Originally Posted by Peter We:
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BBR>Thought we were discussing TV not broadband?
So how many of their 2.4 million homes passed have Homechoice? Cable takeup is 30% or so with virtually 100% cross-availability with satellite so I presume Homechoice must have hundreds of thousands of customers... Infact as 'most' of their area covered according to you has no alternative they must be at a good half a million, right?
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Will you get it out of your head at that Sky is available to 100% of the population, its not. Millions of people can't get Sky so its not relevant.
You cannot seperate Broadband service from TV service as you feel like, its the whole point of their triple play (which you don't see the point of ).
So its a choice between dedicated NTL cable TV service and another ISP broadband or if available, NTL broadband and TV. Guess what? they are more expensive than homechoice.
And NTL are commonly held to be F***ing rubbish by existing and past customers. They have very high churn, poor takeup and growth to prove it.
Why on earth are you so against HC when the choice is more expensive, un-available and from companies with dire reputations like Sky and NTL?”
*Sigh* here we go again.
Firstly I didn't say that Sky was available to 100% of the population, I said that nearly 100% of the people who can take cable can take satellite.
I would also be interested in seeing some facts regarding how many people can't get Sky...
Secondly if you want to discuss very high churn let's discuss that. Even the appauling ntl's churn is around 12%, somewhat lower than your beloved's churn of 40% or so.
Let's discuss poor takeup as well shall we? Cable has a triple play takeup of around 30%. Homechoice have a take up of around 3%. As far as growth goes, yeah sure they are growing though as you reckoned they would have 100,000 customers around Jan / Feb this year they obviously aren't growing as quickly as you think.
Cheaper? Really? Depends what you want, more below.
You are in a somewhat unique position where Homechoice is the only real option. Those are the
only customers Homechoice is a clear choice for.
I have a lot more TV channels than you, PVR built in, a second box which you don't get without a second phone line, and now broadband at nearly triple the speed you do, doesn't slow down when I watch TV either.
The cost of all this? Well as I have Sky's movies and sports channels it all costs LESS than the closest thing that Homechoice offer due to the prodigious cost of Sky by Wire. The Homechoice package has many less channels.
It's not just about the money, Peter, it's about the lack of channels, the lack of broadband speeds relative to others, it's about the product overall not being up to scratch.
Which part of this don't you understand?
It's like talking to Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf aka the former Iraqi Minister of Information.
'Homechoice is the best service in the UK at the best prices' There are not hundreds more channels available for less on Sky and cable, there are no extra channels anywhere'.
'Homechoice offer the fastest broadband in the UK, there are no 16 and 24Mbit services available from other suppliers. I don't need more than Homechoice offer and neither do you.'
'Homechoice is the greatest company in the world, there is no competition. I see no competition and neither will you'.
What it all comes down to really is that Homechoice is the best thing you can get due to your very limited choice, and you appear completely unable to grasp the concept that for others of us that is NOT the case.
Last edited by BBRealist : 02-08-2006 at 15:57