i think DT does a really good job with his Dr Who accent, it shows a sense of fun but at the same time he can use it to show a darker side. i dont no if its because he hasnt used it but i just cant imagine this doctor having a scotish accent, i just dont think it would work. i dont think is usual scotish accent has the air of excitment his put on accent has
David Tennant's accent.
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Originally Posted by Ferrari Red:
“I thought that was a great line!
Be more surprised about the fact he was talking at all as he's been dead for several years.
With the greatest of respect, comparing Doctor Who and Taggart isn't sensible because there is no reason at all for a character in Taggart to change their accent.
No, I don't agree at all. Why is it any more ridiculous to have a different accent than a different face? I'm afraid your argument about regional jealousy falls flat with me because I was born in the South of England and still live there but I think it's fine for the Doctor's accent to change with each regeneration. The voice itself changes, so why not the accent?
I agree with that. I think true actors do tailor their voices to fit the part, but I have to admit that I would be happier seeing Tennant use, if not his own, then a different accent to the one he's settled on for the Doctor. It is very similar to the accent he used in Casanova (which worked perfectly in that role). Personally I'd rather he was using a Scottish accent or a well spoken Southern English accent. I thought for a while last week he was starting to 'posh up' but I must have imagined it.
I was told on another thread that the reason the Doctor speaks the way he does has been explained by the fact that Rose was the last person he heard speak before regenerating. I don't know if this is something that has always happened with regenerations or simply something that's been brought in to explain this one.”
“I thought that was a great line!
Be more surprised about the fact he was talking at all as he's been dead for several years.
With the greatest of respect, comparing Doctor Who and Taggart isn't sensible because there is no reason at all for a character in Taggart to change their accent.
No, I don't agree at all. Why is it any more ridiculous to have a different accent than a different face? I'm afraid your argument about regional jealousy falls flat with me because I was born in the South of England and still live there but I think it's fine for the Doctor's accent to change with each regeneration. The voice itself changes, so why not the accent?
I agree with that. I think true actors do tailor their voices to fit the part, but I have to admit that I would be happier seeing Tennant use, if not his own, then a different accent to the one he's settled on for the Doctor. It is very similar to the accent he used in Casanova (which worked perfectly in that role). Personally I'd rather he was using a Scottish accent or a well spoken Southern English accent. I thought for a while last week he was starting to 'posh up' but I must have imagined it.
I was told on another thread that the reason the Doctor speaks the way he does has been explained by the fact that Rose was the last person he heard speak before regenerating. I don't know if this is something that has always happened with regenerations or simply something that's been brought in to explain this one.”
Yes, that's how RTD explained it.
There has been other, similar things in 'classic' Who - the one that readily springs to mind is the Doctor regenerating to like opera after hearing Madame Butterfly whilst Daphne Ashbrook was killing Sylvestor McCoy. I'm sure others will know of more.
Originally Posted by Lazylaurablue:
“I have a feeling that even CE may have suffered such discrimination. I for one didn't think the "even the universe has a North" line was that convincing. Dr Who had a South England accent when he started, and for most of his career, so it make sense he should keep it - I'm sure you lot from North of Watford would complain bitterly if Taggart suddenly sounded as if he came from Surrey!”
“I have a feeling that even CE may have suffered such discrimination. I for one didn't think the "even the universe has a North" line was that convincing. Dr Who had a South England accent when he started, and for most of his career, so it make sense he should keep it - I'm sure you lot from North of Watford would complain bitterly if Taggart suddenly sounded as if he came from Surrey!”
I agree. I didn't buy that line either and I'm as Northern as they come. I like RTD's explanation of the current Doctor's accent... it makes sense that he's heavily influenced at the point of regeneration.
Just out of interest - has there ever been an explanation of why the Doctor gets a particular body when he regenerates?
Originally Posted by loosefur:
“Just out of interest - has there ever been an explanation of why the Doctor gets a particular body when he regenerates?”
“Just out of interest - has there ever been an explanation of why the Doctor gets a particular body when he regenerates?”
No, it was always put down to pot luck - apart from when the timelords got hold of Pat Troughton's Doctor, of course.
David is a friend of a friend, and having met him, can say I definetly prefer his natural one to his Dr Who one.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“David can talk dirty to me in any accent he wants! ”
“David can talk dirty to me in any accent he wants!
”
Me too...
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“No, it was always put down to pot luck - apart from when the timelords got hold of Pat Troughton's Doctor, of course.”
“No, it was always put down to pot luck - apart from when the timelords got hold of Pat Troughton's Doctor, of course.”
Interesting and it brings up a further question - are the 'bodies' that the Doctor regenerates into based on real people that exist somewhere in the Universe? I mean we know why people look like they look - DNA. Are the Doctor's new bodies therefore the image of people he's met or interacted with in someway, at some point of his life? Or is there some sort of 'body' library at Gallifrey?
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Yes, that's how RTD explained it.”
“Yes, that's how RTD explained it.”
I believe it was you that told me on the other thread, Den.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“David can talk dirty to me in any accent he wants! ”
“David can talk dirty to me in any accent he wants!
”
Absolutely, he's a dishy devil whatever his accent is.
Originally Posted by fifi_folE:
“David is a friend of a friend.”
“David is a friend of a friend.”
After a revelation like that don't be surprised if you suddenly have lot of people wanting to be your friend too.
Originally Posted by Ferrari Red:
“I believe it was you that told me on the other thread, Den.
Absolutely, he's a dishy devil whatever his accent is.
After a revelation like that don't be surprised if you suddenly have lot of people wanting to be your friend too. ”
“I believe it was you that told me on the other thread, Den.
Absolutely, he's a dishy devil whatever his accent is.After a revelation like that don't be surprised if you suddenly have lot of people wanting to be your friend too.
”
LOL I have told Mhari she could make lots of money, as she has known his parents since David was in his mummy!
Originally Posted by fifi_folE:
“LOL I have told Mhari she could make lots of money, as she has known his parents since David was in his mummy!”
“LOL I have told Mhari she could make lots of money, as she has known his parents since David was in his mummy!”
can you introduce me?
I'd love him to use his Scottish accent but there's obviously a reason why he's using the accent he is...
...and to be honest it's pretty damn sexy anyway.
...and to be honest it's pretty damn sexy anyway.
Originally Posted by loosefur:
“ Me too...
Interesting and it brings up a further question - are the 'bodies' that the Doctor regenerates into based on real people that exist somewhere in the Universe? I mean we know why people look like they look - DNA. Are the Doctor's new bodies therefore the image of people he's met or interacted with in someway, at some point of his life? Or is there some sort of 'body' library at Gallifrey?”
“
Me too...Interesting and it brings up a further question - are the 'bodies' that the Doctor regenerates into based on real people that exist somewhere in the Universe? I mean we know why people look like they look - DNA. Are the Doctor's new bodies therefore the image of people he's met or interacted with in someway, at some point of his life? Or is there some sort of 'body' library at Gallifrey?”
I don't know if it was a library, but at the end of The War Games the timelords showed PT's Doctor a range of new 'looks.' Unable to choose one for himself, they 'assigned' him Jon Pertwee.
Incidentally, Romana tried out a range of looks during her first regeneration before finally regenerating to look like Princess Astra from their last adventure.
I know this doesn't answer your query fully, but it does suggest that choice is possible when a timelord regenerates. Apart from his second regeneration, the Doctor has always seemed to have left his new appearance to chance.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“I don't know if it was a library, but at the end of The War Games the timelords showed PT's Doctor a range of new 'looks.' Unable to choose one for himself, they 'assigned' him Jon Pertwee.
Incidentally, Romana tried out a range of looks during her first regeneration before finally regenerating to look like Princess Astra from their last adventure.
I know this doesn't answer your query fully, but it does suggest that choice is possible when a timelord regenerates. Apart from his second regeneration, the Doctor has always seemed to have left his new appearance to chance.”
“I don't know if it was a library, but at the end of The War Games the timelords showed PT's Doctor a range of new 'looks.' Unable to choose one for himself, they 'assigned' him Jon Pertwee.
Incidentally, Romana tried out a range of looks during her first regeneration before finally regenerating to look like Princess Astra from their last adventure.
I know this doesn't answer your query fully, but it does suggest that choice is possible when a timelord regenerates. Apart from his second regeneration, the Doctor has always seemed to have left his new appearance to chance.”
I could be wrong but I always thought as his regenerations were never planned and usually involved some huge drama that it was more pot luck what he ended up with. Romana could 'control' her regeneration process whereas The Doctor who because of his lifestyle had to make do with what he was given!
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“I don't know if it was a library, but at the end of The War Games the timelords showed PT's Doctor a range of new 'looks.' Unable to choose one for himself, they 'assigned' him Jon Pertwee.
Incidentally, Romana tried out a range of looks during her first regeneration before finally regenerating to look like Princess Astra from their last adventure.
I know this doesn't answer your query fully, but it does suggest that choice is possible when a timelord regenerates. Apart from his second regeneration, the Doctor has always seemed to have left his new appearance to chance.”
“I don't know if it was a library, but at the end of The War Games the timelords showed PT's Doctor a range of new 'looks.' Unable to choose one for himself, they 'assigned' him Jon Pertwee.
Incidentally, Romana tried out a range of looks during her first regeneration before finally regenerating to look like Princess Astra from their last adventure.
I know this doesn't answer your query fully, but it does suggest that choice is possible when a timelord regenerates. Apart from his second regeneration, the Doctor has always seemed to have left his new appearance to chance.”
Great answer DenWatts - thanks.
So basically the Timelords assign other timelords new bodies when necessary - from a 'database' of choices. Sometimes a timelord will be allowed to choose one but in the Doctor's case he gets what he's given (presumably because he's not on Gallifrey at the time).
But now that we've been told DW is the only timelord left and Gallifrey no longer exists - who assigns the Doctor a new body and where from?
Originally Posted by loosefur:
“Great answer DenWatts - thanks.
So basically the Timelords assign other timelords new bodies when necessary - from a 'database' of choices. Sometimes a timelord will be allowed to choose one but in the Doctor's case he gets what he's given (presumably because he's not on Gallifrey at the time).
But now that we've been told DW is the only timelord left and Gallifrey no longer exists - who assigns the Doctor a new body and where from?”
“Great answer DenWatts - thanks.
So basically the Timelords assign other timelords new bodies when necessary - from a 'database' of choices. Sometimes a timelord will be allowed to choose one but in the Doctor's case he gets what he's given (presumably because he's not on Gallifrey at the time).
But now that we've been told DW is the only timelord left and Gallifrey no longer exists - who assigns the Doctor a new body and where from?”
The only occasion The Doctor was assigned a new body by the Time Lords was at the end of the Patrick Troughton era when the Time Lords finally caught up with him.
The rest of the time The Doctor is forced to regenerate when he has been involved in some epic drama where events have taken their toll on his body. He regenerates but never really gets to choose what body or form he is going to take. Hope that makes sense.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“The only occasion The Doctor was assigned a new body by the Time Lords was at the end of the Patrick Troughton era when the Time Lords finally caught up with him.
The rest of the time The Doctor is forced to regenerate when he has been involved in some epic drama where events have taken their toll on his body. He regenerates but never really gets to choose what body or form he is going to take. Hope that makes sense.”
“The only occasion The Doctor was assigned a new body by the Time Lords was at the end of the Patrick Troughton era when the Time Lords finally caught up with him.
The rest of the time The Doctor is forced to regenerate when he has been involved in some epic drama where events have taken their toll on his body. He regenerates but never really gets to choose what body or form he is going to take. Hope that makes sense.”
It does
Thanks I just wondered why he gets a particular body - as it's been explained he gets a particular accent or interest based on the person he's spent time with just before regeneration, I wondered if the actual look of the body is similarly influenced i.e. somehow Rose influenced what the regenerated Doctor looked like - she wanted a cute, skinny guy with a beautiful smile who she would fancy and bingo... there he was
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“I know this doesn't answer your query fully, but it does suggest that choice is possible when a timelord regenerates. Apart from his second regeneration, the Doctor has always seemed to have left his new appearance to chance.”
“I know this doesn't answer your query fully, but it does suggest that choice is possible when a timelord regenerates. Apart from his second regeneration, the Doctor has always seemed to have left his new appearance to chance.”
So if he lost Rose, and then went through a regeneration he could choose to look like Rose?
Arrrrgh! Runs away, screaming.
Originally Posted by loosefur:
“It does Thanks
I just wondered why he gets a particular body - as it's been explained he gets a particular accent or interest based on the person he's spent time with just before regeneration, I wondered if the actual look of the body is similarly influenced i.e. somehow Rose influenced what the regenerated Doctor looked like - she wanted a cute, skinny guy with a beautiful smile who she would fancy and bingo... there he was ”
“It does
Thanks I just wondered why he gets a particular body - as it's been explained he gets a particular accent or interest based on the person he's spent time with just before regeneration, I wondered if the actual look of the body is similarly influenced i.e. somehow Rose influenced what the regenerated Doctor looked like - she wanted a cute, skinny guy with a beautiful smile who she would fancy and bingo... there he was
”
Another thing that I just remembered, which backs up the idea that there is some degree of choice when a timelord regenerates; the Master is supposed to have always regenerated to look the same as he 'liked' that look he had going on (I can't remember in which story that was mentioned but I'll do some digging for you.)
I know the Doctor has always left his regenerations to pot luck but evidence exists that timelords have a degree of control over the final outcome, or 'look.'
Edited to add: On reflection, It's possible that the idea that the Master continually regenerated to look the same was introduced in one of the novels which was published after the series was originally cancelled, and as such is not necessarily considered part of the 'canon.'
However, the fact that the timelords could assign a look and the fact that Romana tried out a variety of looks before finally settling on the form of Princess Astra does suggest that timelords can control the outcome of the process if they choose to.
Last edited by DenWatts : 29-05-2006 at 14:48
Originally Posted by Ferrari Red:
“So if he lost Rose, and then went through a regeneration he could choose to look like Rose?
Arrrrgh! Runs away, screaming.”
“So if he lost Rose, and then went through a regeneration he could choose to look like Rose?
Arrrrgh! Runs away, screaming.”
do not blaspheme! do not blaspheme!
wash your mouth out for suggesting such a thing. no, no, no, no!
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“do not blaspheme! do not blaspheme!
wash your mouth out for suggesting such a thing. no, no, no, no!”
“do not blaspheme! do not blaspheme!
wash your mouth out for suggesting such a thing. no, no, no, no!
”
Sorry.<Places soap in mouth>
Originally Posted by Ferrari Red:
“ Sorry.
<Places soap in mouth>”
“
Sorry.<Places soap in mouth>”
make sure you use carbolic as well
Originally Posted by Ferrari Red:
“Jeez, you're tough.”
“Jeez, you're tough.
”
well I mean suggesting The Doctor regenerate to look like Rose. naughty, naughty, naughty!
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“well I mean suggesting The Doctor regenerate to look like Rose. naughty, naughty, naughty!”
“well I mean suggesting The Doctor regenerate to look like Rose. naughty, naughty, naughty!
”
I know - but it was an idea that filled me with horror.
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