[OneManBand_007]

WARNING: these TV's do not allow you to change the Colour when using a DVi input.

Everyone knows that using a VGA (PC) input on a typical HDTV means you cannot change the colour setting on the actual TV.

But, my neighbour just bought the Wharfedale (more likely an ALBA !) sold exclusively through Argos LCD 2710 HDAF....which just means it is a 27" LCD TV.

When we attached a Samsung HD850 upscaling DVD (and presumably this would also apply to a Sky HD Box or HD DVD).....only Brightness & Contrast were available in the TV menu.....ie the same as using the VGA input.

So, in effect, what the designers of these LCD TV's are saying is:

......."OK, for Digital (built-in) and anything attached via Scart leads we'll let the consumer change the colour settings, but if you want it for proper digital HiDef..via the DVi input.....they cannot change the colour !" - why ? - every other LCD TV I have read about, and the Sanyo LD5 that I own at present, are perfectly normal.....except for VGA: which you expect....and rarely use anyway !

It may not be so bad if the colour was set to a useable level: it is not ! - it is so high it "bleeds".

What a crock......avoid if I were you....'cos eventually everyone with a LCD TV will want to attach some kind of HD device...when SKy comes down to a reasonable price for example !!!! Do so at your peril !!!!!!!

(In theory it could be got around if it had component connections: it doesn't !!!)

[a04188]

just stay away from argos althogether!!

[Fishface]

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Originally Posted by OneManBand_007

WARNING: these TV's do not allow you to change the Colour when using a DVi input.

Everyone knows that using a VGA (PC) input on a typical HDTV means you cannot change the colour setting on the actual TV.

But, my neighbour just bought the Wharfedale (more likely an ALBA !) sold exclusively through Argos LCD 2710 HDAF....which just means it is a 27" LCD TV.

When we attached a Samsung HD850 upscaling DVD (and presumably this would also apply to a Sky HD Box or HD DVD).....only Brightness & Contrast were available in the TV menu.....ie the same as using the VGA input.

So, in effect, what the designers of these LCD TV's are saying is:

......."OK, for Digital (built-in) and anything attached via Scart leads we'll let the consumer change the colour settings, but if you want it for proper digital HiDef..via the DVi input.....they cannot change the colour !" - why ? - every other LCD TV I have read about, and the Sanyo LD5 that I own at present, are perfectly normal.....except for VGA: which you expect....and rarely use anyway !

It may not be so bad if the colour was set to a useable level: it is not ! - it is so high it "bleeds".

What a crock......avoid if I were you....'cos eventually everyone with a LCD TV will want to attach some kind of HD device...when SKy comes down to a reasonable price for example !!!! Do so at your peril !!!!!!!

(In theory it could be got around if it had component connections: it doesn't !!!)

You can get a refund within 2 weeks. And they come and collect it as well.

[OneManBand_007]

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Originally Posted by Fishface

You can get a refund within 2 weeks. And they come and collect it as well.

Too late for a refund unfortunately....just wanted the "world" to know tho...I see a few queries on the forums about these wharfedales and thought it useful to spread the word of warning !!!

Cheers

[tonyeddy]

dont buy wharfedale tv badge rebrands list of trouble as long as my arm.

[Chris Frost]

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Originally Posted by OneManBand_007

WARNING: these TV's do not allow you to change the Colour when using a DVi input.

DVI was originally designed as a computer connector for digital and analogue video signals; not for home cinema/TV use. So in some respects it's not surprising that there's no colour adjustment available.

Strictly speaking the colour level should be set by the source device. The display should simply be there to display the image with the correct colour gamut for the type of signal. That's not much consolation when your TV overcooks the colour though, I know,

DVI has some other limitations too compared to HDMI, the most significant being that it shouldn't allow 480i / 576i; but this is only really relevant to people using scalers. I seem to recall there may be some other restrictions about the resolution and frame rates that would be allowed. I'm sure someone else will be along to post some detail on that, or tell me that I'm talking bo**ocks. The other really important thing is that DVI doesn't automatically mean HDCP compliance. Now that is really important.

All I'm saying is that the DVI standard has been corrupted to allow all sorts of things to happen in the Home Cinema world that weren't in the original DVI spec. Buyers beware of DVI equipped displays.

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Originally Posted by Chris Frost

DVI was originally designed as a computer connector for digital and analogue video signals; not for home cinema/TV use. So in some respects it's not surprising that there's no colour adjustment available.

Strictly speaking the colour level should be set by the source device. The display should simply be there to display the image with the correct colour gamut for the type of signal. That's not much consolation when your TV overcooks the colour though, I know,

DVI has some other limitations too compared to HDMI, the most significant being that it shouldn't allow 480i / 576i; but this is only really relevant to people using scalers. I seem to recall there may be some other restrictions about the resolution and frame rates that would be allowed. I'm sure someone else will be along to post some detail on that, or tell me that I'm talking bo**ocks. The other really important thing is that DVI doesn't automatically mean HDCP compliance. Now that is really important.

All I'm saying is that the DVI standard has been corrupted to allow all sorts of things to happen in the Home Cinema world that weren't in the original DVI spec. Buyers beware of DVI equipped displays.

I brought a 32" LG LCD TV about 3 Years ago that was advertised as "HD Ready"

It only has a DVI input B U T apart from the obvious sound thing, the picture is absolutely SUPERB.

In fact, better than my mate's 42" Panasonic Viera, my Brothers £2500 Hitachi 42" plasma thing and my Dads BRAND NEW 37" Samsung 37" LCD.

So. Any comments??????????????

[Chris Frost]

Like what???

[fmradiotuner1]

Most 32in TVs will be better than most 42in TVs as people sit to close to the bigger ones.

[Nigel Goodwin]

As far as I see it there should be no colour adjustment on HDMI/DVI, because it's RGB (or at least Component), so there's no colour signal to adjust.

Just like RGB mode, you adjust the contrast to adjust the colour, which does the same thing.

You only adjust the colour on a colour coding system, like PAL, NTSC or SECAM - it doesn't apply to anything else.