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richdgrant
11-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by insomnia

Insomnia - on his 3rd (soon to be 4th) portable Mini Disc recorder
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Which mini disc recorders have you had... which one has been the best?
insomnia
11-12-2002
Oooh, Sony MZ-R30 (1997), Sony MZ-R55 (1999-imported from japan cos I couldn't wait ), currently got the MZ-R900( got that 2001) which is probably the best of the three, although the anti-shock protection doesn't seem as good as the R55. I was going to upgrade to an N1 next, but Im gonna try and get an MZ-N10 if I can get hold of one !

I've also got a Sony JB940 full size deck at home!

Insomnia
homer911
11-12-2002
does anyone know where i can get cheap mini disc players. i want a 505 and the cheapest i have seen it for is 142 quid from dixons. the problem is its online exclusive and i have had problems buying on the net.
richdgrant
11-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by homer911
the problem is its online exclusive and i have had problems buying on the net. ”

I ordered my Sony N1 from the dixons website (web exclusive as well) last week and it came 2 days later. Helpful emails are sent to say when the product has been sent and time of delivery. Although, if you have had problems in the past I can understand how you are reluctant.
exilis
12-12-2002
One thing to mention about the whole MD vs CD thing (i know bad me for continuing this)
MD was designed to replace the humble cassette, and it does that perfectly, I couldn't ask for more.
Now the CD, Super Audio CD or DVD-Audio is designed to take on that market. CD and MD are not trying to take on each other, they never have and never will, they are complementary products.
insomnia
12-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by exilis
MD was designed to replace the humble cassette, and it does that perfectly, I couldn't ask for more.
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Unfortunately a majority of people, including some who should know better, believe otherwise no matter how hard you tell them.

Insomnia
Joff Hopkins
12-12-2002
I use MiniDisc to record all my radio shows onto... makes editing them to harvest the best bits out of them so much easier, plus it's far better quality than cassette tape. Eurgh.

Joff
CrystalAvenger
12-12-2002
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“Originally posted by Storm123
I work for the largest radio station in the world and we very rarely use mini disks.”

Yes.... and I'm Jesus Christ... No - seriously.

I don't know which station you work for of course, but if your username is a clue, then I've got to be frank and say I'd put a fair wager on your station not being "the largest in the world". I rather suspect BBC World Service for one would have a much fairer claim to that title

Quote:
“But do you think because radio stations use them that that makes them good quality?????????????

All radio stations care about is cost. All will compromise sound quality if they can save money. Which is why today the quality of music broadcasted from radio stations is extremely poor quality.
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Hmm... That might be true at your place, but I think you'll find most of them use them for that stuff because:
[list][*]They offer FM broadcast quality sound at a reasonable price. They are not "cheap" as they are more expensive than a large number of CD players.[*]As mentioned above, they are great for editing. They provide easy editing, at a far superior quality to audio tape.[*]Finally, I am yet to see any station which uses a digital playout system where all audio clips arn't converted into MP3 at a datarate of more than 160kbps in an effort to "maximise" (save) storage space.

Minidisc, although it uses some compression like MP3, this is nowhere near as much even at LP2 level. True, in LP4 mode it can start pushing this sort of reduction in sound definition and clarity.[/list]If you work in the industry as you claim for even a half reputable station, you should be aware of these facts.
Everything Goes
13-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by homer911
does anyone know where i can get cheap mini disc players. i want a 505 and the cheapest i have seen it for is 142 quid from dixons. the problem is its online exclusive and i have had problems buying on the net. ”

Richer Sounds have the Sony 505 for £135 http://www.richersounds.co.uk/index....ist.php&c=1902 You can buy online or pop into your nearest branch (there is a map on their website to help you find one). I have bought stuff from them online and never had any trouble.
homer911
14-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Everything Goes
Richer Sounds have the Sony 505 for £135 http://www.richersounds.co.uk/index....ist.php&c=1902 You can buy online or pop into your nearest branch (there is a map on their website to help you find one). I have bought stuff from them online and never had any trouble. ”

thanks thats perfect.
Storm123
14-12-2002
I hold my hands up, for the miss spelling...... it was late and I was tired.

Those who questioned who i work for......... I'm not posting who I work for here, but we broadcast to over 150million people.

And yes it is the biggest

Look i'm not doubting for people who don't want to listen to excellent quality audio then MD is ok. But, and fact, if you want to listen to better quality sound use CD's.

Insomnia..... don't know what got up your bonnet, but i didn't choose to slag you off at any point, so kindly reframe from doing so to me.
insomnia
15-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Storm123


Insomnia..... don't know what got up your bonnet, but i didn't choose to slag you off at any point, so kindly reframe from doing so to me.
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I suggest you go back and re-read my posts. I commented on your mis-spelling and asked where you worked. That is all. You have replied to my question(s). Perhaps you could quote the comment that seems to offend you and help clear things up?

Insomnia
Storm123
15-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by insomnia
I know. Just that I refuse to take seriously a "qualified Electro-acoustic engineer" who can't spell the name of a popular audio format correctly

Insomnia - on his 3rd (soon to be 4th) portable Mini Disc recorder
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Storm123
15-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by insomnia
Which station is that then pray tell?


Insomnia
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arrogant way of phrasing the question
Storm123
15-12-2002
I didn't wirte anything that wasn't true.

You're manner of reply was arrogant and rude.
insomnia
15-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Storm123
didn't wirte anything that wasn't true.

You're manner of reply was arrogant and rude.
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Rubbish. I asked a simple question, which radio station do you work for. You have refused to answer that question.

You yourself have admitted that you spelt Mini Disc wrong. How can you expect me or other board members to respect your views when you can not spell correctly the technology that you are rubbishing?

Your attitude throughout this thread has been one of "Mini Disc bad, CD good" despite the fact that they are intended for different uses.

If you dislike Mini Disc so much, why participate in a Mini DIsc thread?

Insomnia
Storm123
15-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by insomnia
Rubbish. I asked a simple question, which radio station do you work for. You have refused to answer that question.

You yourself have admitted that you spelt Mini Disc wrong. How can you expect me or other board members to respect your views when you can not spell correctly the technology that you are rubbishing?

Your attitude throughout this thread has been one of "Mini Disc bad, CD good" despite the fact that they are intended for different uses.

If you dislike Mini Disc so much, why participate in a Mini DIsc thread?

Insomnia
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You make me laugh. I think I can reserve the right to not quote where i work here. You can find it out if you are really interested.

For heavens sake....we're not here to be riducously petty about spelling mistakes. i think maybe you should consider whether people want to hear your views in a thread when you are using spelling mistakes as a reason to back your arguement. That is quite simply pathetic.

Im very sorry Insomnia.. I didn't realise you had to like something to take part in a discussion about it.
insomnia
15-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Storm123
You make me laugh. I think I can reserve the right to not quote where i work here. You can find it out if you are really interested.
”

You bought the subject up not I. Your attitude is one of "I am a professional because I work the biggest radio station"

Quote:
“For heavens sake....we're not here to be riducously petty about spelling mistakes. i think maybe you should consider whether people want to hear your views in a thread when you are using spelling mistakes as a reason to back your arguement. That is quite simply pathetic.”

Oh really. How can I take someone who states that they are an audio professional, who knows what they are talking about, yet can not spell correctly Mini Disc? Does rather erode your credibility.

Besides I only pointed out the mis-spelling of Mini Disc, not other minor mistakes that are present in your posts.

I also suggest you read CrystalAvenger's post above. He makes several interesting points that you may wish to ponder before replying.

Insomnia
Storm123
15-12-2002
I will choose to comment on what post I choose too thank you..

You taken my comment bout where I work out of context. i merely mentioned because someone commented bout how they suspect radio uses the format. You've chosen to use it as a mean of me saying that "I am a professional because I work the biggest radio station".

I've posted a link to the oxford dictionary website, as you show such interest in grammer.

http://www.gotnothingbettertodothanm...utspelling.com

The Romans used to leave inperfections in their mosaics as they believed only the Gods were perfect. I'm certainly not perfect. Maybe you should consider this, before you use childish arguements to waste space in a forum.
insomnia
15-12-2002
Quote:
“Originally posted by Storm123

I've posted a link to the oxford dictionary website, as you show such interest in grammer.

http://www.gotnothingbettertodothanm...utspelling.com

The Romans used to leave inperfections in their mosaics as they believed only the Gods were perfect. I'm certainly not perfect. Maybe you should consider this, before you use childish arguements to waste space in a forum.
”

After posting the above all I can say is Pot. Kettle. Black.

Now back on topic.

Why do you insist on comparing CD to Mini Disc when they are intended for different uses?

Insomnia
Storm123
15-12-2002
MD was produced as a an alternative to CD.
insomnia
15-12-2002
No it wasn't. It's a replacement for audio cassette. Therefore comparing CD to MD is like comparing apples to oranges.

Insomnia
Storm123
15-12-2002
no it wasn't.
otherwise, when it was first realeased why did it concentrate on selling albums in music stores rather than on its copying abilities
insomnia
15-12-2002
Quoted from Sony white paper (available from www.minidisc.org)

"Sales of cassette tapes had been decreasing since 1989, and Sony felt that the compact cassette system was approaching the end of its format life. Even if recordable CD were to be accepted by the consumer, it would still be difficult to break into the portable market. Here, portable compact cassette dominated because of its strong resistance to vibration and its compactness. Clear targets for a new disc system were to overcome these weaknesses. Sony was able to achieve this by introducing a disc system called MiniDisc (MD). "

Also see http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-21/h4.html

Insomnia
Storm123
15-12-2002
one small quote on the white paper.

I notice you didn't quote the paragraph before it in the text, regarding CD's and why it was produced to try and better what they saw as imperfections of the CD.
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