Why is Wap So Crap?

Supernova · 22-11-2002, 00:22

I love the Internet and all the things that go with it.

But I can't really get into this Wap stuff. I see a lot of threads on here about WAP so people must use it. I only use it to view this site when i'm 'one the move'. What do people on here use WAP for? What sites do you visit, and what users does it give you?

Any URL's for interesting WAP sites would be welcome.

Quackers · 22-11-2002, 09:08

I use the Sky WAP site loads, if i am using the bus instead of driving, read the news, and see the tv listings so i know what to watch when i get home.

Rich2k · 22-11-2002, 09:25

Email.

I wrote my own WAP email program to be able to connect to any POP3 or IMAP server to read and send my email. Very useful sometimes if you're no where near a PC.

Actually I did find a very cool use for it. I was standing in a shop about to get a DVD but didn't know how the price compared to others so I connected to amazon.co.uk's WAP site and compared the price... it was the same so I bought in the shop.

10bellies · 22-11-2002, 16:21

Ananova and BBCi are both good sites.

pdcs4 · 23-11-2002, 17:12

WAP is handy for short periods, but at 9,600bps will never be a substitute for the Internet!

dslrocks · 23-11-2002, 22:12

Quote:

Originally posted by pdcs4
but at 9,600bps will never be a substitute for the Internet!

I think that you might have hit the nail right on the head there, SuperNova

Quackers · 24-11-2002, 10:20

Quote:

WAP is handy for short periods, but at 9,600bps will never be a substitute for the Internet!

Thats why we have GPRS

42,000Bps.

jammers · 24-11-2002, 10:50

I use WAP to check football scores and things like that. Reacently I have been downlaoding background pictures for my T68i and ring tones and stuff - WAP allows me to do that without ringing one of these ring tone complanies that will charge £1.50 a ring tone.

With GPRS its fast and cheap - my WAP section of my bill is normally about £2.00, much cheaper than when I didnt have GPRS.

25-11-2002, 00:30

ive always used wap, but the other day i found i could get free GPRS (!!!

!!!) on o2 pay & go, (don't know why!) so ive been using it loads. the best site is www.click4wap.co.uk - loads of links to explore (and there's an adult section

- another great use for wap!!!

)

Andy

Rich2k · 25-11-2002, 09:48

I've just seen you can get free MMS from O2 until the end of Jan... now wheres that darn customer service number on their website?

jong · 25-11-2002, 10:50

BBCi is great for news. Kizoom is superb for finding train times.

Personally I have a GPRS WAP phone and a bluetooth connected PDA. For simple enquiries where a wap site exists WAP is much much more productive on the move than bringing up full web pages on a PDA.

Speed is the problem, not WAP itself.

Role on 3G!

25-11-2002, 23:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich2k
I've just seen you can get free MMS from O2 until the end of Jan... now wheres that darn customer service number on their website?

why do you need that? if you still need it, its 08705 214000

free mms would be great, *if* i could get the bloody thing to work!!!

:'( :'(

Rich2k · 26-11-2002, 00:07

because you have to tell o2 that your phone can recieve MMS (and it says so on their site

), also I haven't got it GPRS enabled yet (which I will do at the same time).

26-11-2002, 17:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich2k
because you have to tell o2 that your phone can recieve MMS (and it says so on their site ), also I haven't got it GPRS enabled yet (which I will do at the same time).

aha! thats what mine isn't working...

Rich2k · 26-11-2002, 19:50

Yeah well get this o2 told me today you can't use GPRS and MMS on the same phone, something to do with billing and even though MMS works through GPRS.

However I have now enabled my phone for MMS and sent a test message through to my email account (of course it would be too much to ask for it to actually ARRIVE at my email address

)

However I can still browse using GPRS now how they going to bill me for that and at what rates having been told be customer services AND their data support people that you can't have both at the same time but 'at some point in the future'

26-11-2002, 23:08

apparently, my 7210 is compatible with MMS on their network.... tw*ts!!!! but can anyone explain how i'm getting free GPRS? and how long it'll last? also, im trying to get GPRS working on my laptop. so far, i can connect it, but i can only visit sites on the o2.co.uk domain. any ideas? btw, im using the access point payandgo.o2.co.uk .

TIA!

Rich2k · 26-11-2002, 23:41

Well thats effectively what I am getting, they told me they had to stop my GPRS tariff so I could use MMS. Now I can send MMS (although they leave my phone they don't seem to arrive anywhere) without getting user blocked anymore. However in the same stroke I can still connect to GPRS but now I'm not paying.... hmm I wonder what will appear on my bill at the end of the month. The o2 website says my number hasn't used any data though!

27-11-2002, 18:32

so you reckon my free gprs will run out on 31st Jan along with the free MMS offer?

N-I-C-K · 27-11-2002, 18:58

I've got a wap phone but never use it for the simple reason being it's too expensive. 10p a minute for such a slow and boring service.

But then you got to tell yourself that when the internet was first aimed at PC users it was extremely slow and the equipment was very expensive. Wasn't it something like £200+ for a 14k modem.

Technology gets bigger and better so quickly that give it a few years and people will think ADSL is has crap as a standard dial-up is now.

Who knows what the future has in store.

Raks55 · 27-11-2002, 19:20

I'm on T-Mobile and i just got MMS activated on my phone. Along with this GPRS got activated just like the rest of you guys on O2. And i can also use GPRS wap but the T-Mobile operator says i shouldn't be able to do that as there is no billing system in place for that. So i been using GPRS for wap and havent been charged at all.

Rich2k · 27-11-2002, 23:42

Yep it's so strange.. they tell me it's not possible due to billing yet I can still connect!

mark_zilch · 28-11-2002, 11:50

Wright here goes as far as o2 are concerned ans I think the otheres as well you can have gprs wap access with mms infact mms uses gprs transport for the messages, but the reason its currently free is the billing system can't hande the mms fixed cost per message rather than the data volume cost.

Dont go away it gets better apparently tou can't have gprs WEB access and MMS..they say its compatibility problems but again its all down to billing..I actually have got GPRS WEB and MMS but a friend with exactly the same equip T681 and bluetooth PDA tried to get GPRS WEB enabled on his account and they told him it's impossible...he then informed them that I had it and even after checking my account they dont believe me .....Oh well next bill should be interesting...good luck trieng to get any mixture of sevices enabled.

Rich2k · 28-11-2002, 13:57

I have got MMS and was told that it was not possible to get GPRS WAP on my T68i but I can still access it!

And they did confirm it was a billing issue rather than technical.

I guess you are right in that MMS is charged per message but GPRS WAP is charge by data transfer yet they both send over the same protocol.

pdcs4 · 29-11-2002, 13:15

Quote:

Originally posted by ripsaw82
Thats why we have GPRS 42,000Bps.

Std WAP is crap, GPRS is not so bad!

jonat8 · 29-11-2002, 13:47

I use Yahoo News quite a bit and Kizoom for the train times. Also when I place orders from Amazon.co.uk it's useful to check the status of the order in case I can't get to a PC... always seems to be pretty reliable to me but the speed leaves something to be desired.

My phone has built in POP3 retrieval but it doesnt work with the WAP number... I had to sign up with a free 0845 ISP and use that for retrieving mail.

22-11-2002, 00:22	#1
Supernova Banned User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Nottingham Posts: 2,549	Why is Wap So Crap? I love the Internet and all the things that go with it. But I can't really get into this Wap stuff. I see a lot of threads on here about WAP so people must use it. I only use it to view this site when i'm 'one the move'. What do people on here use WAP for? What sites do you visit, and what users does it give you? Any URL's for interesting WAP sites would be welcome.

25-11-2002, 00:30	#9
Pingu Posts: n/a	ive always used wap, but the other day i found i could get free GPRS (!!!!!!) on o2 pay & go, (don't know why!) so ive been using it loads. the best site is www.click4wap.co.uk - loads of links to explore (and there's an adult section - another great use for wap!!!) Andy

28-11-2002, 11:50	#22
mark_zilch Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hainault Posts: 4	O2 gprs (web) and MMs Wright here goes as far as o2 are concerned ans I think the otheres as well you can have gprs wap access with mms infact mms uses gprs transport for the messages, but the reason its currently free is the billing system can't hande the mms fixed cost per message rather than the data volume cost. Dont go away it gets better apparently tou can't have gprs WEB access and MMS..they say its compatibility problems but again its all down to billing..I actually have got GPRS WEB and MMS but a friend with exactly the same equip T681 and bluetooth PDA tried to get GPRS WEB enabled on his account and they told him it's impossible...he then informed them that I had it and even after checking my account they dont believe me .....Oh well next bill should be interesting...good luck trieng to get any mixture of sevices enabled.

22-11-2002, 09:08	#2
Quackers Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,665	I use the Sky WAP site loads, if i am using the bus instead of driving, read the news, and see the tv listings so i know what to watch when i get home.

22-11-2002, 09:25	#3
Rich2k Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 3,000	Email. I wrote my own WAP email program to be able to connect to any POP3 or IMAP server to read and send my email. Very useful sometimes if you're no where near a PC. Actually I did find a very cool use for it. I was standing in a shop about to get a DVD but didn't know how the price compared to others so I connected to amazon.co.uk's WAP site and compared the price... it was the same so I bought in the shop.

22-11-2002, 16:21	#4
10bellies Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,856	Ananova and BBCi are both good sites.

23-11-2002, 17:12	#5
pdcs4 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.K / Italy / Switzerland Posts: 55	WAP is handy for short periods, but at 9,600bps will never be a substitute for the Internet!

23-11-2002, 22:12	#6
dslrocks Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Between the gutter and stars Posts: 6,825	Quote: Originally posted by pdcs4 but at 9,600bps will never be a substitute for the Internet! I think that you might have hit the nail right on the head there, SuperNova

24-11-2002, 10:20	#7
Quackers Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,665	Quote: WAP is handy for short periods, but at 9,600bps will never be a substitute for the Internet! Thats why we have GPRS 42,000Bps.

24-11-2002, 10:50	#8
jammers Inactive Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London Posts: 4,223	I use WAP to check football scores and things like that. Reacently I have been downlaoding background pictures for my T68i and ring tones and stuff - WAP allows me to do that without ringing one of these ring tone complanies that will charge £1.50 a ring tone. With GPRS its fast and cheap - my WAP section of my bill is normally about £2.00, much cheaper than when I didnt have GPRS.

25-11-2002, 09:48	#10
Rich2k Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 3,000	I've just seen you can get free MMS from O2 until the end of Jan... now wheres that darn customer service number on their website?

25-11-2002, 10:50	#11
jong Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kingston, London Posts: 1,006	BBCi is great for news. Kizoom is superb for finding train times. Personally I have a GPRS WAP phone and a bluetooth connected PDA. For simple enquiries where a wap site exists WAP is much much more productive on the move than bringing up full web pages on a PDA. Speed is the problem, not WAP itself. Role on 3G!

25-11-2002, 23:14	#12
Pingu Posts: n/a	Quote: Originally posted by Rich2k I've just seen you can get free MMS from O2 until the end of Jan... now wheres that darn customer service number on their website? why do you need that? if you still need it, its 08705 214000 free mms would be great, if i could get the bloody thing to work!!! :'( :'(

26-11-2002, 00:07	#13
Rich2k Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 3,000	because you have to tell o2 that your phone can recieve MMS (and it says so on their site ), also I haven't got it GPRS enabled yet (which I will do at the same time).

26-11-2002, 17:08	#14
Pingu Posts: n/a	Quote: Originally posted by Rich2k because you have to tell o2 that your phone can recieve MMS (and it says so on their site ), also I haven't got it GPRS enabled yet (which I will do at the same time). aha! thats what mine isn't working...

26-11-2002, 19:50	#15
Rich2k Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 3,000	Yeah well get this o2 told me today you can't use GPRS and MMS on the same phone, something to do with billing and even though MMS works through GPRS. However I have now enabled my phone for MMS and sent a test message through to my email account (of course it would be too much to ask for it to actually ARRIVE at my email address ) However I can still browse using GPRS now how they going to bill me for that and at what rates having been told be customer services AND their data support people that you can't have both at the same time but 'at some point in the future'

26-11-2002, 23:08	#16
Pingu Posts: n/a	apparently, my 7210 is compatible with MMS on their network.... tw*ts!!!! but can anyone explain how i'm getting free GPRS? and how long it'll last? also, im trying to get GPRS working on my laptop. so far, i can connect it, but i can only visit sites on the o2.co.uk domain. any ideas? btw, im using the access point payandgo.o2.co.uk . TIA!

26-11-2002, 23:41	#17
Rich2k Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 3,000	Well thats effectively what I am getting, they told me they had to stop my GPRS tariff so I could use MMS. Now I can send MMS (although they leave my phone they don't seem to arrive anywhere) without getting user blocked anymore. However in the same stroke I can still connect to GPRS but now I'm not paying.... hmm I wonder what will appear on my bill at the end of the month. The o2 website says my number hasn't used any data though!

27-11-2002, 18:32	#18
Pingu Posts: n/a	so you reckon my free gprs will run out on 31st Jan along with the free MMS offer?

27-11-2002, 18:58	#19
N-I-C-K Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,119	I've got a wap phone but never use it for the simple reason being it's too expensive. 10p a minute for such a slow and boring service. But then you got to tell yourself that when the internet was first aimed at PC users it was extremely slow and the equipment was very expensive. Wasn't it something like £200+ for a 14k modem. Technology gets bigger and better so quickly that give it a few years and people will think ADSL is has crap as a standard dial-up is now. Who knows what the future has in store.

27-11-2002, 19:20	#20
Raks55 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: North West London Posts: 270	I'm on T-Mobile and i just got MMS activated on my phone. Along with this GPRS got activated just like the rest of you guys on O2. And i can also use GPRS wap but the T-Mobile operator says i shouldn't be able to do that as there is no billing system in place for that. So i been using GPRS for wap and havent been charged at all.

27-11-2002, 23:42	#21
Rich2k Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 3,000	Yep it's so strange.. they tell me it's not possible due to billing yet I can still connect!

28-11-2002, 13:57	#23
Rich2k Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 3,000	I have got MMS and was told that it was not possible to get GPRS WAP on my T68i but I can still access it! And they did confirm it was a billing issue rather than technical. I guess you are right in that MMS is charged per message but GPRS WAP is charge by data transfer yet they both send over the same protocol.

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29-11-2002, 13:15	#24
pdcs4 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.K / Italy / Switzerland Posts: 55	Quote: Originally posted by ripsaw82 Thats why we have GPRS 42,000Bps. Std WAP is crap, GPRS is not so bad!

29-11-2002, 13:47	#25
jonat8 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Norwich Posts: 1,584	I use Yahoo News quite a bit and Kizoom for the train times. Also when I place orders from Amazon.co.uk it's useful to check the status of the order in case I can't get to a PC... always seems to be pretty reliable to me but the speed leaves something to be desired. My phone has built in POP3 retrieval but it doesnt work with the WAP number... I had to sign up with a free 0845 ISP and use that for retrieving mail.