Response time

Jacko51 · 10-04-2006, 11:52

We are looking to buy a new 32"(?) LCD HD and have signed up with Sky for the HD package when it becomes available. Trouble is, we keep changing our minds about what to buy.

We have Sky mainly for sport, especially football and cricket, so we are particularly concerned not to get the problems that are associated with some old LCD pictures of blurry images when the ball is moving fast. It seems that response time is very important in producing high quality pictures of this sort of fast moving action.

Does anyone have any advice to offer on this and where on earth can I find out the response times for different televisions - the manufacturers' websites don't seem much help.

We are considering in particular the Sony KLDV32A12U and the Pansonic TX32LXD60.

Jaycee Dove · 10-04-2006, 14:48

We are in a very similar position and the Panasonic gives the best pictures of the ones I have seen on display. Its response time is 8 mps or something (I gather the lower the better) but its hard to find similar details on other sets.

Is there a comparison list anywhere?

The Panasonic scores on having twin HDMI and is HDCP enabled. I think these seem important.

Also crucial is how good an HDTV is when used to view SD as it will be a lot in the early days. This is not something ever mentioned in the specs! Any tips on which LCDs are best as we keep getting told that LCDs will not compare with CRTs for ordinary TV.

If I have followed the comments rightly on other threads having an integrated Freeview to wath SD direct helps a lot. The Panasonic has this.

But any other advice or recommendations (up to a budget of around £1300) would be really useful. Have SKY HD install set for May 23 so need to get that LCD delivered!

fat controller · 10-04-2006, 15:46

We're at the stage of looking at these now, and oddly enough had set our hearts on the Sony (I'd admit to being a bit bias toward Sony) - this was until we had a decent demo of them side by side, and we found that the Panasonic had the slight edge for picture in both SD & HD, and really blew the Sony out of the water in terms of sound quality. The twin HDMI was the final bonus for us, so I reckon that we're having the Pan.

stubob · 10-04-2006, 19:14

Have you not considered the new Samsung range. Due out at the end of the week.

Here's the 32"

These have 8ms refresh rates and the contrast ratio is good too.

I was considering one of the older models of the Samsung this one but think I might wait for a while now.

I'm indecisive at the moment because of all the reports on how bad SD Tv is on them. We need to replace our lounge Tv for a larger one having moved recently.

I will get Sky HD but not for a while yet, and it seems stupid to buy an LCD if the SD broadcasts aren't very good on them.

But then I don't want to buy a CRT really.

The Samsung HD CRT will be interesting when that comes out. Think I'll wait until then.

Stu

upnunder · 11-04-2006, 09:43

I bought one of the older Samsungs a couple of weeks ago and I am very happy with it.

I got it

here

It has the built in Freeview tuner.

Refresh rate is 8mps

As long as you use the best possible connections, the picture is very good.
I use RGB scart from my Sky box, and a normal scart from DVD.
I dont have a component DVD, but the TV does support component and hdmi inputs.

cheers

James

stubob · 11-04-2006, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by upnunder

I bought one of the older Samsungs a couple of weeks ago and I am very happy with it.

I got it

here

It has the built in Freeview tuner.

Refresh rate is 8mps

As long as you use the best possible connections, the picture is very good.
I use RGB scart from my Sky box, and a normal scart from DVD.
I dont have a component DVD, but the TV does support component and hdmi inputs.

cheers

James

That's the one I'm interested in. It's 799 delivered from Play now.

My friend has the 40" one and said that the picture is quite bad with Sky, but perhaps that's his setup.

I'm a bit confused about RGB scart so will have to look into that..!

Thanks
Stu

upnunder · 11-04-2006, 11:41

The picture from Sky is fine, a little grainy if you sit too close to the TV, but from a normal viewing distance 6 feet+, it is fine.

DVD is also good.

It is important to buy decent scart leads though.
The ones I bought were about £30 each.

As far as the RGB thing.

Plug your Sky box into EXT1 on the TV, and change the output on Sky to RGB instead of PAL, you will notice a big difference.

stubob · 11-04-2006, 13:55

Thanks upnunder, just the advice I needed.

Stu

late8 · 11-04-2006, 15:22

Why does changing the output from PAL to RGB make the picture better?. I thought PAL was better than RGB. If i do this on my CRT, the colours look hazy and the sharpness + brightness goes too, it looks like old American programs.

A-Friend · 11-04-2006, 15:54

late8 - did you change BOTH the output AND the input settings to RGB?

partridge · 11-04-2006, 16:20

yeah, when using Scart always set the source device and the tv (if it needs to be set) to RGB

Better picture all round.

CRT tvs often have a scart or two that can accept RGB, so with your device set to ouput RGB, connect it via a scart on your tv that receives RGB.

Job done!

10-04-2006, 11:52	#1
Jacko51 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 17	Response time We are looking to buy a new 32"(?) LCD HD and have signed up with Sky for the HD package when it becomes available. Trouble is, we keep changing our minds about what to buy. We have Sky mainly for sport, especially football and cricket, so we are particularly concerned not to get the problems that are associated with some old LCD pictures of blurry images when the ball is moving fast. It seems that response time is very important in producing high quality pictures of this sort of fast moving action. Does anyone have any advice to offer on this and where on earth can I find out the response times for different televisions - the manufacturers' websites don't seem much help. We are considering in particular the Sony KLDV32A12U and the Pansonic TX32LXD60.

10-04-2006, 14:48	#2
Jaycee Dove Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,680	We are in a very similar position and the Panasonic gives the best pictures of the ones I have seen on display. Its response time is 8 mps or something (I gather the lower the better) but its hard to find similar details on other sets. Is there a comparison list anywhere? The Panasonic scores on having twin HDMI and is HDCP enabled. I think these seem important. Also crucial is how good an HDTV is when used to view SD as it will be a lot in the early days. This is not something ever mentioned in the specs! Any tips on which LCDs are best as we keep getting told that LCDs will not compare with CRTs for ordinary TV. If I have followed the comments rightly on other threads having an integrated Freeview to wath SD direct helps a lot. The Panasonic has this. But any other advice or recommendations (up to a budget of around £1300) would be really useful. Have SKY HD install set for May 23 so need to get that LCD delivered!

10-04-2006, 15:46	#3
fat controller Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Slightly round the bend Posts: 12,685	We're at the stage of looking at these now, and oddly enough had set our hearts on the Sony (I'd admit to being a bit bias toward Sony) - this was until we had a decent demo of them side by side, and we found that the Panasonic had the slight edge for picture in both SD & HD, and really blew the Sony out of the water in terms of sound quality. The twin HDMI was the final bonus for us, so I reckon that we're having the Pan.

10-04-2006, 19:14	#4
stubob Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Midsomer Norton, Bath Posts: 246	Have you not considered the new Samsung range. Due out at the end of the week. Here's the 32" These have 8ms refresh rates and the contrast ratio is good too. I was considering one of the older models of the Samsung this one but think I might wait for a while now. I'm indecisive at the moment because of all the reports on how bad SD Tv is on them. We need to replace our lounge Tv for a larger one having moved recently. I will get Sky HD but not for a while yet, and it seems stupid to buy an LCD if the SD broadcasts aren't very good on them. But then I don't want to buy a CRT really. The Samsung HD CRT will be interesting when that comes out. Think I'll wait until then. Stu

11-04-2006, 09:43	#5
upnunder Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Derbyshire, Uk Posts: 2,288	I bought one of the older Samsungs a couple of weeks ago and I am very happy with it. I got it here It has the built in Freeview tuner. Refresh rate is 8mps As long as you use the best possible connections, the picture is very good. I use RGB scart from my Sky box, and a normal scart from DVD. I dont have a component DVD, but the TV does support component and hdmi inputs. cheers James

11-04-2006, 09:53	#6
stubob Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Midsomer Norton, Bath Posts: 246	Quote: Originally Posted by upnunder I bought one of the older Samsungs a couple of weeks ago and I am very happy with it. I got it here It has the built in Freeview tuner. Refresh rate is 8mps As long as you use the best possible connections, the picture is very good. I use RGB scart from my Sky box, and a normal scart from DVD. I dont have a component DVD, but the TV does support component and hdmi inputs. cheers James That's the one I'm interested in. It's 799 delivered from Play now. My friend has the 40" one and said that the picture is quite bad with Sky, but perhaps that's his setup. I'm a bit confused about RGB scart so will have to look into that..! Thanks Stu

11-04-2006, 11:41	#7
upnunder Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Derbyshire, Uk Posts: 2,288	The picture from Sky is fine, a little grainy if you sit too close to the TV, but from a normal viewing distance 6 feet+, it is fine. DVD is also good. It is important to buy decent scart leads though. The ones I bought were about £30 each. As far as the RGB thing. Plug your Sky box into EXT1 on the TV, and change the output on Sky to RGB instead of PAL, you will notice a big difference.

11-04-2006, 13:55	#8
stubob Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Midsomer Norton, Bath Posts: 246	Thanks upnunder, just the advice I needed. Stu

11-04-2006, 15:22	#9
late8 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,052	Why does changing the output from PAL to RGB make the picture better?. I thought PAL was better than RGB. If i do this on my CRT, the colours look hazy and the sharpness + brightness goes too, it looks like old American programs.

11-04-2006, 15:54	#10
A-Friend Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,378	late8 - did you change BOTH the output AND the input settings to RGB?

11-04-2006, 16:20	#11
partridge Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: East Anglia Posts: 730	yeah, when using Scart always set the source device and the tv (if it needs to be set) to RGB Better picture all round. CRT tvs often have a scart or two that can accept RGB, so with your device set to ouput RGB, connect it via a scart on your tv that receives RGB. Job done!

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