No! we are not condeming the religion, but his father!!

The only reason religion is coming into the conversation is because people (muslims I would only guess) are defending his father for doing it, using the excuse as religion!

it's called freedom of speach, although I dont think anything I've said is homophibic and I havn't seen anyone else say anything, in this thread at least, that is homophobic. Many people would considerer things like "I hate camp people" to be a homophobic statement but it's not. it's a loud-annoying-personphobic statement. Theres a gay guy in the australian Big Brother house who's one of my favourite housemates. He's a regular guy who just happens to be gay. People like Shabaz, richard and Marco I dislike, not because they are gay, but because they are loud, obnoxious and annoying.

Take this as the context it's meant!

But I love gay people. I think they are funny, usually nice down to earth people, but I can't stand campness!! but I am not gay, so does that make me a homophobe?

I can assure you that my point of view is not taken singularly from this article and I'm sure you cannot truly say you have never heard of 'honour beatings/killings' being common in Muslim countries.

This father's 'love' must have depended completely on whether his child conformed to his own demands on how to live. This, I can never understand.

A parent's love should be unconditional and although it must have been a very difficult time for Kemal's father, he showed nothing but support and respect for how his son chose to live. This is tolerance.

But you said "So why is the Islamic religion so extreme?". (Other people have said worse.) Nothing is done in the name of Islam that hasn't in the past been done in the name of Christianity or any of the other religions ('cept maybe Buddhism.) The Quran is way more peaceful than the Bible. The West is anti-Islam just now, because we're the one invading their countries so we have to make them out to be the bad guys, whereas actually you get bad people in every religion.

My main point was more that I can't believe people will fall out with others about something that was printed in the Mirror, FFS. Chances are it's a load of crap...

There's nothing "Islamophobic" about condeming a rancid old bigot who beats his own child with a claw-hammer.

If they were common, they wouldn't be news. They are more common than they are here (other crimes are less common), and they're obviously wrong, but it's a product of the culture rather than the religion.

And I won't condemn anyone based on an article in the Mirror it's not best-known for factual stuff!

When people apply the term "camp" to men, they usually mean "feminine". To grade homosexual men into various degrees on a "regular guy" scale, by means of their outward feminine traits, is homophobia.

I had drinks with some colleagues at work the other week and one of them said to me:

"Do you know Justin... I like you because you're not like that other puff in our office - the screaming faggot."

I replied, "I've got more in common with that other 'screaming faggot' than I'll ever have with you" and went home immediately.

This must have been very traumatic and sad for Shabaz. I do have sympathy for him having to experience that and especially of the people (a father) in this world that you should never expect it from.

Saying that, the Shabaz we are seeing today does not altogether stem from that one incident and should not be rewarded by sympathy at 37 for this one moment of his life to be able to stay in the house.

Don't fall for it folks

You're right I did, but that's only because people were condoning it because of religion.

If someone says to me, who obviously is a muslim, he did it because of his religion, of course I'm going to ask, why is your religion so extreme.

And I wouldn't call it invading now, would you?

The only ones in the news are the ones done in Britain and not in muslim countries ..... and can I add that it may be as you say a product of 'culture' rather than religion, but the man was living in Britain and it's certainly not British culture to beat your child with a claw hammer for ANY reason, let alone for what he wears!

i think we should condem ANY religion that inflicts harm on people...personally all religion offends me but i dont go around shouting it

Didn't Catholics used to burn women as witches and torture people during the Inquistion?

I hear nowadays they limit themselves to preventing raped pregnant eight year olds from getting abortions. So that's all right then, no extremism there.

Well said Carol. There's some right miserable b@st@rds on this forum.

Why all these little groups of people? gay people, religious people, straight people??

Surely we're all humans?

He should be glad he was in scotland and not in pakistan, the one sheman freak show

Oh - and what would have happened to him in Pakistan? And why are you such a vile little insect?

Actually if you did your research properly, the religion itself will allow it, but usually the parents won't.

And it's the same with Shahbaz's father! To say he did it because of his religion is bol*ocks, he is just a sick man!!

**Double Post**

actually he may have got that wrong..in iran they hang homosexuals on a regular basis....in public

Sorry for sounding vile but that's the way I feel about him, and if he was in Pakistan they would have killed him.

But saying that they have loads of Gays and Trans in Pakistan which are common in their soceity but dont get beatings, maybe its the shame he would bring to their family and they have different ways of dealing with it

But that is okay for Iran.

Iran is not the UK! My argument is with things like this happening in the UK.

Ohh its handbags at dawn in this thread.

Think ill just watch the drama unfold. *gets popcorn*

Oh and the reason I said Pakistan is that because it isn't truely a muslim country and saying that i don't think any of the so called muslim coutries are true as they do not follow islam, they only follow what they believe is right and wrong within their society. If they did follow islam they would have just disowned him and thats it

And?

Isn't that just horrible?