: Graphic posting?'?an: OSD Clock, timer, programmable day before: 180 min Power pack: AC 23OV, 5O/6OHz Consumption marche/veille: 160W/3W Dimensions (LxHxD): 910 X 570 X 415 mm Weight: 53,2 kg Colour: Black/silver Remote: TM86 There is a French data sheet available at http://www.samsung.com/fr/products/t.../ws32z409t.pdf What stands out to me is the depth of 415mm which seems quite big to me!

06-04-2006, 13:19	#4
craggers Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Preston Posts: 3,605	yeah sounds only about 10cm shorter than a regular CRT...

06-04-2006, 14:06	#5
Warbie Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3	.... which is good for those who aren't bothered about the depth of the tv, but are concerned about geometry issues (coreect me if i'm wrong, i'm new to all this)

06-04-2006, 20:31	#6
late8 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,052	Looks like they have changed the design of the new TV compared to the HD version at Cbit. £500 isnt as good as £350 especially if it still has issues.

07-04-2006, 17:54	#7
evanzo Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 199	I knew the £350 suggested price tag was bullshit. It would hurt LCD sales too much. At £500 this tv is going to be a failure as it does not compare favourably to LCD's available.

07-04-2006, 17:57	#8
mossy2103 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 68,710	Quote: Originally Posted by evanzo I knew the £350 suggested price tag was bullshit. It would hurt LCD sales too much. At £500 this tv is going to be a failure as it does not compare favourably to LCD's available. It might not be a total failure if the picture quality is better than that of an LCD (which really shouldn't be too difficult as it's a CRT), but ultimately in the shops people are generally going to compare on price.

07-04-2006, 18:12	#9
m_l Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: london Posts: 570	yeah, £500, forget it - £350 I'll take two..... What's interesting is the amount of griping on the other thread about the pro's and cons of this TV versus LCD equivalents etc "bendy" pictures, what kind of black is proper black and so on but the main point is that this TV is perfect for the stop gap before you go all out and blow the big money on the perfect spec LCD or whatever, 1080p SEO or something which is coming next year. Mind you that was at the £350 price.... anyway, another thing mentioned in the other thread was that there were other HDTV CRT's out there - anybody know of any available in Europe?

07-04-2006, 18:48	#10
evanzo Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 199	HD CRT sets have been very purposefully kept out of the UK market to push the ever naive UK consumer into paying through the nose for overpriced technology. Seems samsung forgot they were entering this product into the UK market and when they realised thought they could up the price £150.

07-04-2006, 21:57	#11
amstereofan Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,741	Surely this CRT has to be a winner as normal SD TV will look far better on it than an LCD or plasma upscaled etc ? This is the main reason which puts me off buying LCD/plasma, SD pictures will look like VHS quality I think if the Samsung includes freeview also it is a good price but even if not it's not a bad deal. This is new technology remember Bit odd that it is available in France now but not in the UK ? I'm wondering if the UK version will be slightly different with features like the multi standard tuner 'left out' etc ?

08-04-2006, 01:45	#12
evanzo Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 199	Quote: Originally Posted by amstereofan Surely this CRT has to be a winner as normal SD TV will look far better on it than an LCD or plasma upscaled etc ? This is the main reason which puts me off buying LCD/plasma, SD pictures will look like VHS quality I think if the Samsung includes freeview also it is a good price but even if not it's not a bad deal. This is new technology remember New technology? It's a slightly reengineered CRT. Bit odd that it is available in France now but not in the UK ? I'm wondering if the UK version will be slightly different with features like the multi standard tuner 'left out' etc ? Theyhave to remove a bunch of featues from to UK version and figure out how much they can jack the price up

08-04-2006, 14:06	#13
Hitchcock Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 344	Quote: Originally Posted by Stig Here is a (bad) translation of one of the French pages: Strong points: Tube flat SlimFit. 82cm HD READY, compatible 720p/1080i Image processing 100Hz Natural Scan Connector industry HDMI and component Image: Tube 16/9 SlimFit.: 32 inches (82 cm) 100Hz Natural Scan Format of the image: 16/9, Zoom and Wide Compatible signals HD: 720p/1080i Nb of programs: 100 (...) What do they mean by 100 Hz Natural scan? What's so "natural" about it? (They should call it more appropriately 100 Hz ARTIFICIAL scan.)

08-04-2006, 17:07	#14
craggers Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Preston Posts: 3,605	im still gonna take a look at it when it is launched, see what it is like

08-04-2006, 18:01	#15
RowanDDR Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kingston Upon Thames Posts: 56	For me the main benefit of getting a HD CRT would be that there is no fixed naitive resolution. But I've just read some comments in the following thread that suggest that these SlimFit TVs just scale everything up to 1080i anyway! Surely not? http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...d.php?t=362645 Can anyone confirm/deny this?

08-04-2006, 18:16	#16
amstereofan Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,741	32" is too smal for HD anyway really

08-04-2006, 21:05	#17
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,385	Quote: Originally Posted by amstereofan 32" is too smal for HD anyway really My notebook PC has a 15" screen with 1600 x 1200 resolution. So, why is 32" too small for 1366 x 768?

09-04-2006, 00:55	#18
Hitchcock Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 344	I'd say it depends how far away from the screen you are watching. Obviously the distance you watch the screen on your notebook from (1-2 feet normally – I would reckon) is not the distance you'd prefer to watch the TV in your living room from (that would be more like 5-15 feet?).

10-04-2006, 00:23	#19
amstereofan Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,741	Quote: Originally Posted by Stig My notebook PC has a 15" screen with 1600 x 1200 resolution. So, why is 32" too small for 1366 x 768? Size matters with HD

10-04-2006, 00:35	#20
steveyboybmth Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 3,463	Quote: Originally Posted by amstereofan Size matters with HD rubbish WMV HD and Quicktime HD looks gorgeous on my 20" monitor! infact because the picture is so sharp and clear, you don't need the extra size!

10-04-2006, 00:46	#21
amstereofan Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,741	Quote: Originally Posted by steveyboybmth rubbish WMV HD and Quicktime HD looks gorgeous on my 20" monitor! infact because the picture is so sharp and clear, you don't need the extra size! Well if you think they look good on your 20" monitor think how good they'll look on a screen twice the size

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Samsung HD Ready Slimfit CRT: New Information

16-04-2006, 18:03	#22
tigertimtim Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	32" Pureflat Slimfit HD Ready 16:9 CRT, 100Hz, Nicam Stereo, Telextext, HDMI x 1, Compnent x 1, 720P x 1080i, Cabinet stand included. £422.86 on one retailers site so the price isnt going to be too bad, just have to wait to see the picture quality

16-04-2006, 18:16	#23
amstereofan Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,741	Where did you see £422 ? PRC shows £429 but free delivery

16-04-2006, 18:39	#24
tigertimtim Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 430	did a google , it was Robinsons Electric

17-04-2006, 00:03	#25
counterstrike Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 43	For anybody who’s interested here’s the link for Prc direct from the AV Forums http://ws1.prcdirect.co.uk/showprodu...id=WS32Z409TQX