Rear projection television...

blade_922 · 22-05-2006, 14:30

Im going to buy a 42" television today, and the one closest to my budget is a samsung rear projection t.v

Are rear projection T.V's any good or is the picture quality crap or something?

Whats the major difference between plasma's and rear projection T.V's apart from picture quality?

gonnaenodaethat · 22-05-2006, 14:36

Are those the really big bulky tellys that you cant see in some lights? I would go for a plasme screen or an HD telly myself.

Milky Joe · 22-05-2006, 14:37

From what ive seen from ones in Currys/comet etc (not that thats much to go on) they have really bad quality, are hard to see from certain angles and are generally pretty poor. Plus the fact they are very outdated now you might as well wait till you can afford a HD tv

Then it'll be future-proof as well.

Its probably best to get opinions from the TV equipment forum on here!

alone · 22-05-2006, 14:49

We've got a 32 inch Samsung HDTV at home... just a small point and it may seem obvious but it hurts your eyes to try and watch if you sit too close (ie. in a standard sized living room which ours is - its a pain)

Ham&Onion · 22-05-2006, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exulus

From what ive seen from ones in Currys/comet etc (not that thats much to go on) they have really bad quality, are hard to see from certain angles and are generally pretty poor. Plus the fact they are very outdated now you might as well wait till you can afford a HD tv

Then it'll be future-proof as well.

Its probably best to get opinions from the TV equipment forum on here!

I have to agree with Exulus. How much is the telly? Is it a real bargain?

My friend has one but he bought it back before the huge plasma / LCD screens you can get today. His is ok when watching films when you have the lights dimmed etc. but not really that great for daytime usage.

blade_922 · 22-05-2006, 15:16

Its about £600. 42" screen.

I want to get a 42" screen television, and the rear projection is the best i can get at my budget.

diablo · 22-05-2006, 15:25

I'm a big fan of Samsung stuff, excellent quality at reasonable price.

A few years ago I wouldn't have considered a rear projection TV. But they have improved enormously since then.

As long as the daytime viewing thing isn't a problem, then it is probably a sensible option.

Glen · 22-05-2006, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by blade_922

Its about £600. 42" screen.

I want to get a 42" screen television, and the rear projection is the best i can get at my budget.

Does that handle HD formats at that price? If not, I wouldn't go near it.
A quick look at Currys website shows they have a 43" RP which can do HD for £900 so I'm sure it's cheaper elsewhere.

I would personally go with LCD or Plasma as all the RP TVs I've seen look crap in bright light and have limited viewing angles.
I have an LCD projector myself, which of course can only be used in low light and use the 28" CRT during the day (will eventually get a larger LCD to accompany the PJ).

But whatever large display you go for make sure it can take HD sources! You'll be wasting your money otherwise.

blade_922 · 22-05-2006, 15:56

Why the must have for HD?

Finglonga · 22-05-2006, 16:04

I have still not found a plasma or lcd tv that comes close to the picture quality of a "good" CRT tv.

The bigger the plasma the more jerky it is. Rear projectors can burn pixels out as can LCD tv's. The technology is rushing ahead without the quality being sorted first.

I would hang back for a while too as the "digital ready tv's" are going to be floding the market soon and if you do want rear projection or plasma the prices of the older tv's will drop.

Weeksy · 22-05-2006, 16:05

Absolutley, its called future proofing.

Personally I loathe projection systems, unless you get a very very nice one (we're talking £3k +), they look very poor. I've borrowed a projector from work occasionally for watching film "on the big screen", and it hurts your eyes, you can always see the pixels, and the lamps are pricey. And this is with nice £2000 projectors.

I know its not quite the same as rear projection tv's, but thats basically what they are, boxed nicely.

Personally I'd go for a nice Plasma. Projections getting old fast, unclear images.

But for gods sake, do some research! read some magazines about it! This is a lot of money to be spending. And from experience, if you go cheap, its just not the same.

timey · 22-05-2006, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeksy

Absolutley, its called future proofing.

I wish people wouldn't use this term. There is no such thing as future proofing. All technology becomes obsolete eventually. You can prolong things by buying the latest stuff, yes, but nothing is ever "future-proof". When I bought my widescreen TV in 2001 people said it would be future-proof, and now we have HDTV coming in and there will be others to come in due course.

Weeksy · 22-05-2006, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by time_meddler

I wish people wouldn't use this term. There is no such thing as future proofing. All technology becomes obsolete eventually. You can prolong things by buying the latest stuff, yes, but nothing is ever "future-proof". When I bought my widescreen TV in 2001 people said it would be future-proof, and now we have HDTV coming in and there will be others to come in due course.

Fair point actually, I did consider taking that out.

Regardless tho, when something as big as HDTV is so obviously on the horizon, it makes no sense to not buy in.

timey · 22-05-2006, 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeksy

Fair point actually, I did consider taking that out.

Regardless tho, when something as big as HDTV is so obviously on the horizon, it makes no sense to not buy in.

Yes, I would agree with that.

22-05-2006, 16:12

Rear projection TV's suck ass bigtime! Poor quality being the reason why!

stvn758 · 22-05-2006, 16:20

DLP rear projection TV's are very good, I've seen 50inch Sagem and Sony ones in COMET. The Sagem had a truly amazing picture, imagine how good it would be set up properly at home. They are also very compact..

The old bulky ones do suffer from the faults mentioned, but go see for yourself. You get much more for your money.

blade_922 · 22-05-2006, 16:28

From all the opinions given, im kinda turned off buying the rear projection T.V at 42"

Im thinking of buying a plasma 32" now.

hhmmm

Sir Chasm · 22-05-2006, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by blade_922

From all the opinions given, im kinda turned off buying the rear projection T.V at 42"

Im thinking of buying a plasma 32" now.

The first thing you should buy is a couple of magazines on televisions/home cinema ... invest a tenner before you splash out £1,000

moox · 22-05-2006, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by stvn758

DLP rear projection TV's are very good, I've seen 50inch Sagem and Sony ones in COMET. The Sagem had a truly amazing picture, imagine how good it would be set up properly at home. They are also very compact..

The old bulky ones do suffer from the faults mentioned, but go see for yourself. You get much more for your money.

My parents have the (newer) 45" Sagem, and yes it's very good. SDTV looks very good, no problems with viewing angles, you can use it in broad daylight with no problem (and I don't think DLPs burn but they do have a "memory effect" iirc). I can't wait for them to get skyhd - that should look amazing.

This was iirc £2000. The cheaper models at the time did have all of the problems that are generally attributed to RPTVs.

I find that LCDs and some plasmas are pixely, jerky, (in the case of plasma) burn and don't last long. Give me a CRT or DLP TV anyday.

blade_922 · 22-05-2006, 16:40

My limit is £600. 42"

A HDTV at 42" will be impossible at that price. So i might get a 32" TV now.

The Wardster II · 22-05-2006, 16:44

For the benefit of the OP, Rear Projections aren't very good, having watched a few, and in light conditions they are quite difficult to get a reasonable contrast on.

Also, the focus arrangement can over a short amount of time lose convergance, and be a pig to set back up!
Oh, and they do suffer badly, even worse than plasma, from screen burn if a static image is displayed for a time.

If you can afford it, I'd go for a HDTV compat. plasma, or, considering the size of a rear proj. telly will more than likely be the same size as a good quality (Sony / Philips / Samsung) large size CRT telly.

HTH

(Oh, and sorry about hijacking your thread, but for the benefit of someone, whom I believe I know who it is, 'Humour-Bypass' = Are you getting me mixed up with someone else??, and a constructive reply has been duly made

)

Sir Chasm · 22-05-2006, 16:46

http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx...9,22&InMerch=1

diablo · 22-05-2006, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ejmd

http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx...9,22&InMerch=1

That model seems quite good according to this review.

Sir Chasm · 22-05-2006, 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablo

That model seems quite good according to this review.

add a decent 5.1 amplifier when funds permit ...

Salt · 22-05-2006, 17:00

Rear projection look crap, as does the picture!

We have an LG 32inch LCD HD ready TV and the pictures amazing! Save a little longer and get yourself an LCD or at least a Plasma!!

Salt

22-05-2006, 14:30	#1
blade_922 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,227	Rear projection television... Im going to buy a 42" television today, and the one closest to my budget is a samsung rear projection t.v Are rear projection T.V's any good or is the picture quality crap or something? Whats the major difference between plasma's and rear projection T.V's apart from picture quality?

22-05-2006, 14:36	#2
gonnaenodaethat Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: on my bahookie Posts: 4,003	Are those the really big bulky tellys that you cant see in some lights? I would go for a plasme screen or an HD telly myself.

22-05-2006, 14:37	#3
Milky Joe Forum Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: 0.3 units from doom Posts: 17,447	From what ive seen from ones in Currys/comet etc (not that thats much to go on) they have really bad quality, are hard to see from certain angles and are generally pretty poor. Plus the fact they are very outdated now you might as well wait till you can afford a HD tv Then it'll be future-proof as well. Its probably best to get opinions from the TV equipment forum on here!

22-05-2006, 14:49	#4
alone Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,508	We've got a 32 inch Samsung HDTV at home... just a small point and it may seem obvious but it hurts your eyes to try and watch if you sit too close (ie. in a standard sized living room which ours is - its a pain)

22-05-2006, 15:11	#5
Ham&Onion Banned User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 2,303	Quote: Originally Posted by Exulus From what ive seen from ones in Currys/comet etc (not that thats much to go on) they have really bad quality, are hard to see from certain angles and are generally pretty poor. Plus the fact they are very outdated now you might as well wait till you can afford a HD tv Then it'll be future-proof as well. Its probably best to get opinions from the TV equipment forum on here! I have to agree with Exulus. How much is the telly? Is it a real bargain? My friend has one but he bought it back before the huge plasma / LCD screens you can get today. His is ok when watching films when you have the lights dimmed etc. but not really that great for daytime usage.

22-05-2006, 15:16	#6
blade_922 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,227	Its about £600. 42" screen. I want to get a 42" screen television, and the rear projection is the best i can get at my budget.

22-05-2006, 15:25	#7
diablo Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fylde Coast Posts: 8,103	I'm a big fan of Samsung stuff, excellent quality at reasonable price. A few years ago I wouldn't have considered a rear projection TV. But they have improved enormously since then. As long as the daytime viewing thing isn't a problem, then it is probably a sensible option.

22-05-2006, 15:29	#8
Glen Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Inverness Posts: 11,726	Quote: Originally Posted by blade_922 Its about £600. 42" screen. I want to get a 42" screen television, and the rear projection is the best i can get at my budget. Does that handle HD formats at that price? If not, I wouldn't go near it. A quick look at Currys website shows they have a 43" RP which can do HD for £900 so I'm sure it's cheaper elsewhere. I would personally go with LCD or Plasma as all the RP TVs I've seen look crap in bright light and have limited viewing angles. I have an LCD projector myself, which of course can only be used in low light and use the 28" CRT during the day (will eventually get a larger LCD to accompany the PJ). But whatever large display you go for make sure it can take HD sources! You'll be wasting your money otherwise.

22-05-2006, 15:56	#9
blade_922 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,227	Why the must have for HD?

22-05-2006, 16:04	#10
Finglonga Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Stafford. Posts: 4,706	I have still not found a plasma or lcd tv that comes close to the picture quality of a "good" CRT tv. The bigger the plasma the more jerky it is. Rear projectors can burn pixels out as can LCD tv's. The technology is rushing ahead without the quality being sorted first. I would hang back for a while too as the "digital ready tv's" are going to be floding the market soon and if you do want rear projection or plasma the prices of the older tv's will drop.

22-05-2006, 16:05	#11
Weeksy Forum Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 4,737	Absolutley, its called future proofing. Personally I loathe projection systems, unless you get a very very nice one (we're talking £3k +), they look very poor. I've borrowed a projector from work occasionally for watching film "on the big screen", and it hurts your eyes, you can always see the pixels, and the lamps are pricey. And this is with nice £2000 projectors. I know its not quite the same as rear projection tv's, but thats basically what they are, boxed nicely. Personally I'd go for a nice Plasma. Projections getting old fast, unclear images. But for gods sake, do some research! read some magazines about it! This is a lot of money to be spending. And from experience, if you go cheap, its just not the same.

22-05-2006, 16:08	#12
timey Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pictland Posts: 16,437	Quote: Originally Posted by Weeksy Absolutley, its called future proofing. I wish people wouldn't use this term. There is no such thing as future proofing. All technology becomes obsolete eventually. You can prolong things by buying the latest stuff, yes, but nothing is ever "future-proof". When I bought my widescreen TV in 2001 people said it would be future-proof, and now we have HDTV coming in and there will be others to come in due course.

22-05-2006, 16:09	#13
Weeksy Forum Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 4,737	Quote: Originally Posted by time_meddler I wish people wouldn't use this term. There is no such thing as future proofing. All technology becomes obsolete eventually. You can prolong things by buying the latest stuff, yes, but nothing is ever "future-proof". When I bought my widescreen TV in 2001 people said it would be future-proof, and now we have HDTV coming in and there will be others to come in due course. Fair point actually, I did consider taking that out. Regardless tho, when something as big as HDTV is so obviously on the horizon, it makes no sense to not buy in.

22-05-2006, 16:10	#14
timey Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pictland Posts: 16,437	Quote: Originally Posted by Weeksy Fair point actually, I did consider taking that out. Regardless tho, when something as big as HDTV is so obviously on the horizon, it makes no sense to not buy in. Yes, I would agree with that.

22-05-2006, 16:12	#15
Hathor Posts: n/a	Rear projection TV's suck ass bigtime! Poor quality being the reason why!

22-05-2006, 16:20	#16
stvn758 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,338	DLP rear projection TV's are very good, I've seen 50inch Sagem and Sony ones in COMET. The Sagem had a truly amazing picture, imagine how good it would be set up properly at home. They are also very compact.. The old bulky ones do suffer from the faults mentioned, but go see for yourself. You get much more for your money.

22-05-2006, 16:28	#17
blade_922 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,227	From all the opinions given, im kinda turned off buying the rear projection T.V at 42" Im thinking of buying a plasma 32" now. hhmmm

22-05-2006, 16:33	#18
Sir Chasm Banned User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: everywhere and nowhere Posts: 3,569	Quote: Originally Posted by blade_922 From all the opinions given, im kinda turned off buying the rear projection T.V at 42" Im thinking of buying a plasma 32" now. The first thing you should buy is a couple of magazines on televisions/home cinema ... invest a tenner before you splash out £1,000

22-05-2006, 16:35	#19
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by stvn758 DLP rear projection TV's are very good, I've seen 50inch Sagem and Sony ones in COMET. The Sagem had a truly amazing picture, imagine how good it would be set up properly at home. They are also very compact.. The old bulky ones do suffer from the faults mentioned, but go see for yourself. You get much more for your money. My parents have the (newer) 45" Sagem, and yes it's very good. SDTV looks very good, no problems with viewing angles, you can use it in broad daylight with no problem (and I don't think DLPs burn but they do have a "memory effect" iirc). I can't wait for them to get skyhd - that should look amazing. This was iirc £2000. The cheaper models at the time did have all of the problems that are generally attributed to RPTVs. I find that LCDs and some plasmas are pixely, jerky, (in the case of plasma) burn and don't last long. Give me a CRT or DLP TV anyday.

22-05-2006, 16:40	#20
blade_922 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,227	My limit is £600. 42" A HDTV at 42" will be impossible at that price. So i might get a 32" TV now.

22-05-2006, 16:44	#21
The Wardster II Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ŝĥĩţ Creek Posts: 1,228	For the benefit of the OP, Rear Projections aren't very good, having watched a few, and in light conditions they are quite difficult to get a reasonable contrast on. Also, the focus arrangement can over a short amount of time lose convergance, and be a pig to set back up! Oh, and they do suffer badly, even worse than plasma, from screen burn if a static image is displayed for a time. If you can afford it, I'd go for a HDTV compat. plasma, or, considering the size of a rear proj. telly will more than likely be the same size as a good quality (Sony / Philips / Samsung) large size CRT telly. HTH (Oh, and sorry about hijacking your thread, but for the benefit of someone, whom I believe I know who it is, 'Humour-Bypass' = Are you getting me mixed up with someone else??, and a constructive reply has been duly made )

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22-05-2006, 16:46	#22
Sir Chasm Banned User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: everywhere and nowhere Posts: 3,569	http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx...9,22&InMerch=1

22-05-2006, 16:56	#23
diablo Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fylde Coast Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by ejmd http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx...9,22&InMerch=1 That model seems quite good according to this review.

22-05-2006, 16:59	#24
Sir Chasm Banned User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: everywhere and nowhere Posts: 3,569	Quote: Originally Posted by diablo That model seems quite good according to this review. add a decent 5.1 amplifier when funds permit ...

22-05-2006, 17:00	#25
Salt Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,460	Rear projection look crap, as does the picture! We have an LG 32inch LCD HD ready TV and the pictures amazing! Save a little longer and get yourself an LCD or at least a Plasma!! Salt