Originally Posted by salochin:
“i think you took me to literally, my original post perhaps wasnt as clear as it should have been. I certainly wasnt suggesting that the trek writters had actually just lifted the idea of the cyberman and turned it to the borg. I hgappen to be a bigger trek fan than a who one, the two are different and trek is far superior-especially seasons 3-5 of TNG.
My point was rather that the cybermen and the borg havce quite strong resembalances, and were there any others.
Realistically there are only so many plot devices (cop shows for instance only have a out 20- everything else is a rehash to some extent)
As someone else has pointed out the mechanical taking over the organic is as old as science fiction itself, teleoprts date back from the earliest sci fi as well.
whilst i am sure some who fans think it can do no wrong, most are a realistic bunch and realsie its limitations.
There are far better written, produced, acted sci fi out there (TNG, BSG etc). Myself I like who but almost as light entertainment. Its a rare example of a british show of any genre thats done well and has some decent production values. I certainly think that there are better Sci Fi shows and I am sure Dr Who has borrowed as much as any other show. Very little can be completly original-even if it is "copied" completly accidentaly”
Well it's been discussed on here before, and I myself am not saying that they definitely did lift the idea of the Borg from the Cybermen,...but I definitely think that there is a strong possibility that they might have done.
I don't say this in any way to gloat or be triumphalistic, but it just looks possible to be likely to me.
I think the writers of 'Star Trek' would be aware of other sci-fi works, and would 'borrow' as much as the writers of 'Doctor Who' do....because I believe that the writers of 'Doctor Who' actually do this a lot from what I've seen, like many writers would.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg
Quote:
“The classic Borg hail is as follows:
"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and power down your weapons. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
In the movie Star Trek: First Contact, the following hail is heard:
"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." The actor playing the role of "Voice of the Borg" in this film is Jeff Coopwood.
This saying bears a striking resemblance to the Cybermen expression: "Resistance is useless!" which was said on many occasions by them. Also in Doctor Who, the Cybermen's head leader, the Cybercontroller (equivalent to the Borg Queen) once stated to the Doctor, "To struggle is futile!" In the serial The Tomb of the Cybermen, the Cybercontroller says, "You belong to us. You will be like us."
A Vogon guard in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy also says "Resistance is useless!", but hardly with the same intentions as the Borg or the Cybercontroller. The link between these two other sci-fi genre sayings, though, is easy to explain. The author Douglas Adams was a screenwriter for Doctor Who before he started to write the Hitchhiker series.”
