The Borg were obviously modelled to a great extent on the cybermen, can anyone think of anything else "stolen" by Trek or any other pprogram?
Cyberman = Borg, any other Dr Who things pinched by Trek?
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Originally Posted by salochin:
“The Borg were obviously modelled to a great extent on the cybermen, can anyone think of anything else "stolen" by Trek or any other pprogram?”
“The Borg were obviously modelled to a great extent on the cybermen, can anyone think of anything else "stolen" by Trek or any other pprogram?”
Someone mentioned the teleport was nicked from Who in a previous thread.
in one episode of star trek all the names of the people who had played doctor who appeared on one of the screens.
Originally Posted by redbeefy:
“How about in Voyager. A Doctor that has no name and is only ever referred to as "Doctor".”
“How about in Voyager. A Doctor that has no name and is only ever referred to as "Doctor".”
The character is actually known as the Emergency Medical Hologram
And the Borg are nothing like the Cybermen.
Speaking of Cybermen....its like a futuristic SMASH episode, about as scary as a butterfly
'The Matrix' concept of unreality stolen from Doctor Who where the Matrix on Gallifrey is a repository of all knowledge. The Doctor fought Chancellor Goth whilst his mind was hooked up to 'The Matrix'. In Trial Of A Timelord The Doctor again entered The Matrix to defeat The Valyard.
Originally Posted by Rocket Romano:
“Speaking of Cybermen....its like a futuristic SMASH episode, about as scary as a butterfly”
“Speaking of Cybermen....its like a futuristic SMASH episode, about as scary as a butterfly”
Don't be daft.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Someone mentioned the teleport was nicked from Who in a previous thread.”
“Someone mentioned the teleport was nicked from Who in a previous thread.”
Teleporting goes way back to the old black & white Buck Rogers serials of the 1930s.
The science fiction idea of organic life forms being enhanced by machinery predates Doctor Who -- by a lot.
As for Star Trek stealing "teleports" from Doctor Who, please go and rent a little science fiction movie from 1956 called Forbidden Planet. And I won't guarantee that the idea was original with Forbideen Planet.
British Doctor Who fans really over-estimate the extent to which Americans are even familiar with Doctor Who, now or in the 1980's, when the Borg were "born." I (a Canadian, but also a "North America") was a young adult and die-hard science fiction fan when the Borg were introduced into the Star Trek universe, yet at that time I had never seen a single episode of Doctor Who, nor knew anything about it beyond the fact that it was the name of a long-running British science fiction TV series. The odds that the writer who came up with the idea for the Borg was a Doctor Who viewer may not be zero, but they are not good either.
And, frankly, it sounds a little pathetic for Doctor Who fans to be accusing Star Trek of "stealing" from their show. TV writers -- Doctor Who writers, Star Trek writers, whatever -- look to movies, books and short stories when they want to do their stealing.
As for Star Trek stealing "teleports" from Doctor Who, please go and rent a little science fiction movie from 1956 called Forbidden Planet. And I won't guarantee that the idea was original with Forbideen Planet.
British Doctor Who fans really over-estimate the extent to which Americans are even familiar with Doctor Who, now or in the 1980's, when the Borg were "born." I (a Canadian, but also a "North America") was a young adult and die-hard science fiction fan when the Borg were introduced into the Star Trek universe, yet at that time I had never seen a single episode of Doctor Who, nor knew anything about it beyond the fact that it was the name of a long-running British science fiction TV series. The odds that the writer who came up with the idea for the Borg was a Doctor Who viewer may not be zero, but they are not good either.
And, frankly, it sounds a little pathetic for Doctor Who fans to be accusing Star Trek of "stealing" from their show. TV writers -- Doctor Who writers, Star Trek writers, whatever -- look to movies, books and short stories when they want to do their stealing.
Originally Posted by JimRockford:
“Don't be daft.”
“Don't be daft.”
Its true, I watched a brief segment, and I laughed. It wasn't at all scary. The Borg have atmosphere, but this was somesort of tacky revue tribute to the days of dodgy old CGI-free days
It was wholly unimpressive and anyone who thinks the Cybermen are scary ought to take off the luvvie Dr Who spectacles (which would be a lot of people on the forum for which Who can do no wrong
)
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“As for Star Trek stealing "teleports" from Doctor Who, please go and rent a little science fiction movie from 1956 called Forbidden Planet. And I won't guarantee that the idea was original with Forbideen Planet.”
“As for Star Trek stealing "teleports" from Doctor Who, please go and rent a little science fiction movie from 1956 called Forbidden Planet. And I won't guarantee that the idea was original with Forbideen Planet.”
There wasn't any teleporting in Forbidden Planet.
Great film though, surely nice to Leslie Neilson still going strong 50 years later
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“And, frankly, it sounds a little pathetic for Doctor Who fans to be accusing Star Trek of "stealing" from their show. TV writers -- Doctor Who writers, Star Trek writers, whatever -- look to movies, books and short stories when they want to do their stealing.”
“And, frankly, it sounds a little pathetic for Doctor Who fans to be accusing Star Trek of "stealing" from their show. TV writers -- Doctor Who writers, Star Trek writers, whatever -- look to movies, books and short stories when they want to do their stealing.”
Quite - very little modern television, sci-fi or not, could truly be called 'original'.
I think that if you look closely enough and nit-pick enough, all science fiction shows contain plots/characters/ideas that have been recycled in some form from previous TV shows or books, either consciously or unconsciously. I mean, dress it up how you want to, there are only so many basic variations that you can do with your average "aliens invade Earth" plot, for instance.
If you visit the classic 'Who' section on the BBC website, and look in the episode guides, each one gives a list of 'roots' on the plot outline page, which makes for some interesting reading. Even old school Who pinched the odd thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/index.shtml
Originally Posted by Jade-Rose:
“Quite - very little modern television, sci-fi or not, could truly be called 'original'.
I think that if you look closely enough and nit-pick enough, all science fiction shows contain plots/characters/ideas that have been recycled in some form from previous TV shows or books, either consciously or unconsciously. I mean, dress it up how you want to, there are only so many basic variations that you can do with your average "aliens invade Earth" plot, for instance.
If you visit the classic 'Who' section on the BBC website, and look in the episode guides, each one gives a list of 'roots' on the plot outline page, which makes for some interesting reading. Even old school Who pinched the odd thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/index.shtml”
“Quite - very little modern television, sci-fi or not, could truly be called 'original'.
I think that if you look closely enough and nit-pick enough, all science fiction shows contain plots/characters/ideas that have been recycled in some form from previous TV shows or books, either consciously or unconsciously. I mean, dress it up how you want to, there are only so many basic variations that you can do with your average "aliens invade Earth" plot, for instance.
If you visit the classic 'Who' section on the BBC website, and look in the episode guides, each one gives a list of 'roots' on the plot outline page, which makes for some interesting reading. Even old school Who pinched the odd thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/index.shtml”
With only seven unique story ideas, it's easy enough to say that practically everything has been done before.
Originally Posted by Fizzbin:
“There wasn't any teleporting in Forbidden Planet.”
“There wasn't any teleporting in Forbidden Planet.
”
And let's not even mention that Forbidden Planet's plot itself riffs off Shakespeare's The Tempest
Quote:
“Great film though, surely nice to Leslie Neilson still going strong 50 years later”
“Great film though, surely nice to Leslie Neilson still going strong 50 years later
”
Don't call him Shirley!
Originally Posted by Rocket Romano:
“Its true, I watched a brief segment, and I laughed. It wasn't at all scary. The Borg have atmosphere, but this was somesort of tacky revue tribute to the days of dodgy old CGI-free days
It was wholly unimpressive and anyone who thinks the Cybermen are scary ought to take off the luvvie Dr Who spectacles (which would be a lot of people on the forum for which Who can do no wrong )”
“Its true, I watched a brief segment, and I laughed. It wasn't at all scary. The Borg have atmosphere, but this was somesort of tacky revue tribute to the days of dodgy old CGI-free days
It was wholly unimpressive and anyone who thinks the Cybermen are scary ought to take off the luvvie Dr Who spectacles (which would be a lot of people on the forum for which Who can do no wrong
)”
Every time you post I love you more.
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“
And, frankly, it sounds a little pathetic for Doctor Who fans to be accusing Star Trek of "stealing" from their show. TV writers -- Doctor Who writers, Star Trek writers, whatever -- look to movies, books and short stories when they want to do their stealing.”
“
And, frankly, it sounds a little pathetic for Doctor Who fans to be accusing Star Trek of "stealing" from their show. TV writers -- Doctor Who writers, Star Trek writers, whatever -- look to movies, books and short stories when they want to do their stealing.”
i think you took me to literally, my original post perhaps wasnt as clear as it should have been. I certainly wasnt suggesting that the trek writters had actually just lifted the idea of the cyberman and turned it to the borg. I hgappen to be a bigger trek fan than a who one, the two are different and trek is far superior-especially seasons 3-5 of TNG.
My point was rather that the cybermen and the borg havce quite strong resembalances, and were there any others.
Realistically there are only so many plot devices (cop shows for instance only have a out 20- everything else is a rehash to some extent)
As someone else has pointed out the mechanical taking over the organic is as old as science fiction itself, teleoprts date back from the earliest sci fi as well.
whilst i am sure some who fans think it can do no wrong, most are a realistic bunch and realsie its limitations.
There are far better written, produced, acted sci fi out there (TNG, BSG etc). Myself I like who but almost as light entertainment. Its a rare example of a british show of any genre thats done well and has some decent production values. I certainly think that there are better Sci Fi shows and I am sure Dr Who has borrowed as much as any other show. Very little can be completly original-even if it is "copied" completly accidentaly
The ego of Dr Who fans never ceases to amaze me.
Its as if it was the first ever sci-fi show that ever existed, as if its on some paralell that has never been covered before
Its an alright show that does alright ratings in an incredibly mediocre British market
Its as if it was the first ever sci-fi show that ever existed, as if its on some paralell that has never been covered before
Its an alright show that does alright ratings in an incredibly mediocre British market
If you take the name:
Doctor Who
and change it a bit you get:
Star Trek
remove the H and replace with T, change the W to an A and one of the Ds for an S. Change C for an R and change up the Os.
Plagerism i say
Doctor Who
and change it a bit you get:
Star Trek
remove the H and replace with T, change the W to an A and one of the Ds for an S. Change C for an R and change up the Os.
Plagerism i say
Yes, Star Trek did copy Doctor Who.
The communicators Kirk and Spock use are clearly copied off of Rose's mobile phone!
The communicators Kirk and Spock use are clearly copied off of Rose's mobile phone!
Originally Posted by peebly:
“in one episode of star trek all the names of the people who had played doctor who appeared on one of the screens.”
“in one episode of star trek all the names of the people who had played doctor who appeared on one of the screens.”
Which episode was that? I didn't think old Dr Who was ever very big in America.
First season TNG episode The Neutral Zone, when Deanna is trying to track down any living relatives of the woman that had been defrosted, the names of the actors that had played The Doctor up until that point were listed as decendents.
Originally Posted by Gutted Girl:
“First season TNG episode The Neutral Zone, when Deanna is trying to track down any living relatives of the woman that had been defrosted, the names of the actors that had played The Doctor up until that point were listed as decendents.”
“First season TNG episode The Neutral Zone, when Deanna is trying to track down any living relatives of the woman that had been defrosted, the names of the actors that had played The Doctor up until that point were listed as decendents.”
Which is of course the first Star Trek Episode to imply the existance of the Borg.
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