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Old 08-09-2006, 08:25
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Originally Posted by inabsentia
I was giving it serious consideration... until I saw that there was no built in digital tuner- what is the point of paying for technology that will be obsolete in some areas with 12 months??
I posted about that somewhere else - a trip around the local Comet and Currys revealed hundreds of analogue LCD tvs all operating. Both had about a dozen freeview boxes each not connected not running - how do you choose?
Currys had one Freeview LCD IDTV running, there didn't appear to be a Freeview tv in Comet.
In neither place was Freeview on the agenda, if at all.

I asked in this forum if there was a DVI Freeview box - no replies. What is the point of having a digital signal , a digital display - and then putting up with analogue inbetween
However as far as I can tell there is no native interlaced digital display technology on the market, so maybe we're expected to watch good old trusty analogue CRT. There were just a few of those in Comet and Currys - and in fairness while I was there they were attracting more interest than the LCDs.
Of those few CRTs half I would rate as terrible - squiggly lamposts which bend when a car drives past- I thought that had been fixed 20 years ago - have they forgotten how to do it

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Old 08-09-2006, 10:01
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Originally Posted by inabsentia
Absolutely not-I can't send a direct digital output from either, so all I'd be getting is a twice converted picture on the screen (digital to analogue when sent out of the box, re-converted to digital when it gets to the TV).
The point is, for a large chunk of the country, a key part of the technology of this and any other piece of kit sold with analogue only tuners, will become obsolete within 2 years-and that should not be allowed

Ah I see your point now good thinking Batman.
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Old 14-09-2006, 15:00
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Originally Posted by inabsentia
I was giving it serious consideration...until I saw that there was no built in digital tuner- what is the point of paying for technology that will be obsolete in some areas with 12 months?? Would digital tuners have added much to the cost? After all you can buy freeview boxes for 20 quid now.
And digital tuners will be obsolete when HD is broadcast on digital terrestrial channels, none of the so called "future proof" sets can broadcast this HD content with the present tuners, we will all have to replace our sets or buy new STB's that will be able to deal with HD signals, the present sets should have a big sticker on them saying "Sky Only you won't be able to watch terrestrial HD on this set"
My opinion is that you would probably be better off not having a Digital Terrestrial Tuner and just update your STB when needed in the future
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Old 14-09-2006, 15:47
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Of those few CRTs half I would rate as terrible - squiggly lamposts which bend when a car drives past- I thought that had been fixed 20 years ago - have they forgotten how to do it
and I bet all those CRTs were priced below £1000. The picture on most CRTs, in my experience, is shockingly bad with respect to these geometry problems. Give me a cheap LCD any day. I'll put up with the lack of vibrancy for pleasing geometry.

The best test for the worst CRT offenders is to display a 4:3 picture (correctly, not zoomed obviously) on a 16:9 screen. See those edges bend and warp. Makes me feel quite ill.

Actually, perhaps they have "forgotten" how to fix it. It sells more LCDs
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Old 14-09-2006, 15:54
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Originally Posted by glesgaguy
And digital tuners will be obsolete when HD is broadcast on digital terrestrial channels, none of the so called "future proof" sets can broadcast this HD content with the present tuners, we will all have to replace our sets or buy new STB's that will be able to deal with HD signals, the present sets should have a big sticker on them saying "Sky Only you won't be able to watch terrestrial HD on this set"
My opinion is that you would probably be better off not having a Digital Terrestrial Tuner and just update your STB when needed in the future
I think the lack of Digital Terrestrial Tuners in new TVs is purely down to the manufacturers wondering when the f**k Continental Europe is going to settle on a system.

OK, so we will have switched to Digital by 2012.. big deal. That still leaves *millions* of people with analogue TV still working perfectly well in Europe. I'm not talking about little countries that might switch to digital earlier, I'm talking about huge markets like Poland, Bulgaria, Italy and Romania that are still experimenting with DTV with little or no firm rollout plan.

If it's agreed that every country is going to choose the current MPEG2 SD system, then manufacturers might be more willing to include a "standard" DTV tuner - otherwise, they are just going to go with a cheap analogue tuner that works, costs pence, and allow the consumer to select their own "tuner" based on the local market.
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Old 14-09-2006, 18:04
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Originally Posted by glesgaguy
And digital tuners will be obsolete when HD is broadcast on digital terrestrial channels, none of the so called "future proof" sets can broadcast this HD content with the present tuners, we will all have to replace our sets or buy new STB's that will be able to deal with HD signals, the present sets should have a big sticker on them saying "Sky Only you won't be able to watch terrestrial HD on this set"
My opinion is that you would probably be better off not having a Digital Terrestrial Tuner and just update your STB when needed in the future

We will not be going over to everything HD on terrestrial..ever..there simply isn't enough bandwidth.
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Old 17-09-2006, 15:21
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Originally Posted by inabsentia
We will not be going over to everything HD on terrestrial..ever..there simply isn't enough bandwidth.
If that's the case why are the BBC doing trials at the moment for HD broadcast via special STB's
The whole idea of switch of Analoge is to provide the extra bandwith needed, otherwise there's no point in any terrestrial broadcaster producing HD content, as they do now, if it's only available via satellite or cable
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Old 17-09-2006, 18:07
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The BBC-or part of it- will go HD for sure, just as there are now HD versions of several channels on satellite, but as I said in my previous post not EVERYTHING will be going HD..that has never been the idea and it never will be - Is there really ANY need for channels like the 'Telly Selly' and 24 hour game shows to broadcast in HD??? Then what about the 'gold' type channels that are just showing older programming?? Absolutely not..the idea of the analogue switch off was NOT to provide room for HD, it was so they could then flog off the saved bandwidth for communications..etc...

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Old 17-09-2006, 19:40
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In my origional post I didn't say that "everything" would be broadcast in HD, but the BBC is planning to broadcast the London Olympics in HD and freeview (the tests), sure they will also broadcast it in the present Digital format which is not HD.
My point was that the folks who have purchased there new Future Proof tv will find that they cannot watch HD transmissions by the BBC or ITV of the Olymics with their present digital tuners.(unless they subscribe to cable or satellite)
A Humax 2000 satellite receiver, as an example,can show HD/SD transmissions on a non HD TV(not true HD but downscaled)
This is the type of freeview STB that the BBC will be testing.
When analog is switched off the bandwith will be greatly increased, enough for dedicated HD Freeview/ digital and commercial purposes
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Old 17-09-2006, 20:44
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Originally Posted by glesgaguy
In my origional post I didn't say that "everything" would be broadcast in HD, but the BBC is planning to broadcast the London Olympics in HD and freeview (the tests), sure they will also broadcast it in the present Digital format which is not HD.
My point was that the folks who have purchased there new Future Proof tv will find that they cannot watch HD transmissions by the BBC or ITV of the Olymics with their present digital tuners.(unless they subscribe to cable or satellite)
A Humax 2000 satellite receiver, as an example,can show HD/SD transmissions on a non HD TV(not true HD but downscaled)
This is the type of freeview STB that the BBC will be testing.
When analog is switched off the bandwith will be greatly increased, enough for dedicated HD Freeview/ digital and commercial purposes
No, you said digital tuners would be obsolete when HD is broadcast on digital channels- and plainly, they won't be because digital broadcasting won't ONLY be HD, it will be a mixture of Standard and Hi-def.

And HD TV owners WILL be able to watch the new terrestrial services-via a HD set top box, as they can now with SKY or cable
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Old 20-09-2006, 10:54
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Originally Posted by inabsentia

And HD TV owners WILL be able to watch the new terrestrial services-via a HD set top box, as they can now with SKY or cable
There are Sets in Oz are being released with built in HD tuners so im sure that could be the case here in the UK soon.

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Old 20-09-2006, 11:06
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Some tuners currently out there could probably handle HD. After all, a lot of the DVB-T tuner cards in PC's are capable of displaying HD
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Old 17-10-2007, 15:26
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They are on sale again in Aldi, this Sunday 21st October. This model includes a Freeview tuner and a free tilting wall bracket. Price is £569.99.
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Old 17-10-2007, 17:18
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They are on sale again in Aldi, this Sunday 21st October. This model includes a Freeview tuner and a free tilting wall bracket. Price is £569.99.
Yes, good price and does look as though it's not got a shiny 'piano black' finish (hopefully) ... and includes 3yr Warranty!

Spec. here ...

HD ready (480i/p, 720i/p, 1080i)
2 × HDMI sockets (including HDCP decoding)
Integrated DVB-T tuner for all Freeview channels
Nicam stereo
Teletext with 1000 page memory
EPG (Electronic Programme Guide)
Response time : 8ms (grey to grey.typ)
Viewing angle: 178° H/150° v (typ)
Contrast ratio: 1200:1 (typ)
Brightness: 500cd/m2 (typ)
Physical resolution: 1366 × 768
PIP (Picture in Picture) and PBP (Picture by Picture) via external source
Picture improvements by CTI, 3D comb filter
Noise reduction
200 programme storage locations
Automatic programme search with automatic storage
Picture Formats: 16:9, 4:3, Panorama, 14:9 Zoom, Cinema, Subtitle, Auto
Swap function
Child lock
5 favourite lists
Sleep timer
Sound effects: Jazz, Rock, Pop, User, Classic, Normal
5 band equaliser
Surround sound
Speakers: 2 × 8 watts (RMS)
Video sockets: 2 × HDMI in (incl. HDCP decoding), VGA (15 pin D-sub), YUV (component) (3 RCSA), 2 SCART. S-Video in (Mini DIN), composite video (1 RCA)
Audio sockets: Stereo audio in for PC, stereo audio in for composite video (2 RCA), stereo audio in for YUV (2 RCA), stereo headphone jack (3.5mm plug)
Accessories: Free wall bracket, free 5-in-1 universal remote control (inc. batteries), power cord
Weight: 24kg (with stand)/20kg (without stand)
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Old 17-10-2007, 18:12
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What you've got to remember now days is it's not who makes the componets but the software that drives them, for example SONY LCD's use samsung panels, but the software gives more control over the brightness settings than samsung LCD's software does..! Also remember the big brand names have a lot more money to throw at software engineers than the small companies have..! You get what you pay for..!! That said I did once own a Aldi plasma TV for 11 month's and it was not bad, limited software wise but not bad..!!

im sorry but thats not quite true. for a start, samsung dont make screens for sony, just 1 production plant is shared by the two for certain screens. screens made in this shared plant are only used (sony) in the U series, hence why this is the only sony series that is excluded from their 5 year warranty promo at the moment.
also have different engines, eg sony BRAVIA having WCG, CCFL colour creation etc where samsung is DNiE.

you get what you pay for is definatly true!
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Old 17-10-2007, 22:38
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im sorry but thats not quite true. for a start, samsung dont make screens for sony, just 1 production plant is shared by the two for certain screens. screens made in this shared plant are only used (sony) in the U series!
Sorry, but that's incorrect.

Sony and Samsung have a joint venture called S-LCD, and almost all Sony sets use these. The exception 'was' the U series, which uses a cheaper Samsung manufactured panel.

Some of the new lower priced sets now use panels made by another Far Eastern manufacturer - but I've forgotten who it was?, it's not a name I'd ever heard, and I had to google it to find out who they were.

As for the U series not getting the five year 'guarantee' I would suggest it's simply because it's lower price doesn't have enough margin to pay the insurance policy for it.
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Old 18-10-2007, 13:12
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Sorry, but that's incorrect.

Sony and Samsung have a joint venture called S-LCD, and almost all Sony sets use these. The exception 'was' the U series, which uses a cheaper Samsung manufactured panel.

Some of the new lower priced sets now use panels made by another Far Eastern manufacturer - but I've forgotten who it was?, it's not a name I'd ever heard, and I had to google it to find out who they were.

As for the U series not getting the five year 'guarantee' I would suggest it's simply because it's lower price doesn't have enough margin to pay the insurance policy for it.

ok our sony rep must supplying incorrect information then.
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Old 20-10-2007, 11:30
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Is this the same one, they have on offer this week for £569?

HD ready (480i/p, 720i/p, 1080i)
2 × HDMI sockets (including HDCP decoding)
Integrated DVB-T tuner for all Freeview channels
Nicam stereo
Teletext with 1000 page memory
EPG (Electronic Programme Guide)
Response time : 8ms (grey to grey.typ)
Viewing angle: 178° H/150° v (typ)
Contrast ratio: 1200:1 (typ)
Brightness: 500cd/m2 (typ)
Physical resolution: 1366 × 768
PIP (Picture in Picture) and PBP (Picture by Picture) via external source
Picture improvements by CTI, 3D comb filter
Noise reduction
200 programme storage locations
Automatic programme search with automatic storage
Picture Formats: 16:9, 4:3, Panorama, 14:9 Zoom, Cinema, Subtitle, Auto
Swap function
Child lock
5 favourite lists
Sleep timer
Sound effects: Jazz, Rock, Pop, User, Classic, Normal
5 band equaliser
Surround sound
Speakers: 2 × 8 watts (RMS)
Video sockets: 2 × HDMI in (incl. HDCP decoding), VGA (15 pin D-sub), YUV (component) (3 RCSA), 2 SCART. S-Video in (Mini DIN), composite video (1 RCA)
Audio sockets: Stereo audio in for PC, stereo audio in for composite video (2 RCA), stereo audio in for YUV (2 RCA), stereo headphone jack (3.5mm plug)
Accessories: Free wall bracket, free 5-in-1 universal remote control (inc. batteries), power cord
Weight: 24kg (with stand)/20kg (without stand)
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