[skyscraper101]

The new Sky HD system is good. However, I've been pretty underwhelmed since I finally got to see the picture quality of Sky HD on a brand new Sony Bravia in the local Sony Center yesterday showing the BBC HD feed. Although the picture quality is better than SD I can STILL see some pixelation and loss of detail at far away objects on-screen much more than I expected to after reading all the excited people's reviews of Sky HD on these boards. Still it is a step in the right direction, and thats good.

I was wondering, when will we see 'Super HD' quality in the UK - or even better some kind of 3D holographic broadcast which would improve on the current quality of HD to provide a better picture than we're currently getting?

I read that NHK in Tokyo were looking at Super HD soon. How long before we see something like this in the UK? I'd be interested in anything which can inprove on the current output of HD on offer in the UK, surely we need better quality and more lifelike viewing?

It would also be great to have an option where you can activate lifelike smells to enhance the feeling of a film, or documentary or even live on-site sampling (like an outdoor news broadcast) which could be introduced into the broadcast and fed into our rooms for a more 'real' experience so you could expeience the smell of the grass at Wimbledon (or Glastonbury) or even the smell of war reports on the news or the Amazon Rainforest on Discovery. Maybe even an option to show content which comes out of the screen like in IMAX cinemas where you need those cool glasses and then some things could be in 3-D (imagine watching Corronation Street and being able to see and smell Betty's Hot Pots in the Rovers in 3-D..amazing haha!)

Does anyone have any information on when this might happen? Is there any development into such systems - it would be great to see something like this happen soon.

[infiniteloop]

development, yes. think maybe 10 years or so. In Japan. Don't even think of seeing it in Europe for 15-20. Try to remember we're only at the beginning of HD's lifecycle. And don't judge the whole system on an LCD panel you saw in a shop!

[kelv22144]

Originally Posted by chrishampson

The new Sky HD system is good. However, I've been pretty underwhelmed since I finally got to see the picture quality of Sky HD on a brand new Sony Bravia in the local Sony Center yesterday showing the BBC HD feed. Although the picture quality is better than SD I can STILL see some pixelation and loss of detail at far away objects on-screen much more than I expected to after reading all the excited people's reviews of Sky HD on these boards. Still it is a step in the right direction, and thats good.

I was wondering, when will we see 'Super HD' quality in the UK - or even better some kind of 3D holographic broadcast which would improve on the current quality of HD to provide a better picture than we're currently getting?

I read that NHK in Tokyo were looking at Super HD soon. How long before we see something like this in the UK? I'd be interested in anything which can inprove on the current output of HD on offer in the UK, surely we need better quality and more lifelike viewing?

It would also be great to have an option where you can activate lifelike smells to enhance the feeling of a film, or documentary or even live on-site sampling (like an outdoor news broadcast) which could be introduced into the broadcast and fed into our rooms for a more 'real' experience so you could expeience the smell of the grass at Wimbledon (or Glastonbury) or even the smell of war reports on the news or the Amazon Rainforest on Discovery. Maybe even an option to show content which comes out of the screen like in IMAX cinemas where you need those cool glasses and then some things could be in 3-D (imagine watching Corronation Street and being able to see and smell Betty's Hot Pots in the Rovers in 3-D..amazing haha!)

Does anyone have any information on when this might happen? Is there any development into such systems - it would be great to see something like this happen soon.

My guess for something like super HD to be available from someone like Sky is 10 years.

[JimRockford]

Originally Posted by kelv22144

My guess for something like super HD to be available from someone like Sky is 10 years.

20 years. In ten years they can only hope that most custmoers will have swicthed to HD.

People won't see the need for the upgrade, so it will be unmarketable.

[kelv22144]

Originally Posted by JimRockford

20 years. In ten years they can only hope that most custmoers will have swicthed to HD.

People won't see the need for the upgrade, so it will be unmarketable.

Well the jump from Sky Analogue to Sky Digital SD and then to Sky HD have all been less than 10 years.

As far as switching, HD boxes will become the norm because you will be unable to buy a SD only box within 5 years, because Sky wants MPEG 4 to become the norm so they can move forward with the VOD service starting end of 2007.

[JBlink]

Originally Posted by chrishampson

Does anyone have any information on when this might happen?

Yep - 4th June 2018. 4:30 PM








Wouldn't it be funny if this proved to be correct

[remlap]

Originally Posted by kelv22144

Well the jump from Sky Analogue to Sky Digital SD and then to Sky HD have all been less than 10 years.

Money is a great thing to encourage change, they went to digital to stick more stations on their satelltes.

[Jarrak]

Originally Posted by JBlink

Yep - 4th June 2018. 4:30 PM


Wouldn't it be funny if this proved to be correct

It would be scarey

[kelv22144]

Originally Posted by remlap

Money is a great thing to encourage change, they went to digital to stick more stations on their satelltes.

No they did it to offer us superior picture quality and sound

[skyscraper101]

It is a shame that if Japan are already trialing Super HD now that the general opinion here seems to be that it would be 10 years at the soonest that the UK would be able to see the benefits of a Super HD service rather than the current HD on offer

They'll probably be watching 4-D content via brain implants in Japan by that stage

[Glenn24v]

Originally Posted by chrishampson

The new Sky HD system is good. However, I've been pretty underwhelmed since I finally got to see the picture quality of Sky HD on a brand new Sony Bravia in the local Sony Center yesterday showing the BBC HD feed. Although the picture quality is better than SD I can STILL see some pixelation and loss of detail at far away objects on-screen much more than I expected to after reading all the excited people's reviews of Sky HD on these boards. Still it is a step in the right direction, and thats good.

I was wondering, when will we see 'Super HD' quality in the UK - or even better some kind of 3D holographic broadcast which would improve on the current quality of HD to provide a better picture than we're currently getting?

I read that NHK in Tokyo were looking at Super HD soon. How long before we see something like this in the UK? I'd be interested in anything which can inprove on the current output of HD on offer in the UK, surely we need better quality and more lifelike viewing?

It would also be great to have an option where you can activate lifelike smells to enhance the feeling of a film, or documentary or even live on-site sampling (like an outdoor news broadcast) which could be introduced into the broadcast and fed into our rooms for a more 'real' experience so you could expeience the smell of the grass at Wimbledon (or Glastonbury) or even the smell of war reports on the news or the Amazon Rainforest on Discovery. Maybe even an option to show content which comes out of the screen like in IMAX cinemas where you need those cool glasses and then some things could be in 3-D (imagine watching Corronation Street and being able to see and smell Betty's Hot Pots in the Rovers in 3-D..amazing haha!)

Does anyone have any information on when this might happen? Is there any development into such systems - it would be great to see something like this happen soon.

I have heard rumours that Sony are currently developing a vomit dispenser so when you see somebody vomiting on TV, it actually makes a pavement pizza in your front room.

[meltcity]

Originally Posted by chrishampson

I'd be interested in anything which can inprove on the current output of HD on offer in the UK, surely we need better quality and more lifelike viewing?

You don't need SuperHD. Wait a couple of years and the HD displays will be so much better they will make current HD displays look like SD ones.

[infiniteloop]

Originally Posted by meltcity

You don't need SuperHD. Wait a couple of years and the HD displays will be so much better they will make current HD displays look like SD ones.

got to agree with this. Having seen proper HD on very very large pro projectors, the current crop of LCDs and many plasmas are far less capable than their successors will be.

[kelv22144]

Originally Posted by infiniteloop

got to agree with this. Having seen proper HD on very very large pro projectors, the current crop of LCDs and many plasmas are far less capable than their successors will be.

I'm sure you are correct, I've heard of a new type of LCD due out at the end of next year from Toshiba which is going to be closer to a CRT, any thoughts?

[infiniteloop]

Originally Posted by kelv22144

I'm sure you are correct, I've heard of a new type of LCD due out at the end of next year from Toshiba which is going to be closer to a CRT, any thoughts?

Do you mean OLED? that shows lots of promise. In the meantime i'm getting 1280x768 LCD proj to replace my EDTV LCD proj, but i'm going to get a lowish-end one so I don't feel so bad replacing it in 2 years with a nice 1080p one :-)

[JimRockford]

Originally Posted by kelv22144

Well the jump from Sky Analogue to Sky Digital SD and then to Sky HD have all been less than 10 years.

The Jump from SKY analogue to SKY Digital did not require you to buy a new TV though. Also, SKY Analogue had been running for about 10 years before the upgrade to Digital began.

In order to view HD you need an HD capable TV. Super HD would require you to again upgrade your display panel.

It will take at least 5-10 years before the majority of people have converted to HD.

Current HD is where things will stay for a good 20-30 years.

[skyscraper101]

Originally Posted by JimRockford

Current HD is where things will stay for a good 20-30 years.

Why should we put up with this?? The Japanese will be light years ahead in display technology by then and we will be watching sub-standard Sky HD with its pixelation issues and loss of detail because MPEG-4 is a limited technology.

20-30 years?? This is depressing

[infiniteloop]

aren't you getting a bit ahead of yourself? It's not like the Japanese will have loads of content to watch in their mythical Super HD - the resolutions you're talking about are higher than 35mm, which is currently where we get most HD material from. Unless you're dead keen on sumo wrestling or J-league, why should you get so worried about it? You're also judging MPEG4's "pixelation and loss of detail" on seeing one LCD panel in a shop. How do you know those issues weren't being imposed by the TV? In what way are you certain MPEG4 is "limited"? MPEG2 came on in leaps and bounds from where we were in 1997.

[Vashta Nerada]

Originally Posted by kelv22144

No they did it to offer us superior picture quality and sound

Dont tell me you believe everything sky tells you?

[Blake Connolly]

Full details on Ultra HD here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video

Drawbacks are that recordings take a huge amount of disk space and people who saw the test say that it is "too real" and brings about motion sickness.

[skyscraper101]

Originally Posted by infiniteloop

aren't you getting a bit ahead of yourself?

Maybe I am getting a little ahead of myself, but I would like to think things will move on and improve on what I've seen so far. Actually I've seen HD quality in other places too but this week was the first time I got to see a broadcast in HD.

I just hope it won't be long before we can start getting Super HD and Aroma Vision and various other ultra high definition technologies which encompass the whole viewing experience - not just limited to a 'screen' but something that takes over your entire concious mind - vision, taste, hearing and smell (if we want). I think we should all want to strive for this as an option in the future because I'm sure there would be a demand for it and they'd probably be leagues ahead in development in the far east while we're still watching our version of 'high definition' on a display unit and limited to having to be in one place to view it (eg living room). Man it already sounds old hat just thinking about how futuristic we could be...haha.

[JimRockford]

Originally Posted by chrishampson

Why should we put up with this?? The Japanese will be light years ahead in display technology by then and we will be watching sub-standard Sky HD with its pixelation issues and loss of detail because MPEG-4 is a limited technology.

20-30 years?? This is depressing

There's more to life than HD and perfect PQ, mate.

I do believe that once you have very good HD picture, anything else is just plain greedy. You see the large majority of people are happy enough just to enjoy the content of the film or programme, without worrying if it's 1080i or 720p or how many artifacts they can count. Because they aren't even looking for that kind of thing.

Trying to sell the next generation of HD, Super HD or whatever it is will be completely worthless to most people. That's the reality of the situation.

[skyscraper101]

Well with that kind of approach we would never strive for more superior technology and would probably still be watching black and white pictures

I don't think anyone would disagree that it is possible to improve on our current standard for 'High Definition' - why should you not demand more if you want it? Its not greed, its desire.

It would certainly be great to see how good the Super HD quality from NHK is going to prove to be. The information from Wikipedia is great on the tests. I want to see it now!! We're always so slow and late with any new technology in the UK and its far more expensive than anywhere else

[JimRockford]

Ultra HD might be useful for large screen projection, but you'd be hard pressed to sell it to anybody watching on anything less than a 42 inch screen. Even then they'd have to be obsessive.

Think of the bandwidth it would use. I think we'd be better off striving for perfection with current HD.

The thread is asking when are we going to get it, and I'm saying that the reality is that we probably wont, at least not for a very long time.

[skyscraper101]

That is a shame. Although bandwidth and storage space is getting cheaper and cheaper all the time.

According to Wiki, 18 minutes of uncompressed UHDV footage consumes 3.5 terabytes of data and 1 minute of footage consumes 194 gigabytes. Surely we could achieve a storage capacity of 250 terabytes for approximately 20 hours worth of storage on a Sky UHD box within 8 or 9 years for the home market.

All we would need to do is ensure a network which could handle 24 gigabit speed and which utilises dense wavelength division multiplex technology as demonstrated by NHK in 2005.

Think of the possibilities, we could even project movies from up in the sky and beam down to whole neighbourhoods or festivals, and we could introduce completely spherically perfect suround screen plasma cinemas which create alternate realities with synthetic environment shifting with Aroma Vision and integrate interactive experiences which can be user controlled. Just an idea but surely much much better than Sky HD on a TV.

Just a thought. It would be like real life, but better.