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Old 21-09-2006, 13:59
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As we have MOBO Awards, why not MOWO (Music of White Origin) Awards?
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Old 21-09-2006, 14:21
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Give it a few years and the MOBOs will be looked back on in the same embarassing way as 'Mind Your Language', 'Love thy Neighbour' and 'Minipops' are today.

Especially if last night's showing is anything to go by.
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Old 21-09-2006, 14:25
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Originally Posted by Manko
Give it a few years and the MOBOs will be looked back on in the same embarassing way as 'Mind Your Language', 'Love thy Neighbour' and 'Minipops' are today.

Especially if last night's showing is anything to go by.
Forget looking back - I look forward with embarassment where the MOBOs are concerned
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Old 21-09-2006, 14:25
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Too hard to pronounce?
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Old 21-09-2006, 14:27
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
As we have MOBO Awards, why not MOWO (Music of White Origin) Awards?
Cos Enya and Fairport Convention would clean up every year.... And then the universe would collapse.

(And yes, I agree that MOBO is a fatuous, and borderline apartheid concept)
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Old 21-09-2006, 14:33
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I hate the MOBOs..... You'd think in this day in age it wouldn't matter where the hell it came from. Same with them freaking BET Awards, what a load of bollocks.

Um.... I'm black by the way *lol*
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Old 21-09-2006, 14:51
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Originally Posted by D Sizzle
Too hard to pronounce?
Ha! one of the best posts I've ever read on this site!
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:08
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Considering modern rock comes from the Blues and R'n'B and Hip-hop are self-explanatory; What music is of white origin? There's a country music awards, there's a classical music awards.

The MOBOS aren't for black people, it's an alternative to throwing a wild variety of musical genres in an afterthought 'urban' category in many mainstream award shows.

The only people that have a problem with it are borderline racists.
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:25
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
Considering modern rock comes from the Blues and R'n'B and Hip-hop are self-explanatory; What music is of white origin? There's a country music awards, there's a classical music awards.

The MOBOS aren't for black people, it's an alternative to throwing a wild variety of musical genres in an afterthought 'urban' category in many mainstream award shows.
The day that someone like Iron Maiden get nominated for a MOBO is that day I consider the title to be accurate. Until then, it is a misnomer which reinforces perceived racial divides in popular music. Not a good thing. In my mind, the MOBO awards (if only in their name) damage integration of races in popular culture.

The only people that have a problem with it are borderline racists.
Don't even try it.

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Old 21-09-2006, 15:33
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs

The only people that have a problem with it are borderline racists.
Plus anyone who witnessed Coolio acting like a complete retard last night.
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:42
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Originally Posted by Histeria
Don't even try it.
If people have a problem with the notion of the awards themselves, it's fine; but the vast majority of issues I've seen with them is based on the impression that black people have somehow got their own exclusive awards, and whitey's missing out.

Ignoring that noted black man Justin Timberlake picked up a MOBO or two.
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:54
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
If people have a problem with the notion of the awards themselves, it's fine; but the vast majority of issues I've seen with them is based on the impression that black people have somehow got their own exclusive awards, and whitey's missing out.

Ignoring that noted black man Justin Timberlake picked up a MOBO or two.
Hmmm... I think it was more people pointing out that the concept of MOBOs is moronic. People often use the idea of a hypothetical MOWO, not seriously suggesting it should actually happen (hence my Enya/FC joke earlier), but pointing out that if the latter is unacceptable (and reasonably so) then why isn't the former? Both are equally stupid - and for the most part meaningless - titles, and equally divisive ideas.
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:55
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Every single year this topic springs up
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:56
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Originally Posted by Mr Poetic
Every single year this topic springs up
There'll be a reason for that.
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:58
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I'm waiting on the first ever UK country music awards...
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:58
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Originally Posted by Histeria
Hmmm... I think it was more people pointing out that the concept of MOBOs is moronic. People often use the idea of a hypothetical MOWO, not seriously suggesting it should actually happen (hence my Enya/FC joke earlier), but pointing out that if the latter is unacceptable (and reasonably so) then why isn't the former? Both are equally stupid - and for the most part meaningless - titles, and equally divisive ideas.
I've possibly worded my point badly, but I'd ditch not only the MOBOs but the notion of cataloguing all the genres into one stock 'urban' field.

If the MOWO idea is hypothetical, I'll concede; but I've seen an awful lot of people who are dead genuine about it, as if there's a racial injustice going on.
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Old 21-09-2006, 15:59
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Originally Posted by Have A Nice Day
I'm waiting on the first ever UK country music awards...
Robbie Williams to announce a bluegrass covers album the day after.
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Old 21-09-2006, 16:02
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It's not about the race of the artist; it's just about the origin of the music. Anyone can be nominated if their music is "of black origin". Black music contains certain genres which are closely related.

It's more like an "urban" awards, since urban music originates from older styles. We have things such as Kerrang awards for rock; anyone one can be nominated if their music is of rock origin.
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Old 21-09-2006, 16:08
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Gonna agree with spanky here.

The Brit Awards are on the whole, a rock and pop affair and misses out on a whole load of music so you have genre specific awards that covers other ranges of music (Classical Brits, Kerrang, World Music Awards, UK Mix, etc; ). The MOBOs are merely another one.

Clearly there is a divide as there isn't any other European let alone a UK-based awards show that showcases 'black music'. The pallette is too thin just to have a Rap Awards or a RnB Awards.

The problem with the MOBOs though is that it's purpose is misconstrued with it's attempts to showcase an extremely broad range of 'black music' without properly demonstrating it's purpose.

Did I see a fair representation of what was the best in such genres of hip-hop, jazz, rap, RnB and soul? No, and that's the main problem of the MOBOs.

Another problem is that the strength of depth in the quality of the nominees is pitiful.

Should there be an Urban Music Awards instead? Hmmm...UMA? It's just as catchy an acronym as MOBO is.

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Old 21-09-2006, 16:09
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Originally Posted by Ste...
It's not about the race of the artist; it's just about the origin of the music. Anyone can be nominated if their music is "of black origin". Black music contains certain genres which are closely related.

It's more like an "urban" awards, since urban music originates from older styles. We have things such as Kerrang awards for rock; anyone one can be nominated if their music is of rock origin.
But the title is utterly misleading... and that is most of the problem people have. All blues-based music is of black organ, and that includes, for example, rock music. And what about trad and freeform Jazz? It's racialising (I think I may have invented that word) something that doesn't require it - implying in its title that a division of genres is based upon racial lines - which it isn't. It is unhelpful at the least, and incendiary at the most.

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Old 21-09-2006, 16:20
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Well, of course there is a division in racial lines. Black music developed from black people. White people claimed some of it and turned it into their own "race" of music. I mean, Rock music is heavily white

The title is only misleading to those who choose to believe so.

It's like BET in America (Black Entertainment TV) - Why not have a WET. Well, first of all it's a silly name , but mainly because white people are catered for in popular culture enough already.
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Old 21-09-2006, 16:35
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Originally Posted by Ste...
It's like BET in America (Black Entertainment TV) - Why not have a WET. Well, first of all it's a silly name , but mainly because white people are catered for in popular culture enough already.
I'm Hispanic... and what do I get? I'll tell you what: crap restaurant music, Shakira, and some bits of Sesame Street.

Honestly, I understand what you're saying, but to flag racial division like this is, at least in my opinion, unhelpful. Especially (as you highlighted) batching certain genres together and saying "these are ours". I just think that society, and the youth of today (I'm showing my age there) could do without the imposition of such divisions along racial lines, especially (as is the case with MOBO) when the title is historically misleading.

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Old 21-09-2006, 16:44
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
The only people that have a problem with it are borderline racists.
What the...?
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Old 21-09-2006, 16:48
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If there was a market for Hispanic entertainment in the UK, then they'd probably be something for the Hispanic population. Perhaps there is a market but no one has cashed in on it yet.

Black music is pretty much the pop music of our generation; white kids love their urban music as much as black people do. Minorities are always catered for, but there has to be a lot of people in this minority (paradox, I know) for someone to splash out and spend money on entertaining them. Look at Sky. There's a lot for Africans and Asians; two cultures which are dominant minorities in the UK.

The MOBOs were just created to give praise to a specific type of music; it is purposefully segregating race in music. That's the reason it exists.
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Old 21-09-2006, 16:54
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Originally Posted by Ste...
If there was a market for Hispanic entertainment in the UK, then they'd probably be something for the Hispanic population. Perhaps there is a market but no one has cashed in on it yet.
I don't want to be catered to because of my olive skin or whatever people think defines my ethnicity. And I don't want music genres described (inaccurately) in terms of race. Which was all rather my point.
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