what do you mean its ok for iran???...the point is if one country tolerates it and includes it in there religious rights then everyones else follows suit..ie immigrants have it in there culture when they settle in other countrys and try to enforce it...where do you think honour killings come from?..these things are not right in any country

Apart from me hating him I don't think he should have beaten him with a hammer. His father should have just disowned him and thats would be the end of it but then shagbag shouldn't go throwing it in their faces infornt of the general public

It was not done in the name of religion, but of family honour in a particular social system.

No, you're right, it isn't 'okay' in any country, but I think people who seek refuge in this country seem to think that they can bring their countries laws with them, and that isn't so.

OK - if Bush stops evolution being taught, because of his religion, should I be asking why Christianity is so extreme?

And, er, yes, obviously I'd call it invading. I just did. Plenty of other people do too.

i could not agree more...i blame the labour goverment and the human rights laws

*cheers*

You wouldn't think it was that hard a concept...

its not just bush stopping evolution being taught there are a quite a few schools in the uk doing the same..google veg vardy schools

So why are people mentioning Islam in the first place? The mention of it in this thread was someone condoning his behaviour because of his religion!!??

Exactly! Germany for example, is just waking up to the fact that there have been at least 6 honour killings in the last 4 months, and all because women wanted to end their marriages. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...27/wturk27.xml

I don't care if these honour killings/assaults are based on religion or culture or both, because apart from anything else, they are against the law and must be stopped.

Shahbaz can do what the hell he likes. F*ck the family and their narrow-mindedness.

as mc hammer once said its hammer time

OK, the mentions I see are:

TVDX: Isn't it a shame what people can do in the name of religion?.
Disgusting.

MOZZA666: I don't think it's just religion! I think it's digusting whatever the reasons are!!

Then the Mirror story, which is what really mentions religion in relation to it at all, so I suppose everyone's just believing the high-quality newspaper, then

MOZZA666: So why is the Islamic religion so extreme?

Can you tell me where this condoning is?

I know but at least they're private, not state schools. I think, anyway.

Not original at all, already been said on this thread!! Why don't you read it instead of just acting the fool!!

This is from the first page of the thread

The aspect of this which i'll comment on is as follows, which is NOT to defend his father in any way. But Shahbaz MUST have known how simply terrible this action would have been to his family, and that would be for MOST families, let alone a MUSLIM one.


Why even mention muslim? surely as a poster has already said, the love of a parent is unconditional and shouldn't depend on a religion?

The first page is where you find the first mentions, yeah You made it sound like only the people defending his dad were mentioning islam.

I do agree with you, really - hitting people with hammers is wrong regardless of religion - and it wasn't particularly you I was getting at in my first comment! Plenty of other people were jumping to more conclusions and being more judgemental and prejudiced.

Well put it this way, with all the things that have happened in America and all the other bits that could make me hate Muslims, surely I should be by now!

I like all people until they PERSONALLY give me a reason not too!! People like Bin Laden are purely just Bin Laden, he isn't a role model or the face of muslims. He is just an evil vindictive man who some muslims choose to follow, that doesn't mean I hate all muslims because of him. The complete opposite in fact.

Hope that makes sense!! bottom line is that I don't look at one person and hate all people who are the same religion, colour or background as them!!

For all we know it might have been a plastic one that squeaked his father might have been camp.

What a shocking post. So he DESERVED to be attacked with a hammer? Get over yourself. We all have the right to live how we like, within the rule of law. Relgion means nothing, ultimately. It CANNOT be a justification for violence. Have a bit of tolerance, for your own sake. Or shall I attack you with a hammer, because of that dreadful haircut?

i dont beleive a word that paper says..didnt they print fake iraqi abuse photos?

Surely it is relevant because it is religion which condones such punishments - not always, but in extreme cases.

I would say Shahbaz and his father are both victims of religious extremism. I pity them both and condemn any kind of religious claptrap which destroys people in this kind of way

Sorry I find it a bit offensive that you are aligning campness with feminity. It aint the same as there are very few women who act like that either. Are you implying that because I am not camp myself that I am not very feminine?

Campness is an affectation and often used about heterosexual men too. I know quite a few camp heterosexual men.

As far as I can see heterosexual men are graded on a regular guy scale too. What's the equivalent for them? Heterophobia?

I really can't stand the over the top screaming etc (campness if you will) displayed by a few HM's, Shahbaz being just one of them.