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Don't expect the same Nikki
fordj
04-08-2006
Being a Nikki fan at first I was really happy about my fave going back in but now thinking about it I’m not so sure. I don’t think we should expect to see the same Nikki that some of us grew to love over the weeks. Remember she was completely oblivious as to how her actions we’re being perceived and now she isn’t. Maybe the pressure “to perform” will be too much for her and she’ll either over act or even worse go into her shell.

I always thought that she left the show at the right time, on her final week she had completely ran out of steam, had she stayed any longer at lot of her fans may have drifted. Instead she left when her popularity was pretty much at a peak. Hasn’t she just been given her own show, isn’t that enough, what gain would there be for her to go back in?
i_am_the_mr_man
04-08-2006
It will be like Jon Tickle all over again!
Alrightmate
04-08-2006
They tried it with Jon Tickle, and it didn't quite have the intended effect.

If Nikki isn't eligible to win,...then the same pressures aren't there anymore.

Much of a housemate's behaviour is going to be determined by the pressure that the game itself puts onto them.
Fear of being nominated.
Fear of rejection.
Fear of being evicted.
Paranoid that somebody is trying to get you nominated.
Paranoid that somebody is trying to get you evicted.
Thoughts about chances of winning.
Thought's about winning the money.
Fear of the public's perception of you.
Fear of the public booing or chanting you.
Fear of the tabloid press printing a story of a scandal, kiss and tell, or rumour.
Fear about your family, how they are being treated, what they think of you.
Fear of the unknown.

These pressures just don't exist anymore.
So a housemate returning to the BB house just isn't going to have the same outlook as when they did when they were in the game.
Last edited by Alrightmate : 04-08-2006 at 08:53
appalachian
04-08-2006
Quote:
“Don't expect the same Nikki”

I wasn't. It was quite obvious the other one was broken and so I'm expecting them to send one that isn't this time.
piranhaville
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by fordj:
“Being a Nikki fan at first I was really happy about my fave going back in but now thinking about it I’m not so sure. I don’t think we should expect to see the same Nikki that some of us grew to love over the weeks.”

But she was just being herself then, so now should be no different, surely...?
sepofab
04-08-2006
Nikki has actually talked about her embarassment about her tantrum throwing having watched the footage...

So, we just might get to see another more controlled 'grown up' side to Nikki... (not that I want her to "change"...

...I'll love her either ways anyway!!!
Last edited by sepofab : 04-08-2006 at 09:17
sepofab
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by i_am_the_mr_man:
“It will be like Jon Tickle all over again!”

Moan Moan Moan...

that's all some people do...

this sort of twist will stir things up a bit in the house & will definately be GOOD TV... so why are people complaining???

BB is an ENTERTAINMENT SHOW FFS!!!

I suggest you sit back, relax & enjoy the ride...

Bring it on BB... Can't wait for tonight!!!
Window Shopper
04-08-2006
I think this could do her damage. If she does go in and starts on Jenni over Pete most people will turn on her and lets not forget she did get 37% of the vote which is a lot out of 9 other housemates so she can't have been that popular anyways.

It would be good to see her back but only if they can't nominate or win.
N X M
04-08-2006
Very good analysis fordj and Alrightmate

Personally I'd grown thoroughly bored of Nikki by the end of her stay (same goes for Lisa and Leah) but I wouldn't throw my toys out of the cot if she went back in. I just don't think it will make good TV. I'd guess most of the interest in voting comes from people you don't want to win realising the GBP don't like them - if it's happened once it loses all of its impact second time around
r.a.i.n.b.o.w
04-08-2006
Grew to love? I thought she was fab at first, really funny....but she soon showed herself to be a one-trick pony, and that trick was one any four year old could do. The more she stamped her foot, sulked and threw her toys on the floor, the more I went off her. By the time she left, I was completely bored of her, and was grateful to see the back of her so that we could see some of the others on screen...

If Nikki goes back in tonight, I hope Endemol don't give her more than her fair share of air time.
N X M
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by sepofab:
“Moan Moan Moan...

that's all some people do...

this sort of twist will stir things up a bit in the house & will definately be GOOD TV... so why are people complaining???

BB is an ENTERTAINMENT SHOW FFS!!!

I suggest you sit back, relax & enjoy the ride...

Bring it on BB... Can't wait for tonight!!! ”

Are you going to cut and paste the same post on every single thread today?
asantewah87
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by r.a.i.n.b.o.w:
“Grew to love? I thought she was fab at first, really funny....but she soon showed herself to be a one-trick pony, and that trick was one any four year old could do. The more she stamped her foot, sulked and threw her toys on the floor, the more I went off her. By the time she left, I was completely bored of her, and was grateful to see the back of her so that we could see some of the others on screen...

If Nikki goes back in tonight, I hope Endemol don't give her more than her fair share of air time.”

It's gonna be the Nikki show in overdrive
sepofab
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by N X M:
“Are you going to cut and paste the same post on every single thread today? ”


i just might post it to this reply if you continue MOANING

....... christmas has come early. Nikki is back!!!

oh... yeah ( the Spiral way).
Last edited by sepofab : 04-08-2006 at 09:16
Old Punkette
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by Window Shopper:
“ It would be good to see her back but only if they can't nominate or win.”

I agree. I was getting tired of her antics towards the end but now I'd quite like to see her shake them all up a bit. But as she has been in the outside world for a while now and has knowledge of what the public think of the HMs, surely she must only be returning as a house guest? If the rumours are true, it will be a nice twist anyway, it is getting a bit dull in there.
tomorrow
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by appalachian:
“I wasn't. It was quite obvious the other one was broken and so I'm expecting them to send one that isn't this time.”

Like it!
cherry o
04-08-2006
Nikki will be the fun, great Nikki who was in the house for 7 weeks. The week before she left she was a mess and that is when her less pleasant side came out. Not having any pressures and being given a second chance will enable us to see the first 7 week Nikki and I cannot wait
Bertha_Kitt
04-08-2006
I daresay it will be 'same old same old'. She knows what the public like about her and she will keep the routine going. Fair play as it has been shown that's what the public wants, evidently.
nevergonnapost
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by appalachian:
“I wasn't. It was quite obvious the other one was broken and so I'm expecting them to send one that isn't this time.”

That's very funny

I'm not entirely sure Nikki will grasp the fact she can't win. So I really think she'll act the same as before.

And much as I keep repeating the mantra "it's only an entertainment show" through gritted teeth, I feel quite ill at the thought of her on my screen again.
Alrightmate
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by N X M:
“Very good analysis fordj and Alrightmate

Personally I'd grown thoroughly bored of Nikki by the end of her stay (same goes for Lisa and Leah) but I wouldn't throw my toys out of the cot if she went back in. I just don't think it will make good TV. I'd guess most of the interest in voting comes from people you don't want to win realising the GBP don't like them - if it's happened once it loses all of its impact second time around”

Thanks N X M.

I agree with you.
There's a saying in showbiz ...."You're only as good as your last show".
And I believe that this applies to Nikki to some extent.

I believe that it was the first 3 or 4 weeks where she'd been promoted as entertaining...and then started to gradually deteriorate afterwards.
But the image of her as 'entertaining' lived on as an image of her that was celebrated for a few weeks after she had been at her best. Lots of her old clips shown on BBLB and at any other oportunity on any other BB sister show...and thus the image lived on.

After about week four, she (to me) was deteriorating rapidly, and her diary room performances became ever more average...but were still enough to keep Nikki fans chipper.

I think it got to a point where many people just got sick of her at about week 5 and 6, and the novelty had worn off with many. It was a case of "Okay, what now? Do you do anything else?", and was examined with more scrutiny as her value as a person without all the histrionics.

At weeks 5 and 6 it felt more like Nikki was getting by on old diary room clips, and one or two of her tantrums that got replayed several times, but apparently to many was well past her sell by date. But the image of her as 'entertaining' was still put out there by the media and celebrity guests.

At weeks 6 and 7, she was still doing rants and tantrums,..but people were actually trying to judge her as a real bona fide person more closely now.
Now her diary room rants had just become bitter attacks on individuals, wheras before there were more rants about things like bottled water, air conditioning, and holes in her cheek, or pretty benign subjects.
When people had become desensitized to the rants and tantrums and were still trying to see them as funny, the humour possibly appeared to have disappeared, and people must have thought.."Hang on a minute...She's just basically slagging people off really isn't she?"
And the tantrums just looked mean spirited and depresssing.

So I'd say that she was long past her best with many, and it was basically the memory of her in the first month that people had been clinging on to, hoping that she would return back to how they remembered her.
But the decline of Nikki to many must have been obvious.
In her last 5 days the cycle was complete, and she was miserable, bitter, resentful, jealous, spiteful, unfriendly, mean spirited.
So she was evicted.

So that's why I believe it is the memory of Nikki from the first four weeks that some people cling to, and wish for. The media construct of Nikki that was 'entertaining' in very, very short clips, the caricature Nikki.

So when she comes back I'm not sure if it's going to work well or not.
Can't see much reason for tantrums now, due to the conditions being very different for her now.
And to be honest, I don't know what she is genuinely like in real life. Maybe other people don't know who she is as a real person as well either, due to the caricature Nikki cloaking and guarding who she is.


Last edited by Alrightmate : 04-08-2006 at 09:42
Alrightmate
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by Old Punkette:
“I agree. I was getting tired of her antics towards the end but now I'd quite like to see her shake them all up a bit. But as she has been in the outside world for a while now and has knowledge of what the public think of the HMs, surely she must only be returning as a house guest? If the rumours are true, it will be a nice twist anyway, it is getting a bit dull in there. ”

But how though?

I don't think it's such and easy proposition as many appear to feel.

1) You can't just decide to shake people up just like that, it just won't feel right.

2) She won't be the same person she was when she was in the house, simply because the conditions are entirely different and she won't feel the same things she did whilst in the house before.

3) Housemates will be suspicious. Anything Nikki does will be treated with extreme caution by the HMs, as they probably don't know what's going on and will be speculating and wondering what the score is. They were always trying to work out BBs plans and twists before.

Jon Tickle intended to shake them up when he re-entered the house. It had limited effects.
He said that he just didn't feel the same and felt differently towards them when he went back in. He said that he felt a bit of a fraud, and it just didn't feel appropriate to play those kinds of games with them when he was being friendly with them to their faces. People change, and he ended up liking Cameron, and just decided to pack in his plans when he saw Ray crying due partly to the stress he helped create.

Plus we've had loads of housemates in the past who've gone into the BB house with the intention of shaking the house up...it never worked.
It doesn't work.
With just about everybody who has tried before, .....it's not easy.
Last edited by Alrightmate : 04-08-2006 at 09:57
fordj
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“If Nikki isn't eligible to win,...then the same pressures aren't there anymore.”

So I guess you’re talking about how the removal of pressure will produce a different person and I’m talking about how the pressure of expectation may produce a different person but I guess we reach the same conclusion. I remember really looking forward to seeing Nikki on BBLB and BBBM and what we got was a rather vacuous individual lacking any of the charisma we had seen in the house. This is what I fear we may get this time round.
MRS LAWSON
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by fordj:
“Being a Nikki fan at first I was really happy about my fave going back in but now thinking about it I’m not so sure. I don’t think we should expect to see the same Nikki that some of us grew to love over the weeks. Remember she was completely oblivious as to how her actions we’re being perceived and now she isn’t. Maybe the pressure “to perform” will be too much for her and she’ll either over act or even worse go into her shell.

I always thought that she left the show at the right time, on her final week she had completely ran out of steam, had she stayed any longer at lot of her fans may have drifted. Instead she left when her popularity was pretty much at a peak. Hasn’t she just been given her own show, isn’t that enough, what gain would there be for her to go back in?”

I agree, and now she is aware of her popularity she could become a little divaesque and the other housemates may find her intolerable. She could be in danger of going down in the public estimation of her too. I loved her in the house before, but could this be overkill?. If it is the same voting system as before she is bound to go back in.
Alrightmate
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by fordj:
“So I guess you’re talking about how the removal of pressure will produce a different person and I’m talking about how the pressure of expectation may produce a different person but I guess we reach the same conclusion. I remember really looking forward to seeing Nikki on BBLB and BBBM and what we got was a rather vacuous individual lacking any of the charisma we had seen in the house. This is what I fear we may get this time round.”

Yes that's it fordj.
It's just going to be all different, and it's going to feel all different to her as well.

She'll probably end up making friends with the people in there some might least expect.

Like you say, she came across different on BB's sister shows, and if she 'acts' in a way to shake things up, she may not feel right doing it, because she still has to live with them, and may not feel right acting under false pretences in that kind of situation. If she feels herself that it's contrived, she may feel all funny about it and just not bother.
I saw her doing a tantrum thing to introduce a segment on 'The Friday Night Project' and it just didn't feel right at all.
Doing it as part of something that she feels people want and expect, may put so much pressure on her that she simply might not be able to do it.

mickmercer
04-08-2006
Originally Posted by piranhaville:
“But she was just being herself then, so now should be no different, surely...? ”

Don't be daft. What the real Nikki showed outside was that going into the house she'd decided to accentuate all her childish traits, having recognised their potential.

Outside she dresses like a woman, but inside a 12 year old. Outside she was a dull conversationalist and lacked wit. In the house she reacted funnily to the others, but relied on them accepting her. Going back as someone who they won't be as keen on seeing as before means she is forced to be a different character.

If she had a gameplan that's fine, but she can't use the one twice.
Last edited by mickmercer : 04-08-2006 at 10:05
astradyne
04-08-2006
She's a FAKE! I knew it all along!

Originally Posted by fordj:
“Being a Nikki fan at first I was really happy about my fave going back in but now thinking about it I’m not so sure. I don’t think we should expect to see the same Nikki that some of us grew to love over the weeks. Remember she was completely oblivious as to how her actions we’re being perceived and now she isn’t. Maybe the pressure “to perform” will be too much for her and she’ll either over act or even worse go into her shell.

I always thought that she left the show at the right time, on her final week she had completely ran out of steam, had she stayed any longer at lot of her fans may have drifted. Instead she left when her popularity was pretty much at a peak. Hasn’t she just been given her own show, isn’t that enough, what gain would there be for her to go back in?”

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