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4G , anybody else excited about it?
Just been reading about 4G, and i cannot wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shame it is not expected to be available until around 2011. :'(
It has so many applications, you plug these Virtual Reality glasses into the phone, and you can have virtual meetings with other people, or have guided tours of a certain place. You also have a 100Megabit Data connection! Also location based services which guide pedestrians from one place to another. I WANT NOW Will have to make do with 2.5 G, then 3G. 3G sounds great, just 4G sounds better
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The people who are most excited about it are the mobile companies who have spent a billions on 3G. The only problem is they are unlikley to make a profit on 3G in the during term of their liscence.
Still on the bright side 4G will give cable and telephone companies a run for their money for high speed net connections. Pity they wasted all that money on 3G though, not to mention the disappointing performance of 3G. |
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Excited about 4G, i've yet to see anything worth getting excited about on 3G.
Just because a technology will be capable of something doesn't mean it will be used, thats assuming they can get it working properly (Japan still not stable for 3G comms) After all ASDL has a max speed of 8Mbit... |
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I wonder how much the Goverment would want for that? They got 20 Billion for 3G licences so God knows what they would want for 4G, hopefully they wont get want they want so we can have an affordable service when its available as i feel that could be the stumbling block for 3G for quite a while.
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4G will cost no where near as much as 3G, because of the frequence's it uses, and the report said those that are smart will skip 3G all togeather, they will make the most money. I just like the Virtual Reality bit!
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Where can these articles be found on 4G ?
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Where can these articles be found on 4G ?
http://www.3g.co.uk/It was a subpage of that, an area dedicated to 4G, but i cannot see it now :'( BUT if you search for 4G on the search feature a lot of the articals come up.
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Ripsaw you may only have to wait till 2006 for 4G. Fast Forward To 4G The 3G is a mess and an overpaid for mess at that. MobilCom of Germany is already in over its head in debt and may go bust cos of the stupid price paid for 3G. Lots more will follow.
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But would these kind of applications be available in 2006, like the VR Glasses? Thats all i want!
great Info Everything Goes, do you work for a mobi telco?
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I used to work in a service department for a mobile phone manufacturer. Mostly did software updates and repairs which was very dull.
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Originally posted by Everything Goes When I see statements like this - especially from apparently respected analysts - I start to worry about the quality of maths teaching in Britain today. Cost/(customers*years*12) gives you the breakeven cost (to cover the licence only) for 3G. So that's £22,500,000,000/(20,000,000*20*12)=£4.69 per customer per month.The people who are most excited about it are the mobile companies who have spent a billions on 3G. The only problem is they are unlikley to make a profit on 3G in the during term of their liscence. The cost of the licences is *nothing* compared to the cost of building the networks... Dave -- |
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Chris Gent of Vodafone himself has estimated rollout of the networks as costing £10 Billion How much will 3G cost? . You shouldn't forget that the mobile companies have borrowed money from the banks to pay for the licences. They have to pay interest on the loans. Then they will want the loan of money for putting up base stations and network infrastructure. Plus they have had their credit ratings cut as well making those bank loans ever more costly. The only good news is they will be allowed to share some of the network cost thanks a recent EU ruling.
Forrester a widely respected research company have said they dont expect 3G to make a profit till 2014 after their licence expires. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2318493.stm Time will tell I suppose. |
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Originally posted by Everything Goes While that's the case for the existing four networks, H3G paid cash for their licence.You shouldn't forget that the mobile companies have borrowed money from the banks to pay for the licences. I have no doubt that they, at least, will make a success and a profit from 3G. Dave -- |
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You may be interested to know that Hutchison has borrowed £3 Billion in bank loans. I guesss this will be to set up their operation. They are also estimating they will have 9.4 million customers spending an average £54 per month by 2010. Quite a target! Hutchinson 3G Business Plan
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Originally posted by Everything Goes I already knew that. The loans came quite some time after they acquired the licence though.You may be interested to know that Hutchison has borrowed £3 Billion in bank loans. As I said, it's the building the network, not the licences, which are the expensive part. Quote:
They are also estimating they will have 9.4 million customers spending an average £54 per month. Quite a target!
You think that's not achievable? I certainly think it is! And even if they don't achieve that, their break-even point is considerably below that. Your original claim was that they'd find it hard to make a profit over the length of their licence - my claim is that it won't be hard at all.Quote:
Um, no, that's a draft of a proposed business plan from two years ago. I suspect both their finalized business plan at the time and their current business plan are somewhat different given such a changing market.Dave -- |
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What exactly is 3G - apart from expensive? Is it things such as MMS and GPRS, or something beyond that?
A brief explanation is all I need, I used to know once upon a time but haven't read up on it recently
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Originally posted by dodgygeeza 3G is to 2G what ADSL is to dial-up. What exactly is 3G ![]() Quote:
apart from expensive?
I think it's a bit premature to decide it's expensive as none of the networks have announced prices yet, and so far no-one has any idea what we'll actually be getting for our money.Quote:
Is it things such as MMS and GPRS, or something beyond that?
MMS is undoubtedly one of the services that will be made more useful by 3G. GPRS is 2.5G.Dave -- |
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One thing I think we can agree on is that Hutchinson will be the most sucessfull of the 3G networks. The only question I have is will they make enough money out of it? Thanks for your input on this subject. Its good to know someone has been paying attention to 3G.
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Originally posted by Everything Goes Yes, definitely. I have suspicions that the least responsive of the existing networks may be taken by surprise and seriously lose out. Not naming O2 in particular here. One thing I think we can agree on is that Hutchinson will be the most sucessfull of the 3G networks. ![]() Quote:
The only question I have is will they make enough money out of it?
By running the numbers, with massive guesses of the costs involved it's not *that* hard to make a profit from 3G. Of course if I were an existing 2G network I'd be launching pisspoor 2.5G services and talking down 3G's chances at every opportunity while I wring every last penny from my existing network. Not naming Vodafone in particular here. ![]() Quote:
Thanks for your input on this subject. Its good to know someone has been paying attention to 3G.
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4G Starts Next Year!
Yes 4G is coming sooner than we think and you may only have to wait till mid 2003. No doubt it will be delayed, but it should worry 3G operators who have spent a fortune on what could soon be old technology, even before 3G even gets started properly. 4G services roll out 'this time next year'
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Re: 4G Starts Next Year!
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Originally posted by Everything Goes The article seems to think that 4G is IP-based cellular... Which is exactly what 3G will be once it loses its legacy circuit-switched voice calls and moves to an all-IP core.4G services roll out 'this time next year' The idea that a technology totally untested with barely ratified standards will have a commercial roll-out next year is quite laughable. As I said earlier, analysts say the stupidest things sometimes. Dave -- |
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Yes 2003 is over optomistic. I guess they will be carrying out tests on the technology next year. Perhaps they will do a similar project to the one that O2 did with 3G on the Isle of Man. 4G is still very much in its infancy and still needs a few years to develop.
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Originally posted by Everything Goes How long did it take 3G to get from proposed technology to handset in your pocket?Yes 2003 is over optomistic. I guess they will be carrying out tests on the technology next year. Quote:
[b]Perhaps they will do a similar project to the one that O2 did with 3G on the Isle of Man.[b]
"Similar publicity stunt" I think you'll find...Quote:
4G is still very much in its infancy and still needs a few years to develop.
Infancy? It's still a glint in the milkman's eye at this stage.Dave -- |
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How long did it take 3G to get from proposed technology to handset in your pocket?
3G was discussed in 1991
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Originally posted by dpmarshall "Did"? It's still not in my pocket!!
How long did it take 3G to get from proposed technology to handset in your pocket? |
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