Originally Posted by ntl:rocks:
“Hope you enjoy your Zen Vision m.
Thought i'd come in here for a little peep and was astounded at the Zen owning people just makeing up blatent lies about iPod. Wierd you guys do that, maybe its just the fact Creatives Zen has went plunging into debt and loss for the past 3 consequtive quarters. . . why? . . . because there are much better products out there.”
Or there are products out there that are better in some ways, worse in others (i.e. the iPod), yet have people with MUCH better marketing skills behind them.
One thing i've noticed is that iPod zelots ignore all the errors with there devices (apart from the batteries dieing less than a year after they brought them) , where as us Creative owners do point out the (few minor) flaws.
With regards to
Originally Posted by darkknight77:
“The ipod can do everything you have said there, it isn't tied to itunes music store, you can play normal MP3s downloaded from other services on it.
Again, lack of research.”
On most of the points I was pointing out the Vision:M could do them as well as the iPod (you had pointed out those capabilites in an earlier post, and they had not yet been mentioned for the ZVM).
With regards to the other comment...
Apple refuse to licence it's DRM system (FairPlay - ROTFLOL) to any third party retailer or manufacturer (hence a Creative player can't play a song brought from iTunes without circumventing the DRM - usually by burning to CD and ripping the same CD back to the PC).
This means if you want to buy a song for your iPod you either buy if from iTunes or the likes of eMusic which have MP3 downloads - unfortunatly due to the major lables demanding DRM there few major bands, and those they have tend to be old material only. This is slowy changing - Yahoo! for example have been able to sell an MP3 by Jessica Simpson, but this is by no means common place.
Hence at the moment if you want to fill an iPod with tunes from the major record lables you have 5 options :-
1. Buy them from iTunes
2. Buy them from the likes of Naptster, then circumvent the DRM (illegal)
3. Buy them from allofmp3 (Legal loophole, the record labels say it's not legal)
4. Download them from P2P sites, or other copyright infringing services (illegal)
5. Rip them from a store brought CD (Technically illegal in this country at the moment, although the record lables say that should change to allow personal use to be legitimised)
If you want to fill your iPod with music from a major record lable and stay within the (current) UK legal framework you have got one choice - buy from iTunes.
Now that those points have been clarified, can
ntl:rocks please point out where Creative owners have lied about the capabilites of the iPod?
With regards to debt - wasn't Apple trading in the red for years, until the iPod rescued the company? (I honestly don't know the correct answer to this one - although ISTR hearing they were when I was at uni)