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Hope you enjoy your Zen Vision m.
Thought i'd come in here for a little peep and was astounded at the Zen owning people just makeing up blatent lies about iPod. Wierd you guys do that, maybe its just the fact Creatives Zen has went plunging into debt and loss for the past 3 consequtive quarters. . . why? . . . because there are much better products out there. |
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Originally Posted by ntl:rocks
Hope you enjoy your Zen Vision m.
Thought i'd come in here for a little peep and was astounded at the Zen owning people just makeing up blatent lies about iPod. Wierd you guys do that, maybe its just the fact Creatives Zen has went plunging into debt and loss for the past 3 consequtive quarters. . . why? . . . because there are much better products out there. One thing i've noticed is that iPod zelots ignore all the errors with there devices (apart from the batteries dieing less than a year after they brought them) , where as us Creative owners do point out the (few minor) flaws. With regards to Quote:
Originally Posted by darkknight77
The ipod can do everything you have said there, it isn't tied to itunes music store, you can play normal MP3s downloaded from other services on it.
Again, lack of research. With regards to the other comment... Apple refuse to licence it's DRM system (FairPlay - ROTFLOL) to any third party retailer or manufacturer (hence a Creative player can't play a song brought from iTunes without circumventing the DRM - usually by burning to CD and ripping the same CD back to the PC). This means if you want to buy a song for your iPod you either buy if from iTunes or the likes of eMusic which have MP3 downloads - unfortunatly due to the major lables demanding DRM there few major bands, and those they have tend to be old material only. This is slowy changing - Yahoo! for example have been able to sell an MP3 by Jessica Simpson, but this is by no means common place. Hence at the moment if you want to fill an iPod with tunes from the major record lables you have 5 options :- 1. Buy them from iTunes 2. Buy them from the likes of Naptster, then circumvent the DRM (illegal) 3. Buy them from allofmp3 (Legal loophole, the record labels say it's not legal) 4. Download them from P2P sites, or other copyright infringing services (illegal) 5. Rip them from a store brought CD (Technically illegal in this country at the moment, although the record lables say that should change to allow personal use to be legitimised) If you want to fill your iPod with music from a major record lable and stay within the (current) UK legal framework you have got one choice - buy from iTunes. Now that those points have been clarified, can ntl:rocks please point out where Creative owners have lied about the capabilites of the iPod? With regards to debt - wasn't Apple trading in the red for years, until the iPod rescued the company? (I honestly don't know the correct answer to this one - although ISTR hearing they were when I was at uni) |
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Apple went through a bad patch until the launch of iMac in 1998. Since then , and the return of Steve Jobs as C.E.O (whole other story) things have been looking up. Fiscal year 1998 was Apple's first profitable year since the early ninties, well before the iPod (oct. 2001) Creative have now stated they are going to concentrate on their original sound card component production rather than fighting the losing battle against iPod. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4967620.stm 1) iPod batteries dying in 1 year of use. I've had a 4G iPod from launch and it certainly doesn't die...now i have a 5G iPod with my relatives using the old iPod. 2) I didn't mean lying about the Zen's features i meant clearly avoiding any good things about iPod and thus giving a clear biase view to an unsuspecting consumer. e.g : Quote:
Zen vision: m a bit straight forward , no?.Longer battery life 4 hours video 14 audio FM Radio Voice recorder supports wider range of video formats (Divx, Xvid, WMV) no need for conversion Better screen quality, 262,144 colours better TV out resolution IPOD 30gb 2 hours video playback 14 audio what else it do? 3) iPod just .... works. Intuitively .. you can have it sync all its features with your computer / iTunes / Calender etc...or turn all that off and do all the dragging yourself. The Click wheel ...simplicity at its best. 4) Back to the battery....the person on page 1 complaining about the battery running out quickly , i CAN GUARANTEE they didn't listen until the battery turned itself off, they were simply going by the little battery indicator which is VERY misleading. 5) Asthetically, it's not that it just looks amazing and is indeed very very slim. It's the fact it's built to perfection. The two Creative devices i've played with just felt very cheap with plastic on the front, i've dropped my iPod and it's been fine . . . i really wouldn't like to drop a Zen, it just doesnt' have the same build quality. Last edited by aaronon : 12-08-2006 at 19:00. |
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Originally Posted by ntl:rocks
Apple went through a bad patch until the launch of iMac in 1998. Since then , and the return of Steve Jobs as C.E.O (whole other story) things have been looking up. Fiscal year 1998 was Apple's first profitable year since the early ninties, well before the iPod (oct. 2001)
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Creative have now stated they are going to concentrate on their original sound card component production rather than fighting the losing battle against iPod.
That's a shame, the only real problem was the lack of a good marketing team!Quote:
1) iPod batteries dying in 1 year of use. I've had a 4G iPod from launch and it certainly doesn't die...now i have a 5G iPod with my relatives using the old iPod.
May I remind you of the Class Action SuitiPod owners took out against Apple (it was actually 2 years and not the 1 I mentioned earlier)Quote:
2) I didn't mean lying about the Zen's features i meant clearly avoiding any good things about iPod and thus giving a clear biase view to an unsuspecting consumer. e.g :
A bit vague admitadly - but does the iPod have any features the ZVM lacks?Quote:
3) iPod just .... works. Intuitively .. you can have it sync all its features with your computer / iTunes / Calender etc...or turn all that off and do all the dragging yourself.
So does the ZVMQuote:
The Click wheel ...simplicity at its best.
I find the click wheel confusing, then again I know people struggle with the click pad on the Zen's which I find really intuative.Quote:
4) Back to the battery....the person on page 1 complaining about the battery running out quickly , i CAN GUARANTEE they didn't listen until the battery turned itself off, they were simply going by the little battery indicator which is VERY misleading.
Ah, like the one on my Shuffle that still shows green around 30 mins before it runs out of juice Quote:
5) Asthetically, it's not that it just looks amazing and is indeed very very slim. It's the fact it's built to perfection. The two Creative devices i've played with just felt very cheap with plastic on the front, i've dropped my iPod and it's been fine . . . i really wouldn't like to drop a Zen, it just doesnt' have the same build quality.
Mine's hit the deck plenty of times (admitadly in a silicone case as i'm prone to scratching things by chucking them in a pocket with me keys) and it's still perfect. Looks can be deceptive.
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Well i think the base of our argument says it all really. We both seem to have played with both, and prefer a different player each.
Each to their own. The whole Steve Jobs story is very interesting indeed, i've a book which talks all about it, from the beginning of apple, to the Microsoft copy cat scandles, to Steves return. It's a great read though quite long. If your interested at all check out various books about it, if you've ran out of reading material.! |
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