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Old 05-10-2006, 09:20
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I bought his first album, and it was quite good. Had some decent pop songs on such as Like I Love You and Rock Your Body. Basically something easy to listen to. Now all of a sudden he seems to think he's 2Pac and Biggie with all his "word to your mother, check my bad self, no diggity" songs. SexyBack was horrific and his new one is worse. Why not stick with what you're good at. Remember he was in a boyband before he went solo singing "pop" songs. It annoys me slightly when people always seem to go down the Urban route when they are pop singers.

What next Usher releasing an album that uses instruments and not synthesizers?!

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Old 05-10-2006, 09:26
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kinda disagree with the next single 'my love' being 'all hip hop' - its quite urban but i'd definately class it as pop.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:37
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It's just because urban sells to the kids, and Timberlake is manufactured, just like the rest of the charts.

If folk music was in Timberlake's next soon would have a harp and a lute in it.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:46
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He's hardly just now gone urban when both the songs you mention are Neptunes productions.


His live performances of tracks are with a live band, incidentally.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
It annoys me slightly when people always seem to go down the Urban route when they are pop singers.
I don't get this. The Neptunes produced the first album and Timbaland the new album. They are both hip hop producers!

Originally Posted by Super_Steve
What next Usher releasing an album that uses instruments and not synthesizers?!
Synthesizers ARE instruments!

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Old 05-10-2006, 09:51
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
He's hardly just now gone urban when both the songs you mention are Neptunes productions.


His live performances of tracks are with a live band, incidentally.
I've seen him live before, took ex-Mrs Steve to see him after his first album and he was crap. Mimed half of it, too busy doing some sort of shimmy shimmy coco pop dance routine. That's when I started going off him. Evenb moreso when he sticks in the good old urban cuss words in for good measure, just to get him a 'Parental Advisory' sticker on the front.

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Old 05-10-2006, 09:54
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Originally Posted by gargleroadside
I don't get this. The Neptunes produced the first album and Timberland the new album. They are both hip hop producers!

Synthesizers ARE instruments!
Yes, but the first album was a lot more "poppy" ie easier on the ears and without the random f**k, s**t etc to make it more of an "urban flava".
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:03
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
Yes, but the first album was a lot more "poppy" ie easier on the ears and without the random f**k, s**t etc to make it more of an "urban flava".
Justin did it before with the Neptunes produced track 'Signs'.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:07
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Originally Posted by gargleroadside
Justin did it before with the Neptunes produced track 'Signs'.
So this was where the "hippity hop gimme some weed" era started, am I correct?
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
I've seen him live before, took ex-Mrs Steve to see him after his first album and he was crap. Mimed half of it, too busy doing some sort of shimmy shimmy coco pop dance routine. That's when I started going off him.
Dance routines and miming doesn't sound like the kind of thing you'd expect from an ex-boyband member.

So when did you like him; his acoustic stage?


You just have a relentless issue with 'urban' music that is not only ridiculously apparent, but increasingly looks like there's way more to it.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:15
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
Dance routines and miming doesn't sound like the kind of thing you'd expect from an ex-boyband member.

So when did you like him; his acoustic stage?


You just have a relentless issue with 'urban' music that is not only ridiculously apparent, but increasingly looks like there's way more to it.
He did actually do a few acoustic numbers which were awsome. There were a couple of N Synch songs and the 2 slow ones off Justified, the names of which slip me. They were superb. Showed his voice properly.

I think you've accused me of racism before, and all times I've shot you down. Please don't accuse me of that just because I find urban music bland, repetitive and just plane noise.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:17
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
So this was where the "hippity hop gimme some weed" era started, am I correct?
I don't know (I can't remember that line from any of his tracks). Either way it is selling - people are buying it.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:18
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I've yet to outright say what other people have alluded to, and I certainly have yet to be 'shot down' in any way.

The idea of dismissing an entire genre (although urban music isn't a genre, merely an ignorant umbrella placed over many differing styles of music) is ludicrous.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:29
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
I've yet to outright say what other people have alluded to, and I certainly have yet to be 'shot down' in any way.

The idea of dismissing an entire genre (although urban music isn't a genre, merely an ignorant umbrella placed over many differing styles of music) is ludicrous.
Why is it ludicrous? I just can't get away with it. I know I'm going to be ambushed by the hippity hoppers saying that "hip hop is way more than what you hear on Radio 1, blah blah blah, it is very sensual and meaningful, blah blah blah" but all I've been exposed to is exatly the same. There seems to be no imagination used in stealing a sample from another song, stick your lyrics on top with a few swearies for good measure. That's all I want to be exposed to thank you very much.
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Old 05-10-2006, 12:16
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So your view is blinkered to the few tracks that add parental advisory lyrics to samples, and yet you have a problem when people try to tell you there's far more to it than that?

That's why it's ludicrous. You hate something based on a percentage of it, and apply it to everything you see as related.
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Old 05-10-2006, 12:30
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
So your view is blinkered to the few tracks that add parental advisory lyrics to samples, and yet you have a problem when people try to tell you there's far more to it than that?

That's why it's ludicrous. You hate something based on a percentage of it, and apply it to everything you see as related.
But if hip hop is so great, then why don't we hear any of this stuff. Listen to the radio and all you get is people like Snoop/Half a Dollar/The Game/The Streets etc. who all talk about the same thing. They must be the best of their genre otherwise they wouldn't be so popular amongst their fans and radio wouldn't play it if it wasn't popular.

Don't give me the argument that Radio stations "play rubbish" because it's not true. They play the best of each genre and that's that.
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Old 05-10-2006, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
But if hip hop is so great, then why don't we hear any of this stuff. Listen to the radio and all you get is people like Snoop/Half a Dollar/The Game/The Streets etc. who all talk about the same thing. They must be the best of their genre otherwise they wouldn't be so popular amongst their fans and radio wouldn't play it if it wasn't popular.
The Streets contain a lot of social commentary for one, although they're hardly hip-hop. The artists you mention are far from the best of the genre at all. Equating popularity with quality is part of your problem.


Part two;
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Don't give me the argument that Radio stations "play rubbish" because it's not true. They play the best of each genre and that's that.
It's only an argument when it can successfully countered.

What you hear on radio is mainstream marketability aimed at teenagers. You really think radio plays the best of each genre? That's a joke, right?

I hear James Blunt way more than I hear Bob Dylan. Hard-Fi make the airwaves way more than Mumm-ra ever will.

The only people that think radio plays the best of music are the people who only get their music from the radio.
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Old 05-10-2006, 13:07
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
The Streets contain a lot of social commentary for one, although they're hardly hip-hop. The artists you mention are far from the best of the genre at all. Equating popularity with quality is part of your problem.


Part two;


It's only an argument when it can successfully countered.

What you hear on radio is mainstream marketability aimed at teenagers. You really think radio plays the best of each genre? That's a joke, right?

I hear James Blunt way more than I hear Bob Dylan. Hard-Fi make the airwaves way more than Mumm-ra ever will.

The only people that think radio plays the best of music are the people who only get their music from the radio.
Well tell me how you judge quality then? Popularity is surely the closest thing we have to measuring it.

If I'm not to use radio, then what am I to use? I'm not going to go into HMV shut my eyes and pick a CD at random to take home.
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Old 05-10-2006, 13:21
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Haha.

This thread is hilarious.
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Old 05-10-2006, 13:22
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Originally Posted by Super_Steve
Well tell me how you judge quality then? Popularity is surely the closest thing we have to measuring it.
The Beatles have more number one singles than any other group. Who's in second place? Westlife.

If that isn't enough to discount popularity or sales figures as a barometer of quality, I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by Super_Steve
If I'm not to use radio, then what am I to use? I'm not going to go into HMV shut my eyes and pick a CD at random to take home.
Specialised non-playlist radio stations and programming, music shows on television (limited), music press, magazines, fanzines, the internet.

There's plenty of choice.
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Old 05-10-2006, 13:24
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Spankyplugs..you have to bear in mind that Super-Steve is a teenage Robbie Williams fan from Newcastle.
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Old 05-10-2006, 18:21
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Originally Posted by Mart F
Spankyplugs..you have to bear in mind that Super-Steve is a teenage Robbie Williams fan from Newcastle.
Teenage? I'm 21. Desperate times when you go hunting through posting archives!Unless you've got something creative to say, leave.

And a problem with people from Newcastle? There's me getting accused of being racist and you've got this genius spouting out garbage like this!

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Old 05-10-2006, 18:24
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
The Beatles have more number one singles than any other group. Who's in second place? Westlife.

If that isn't enough to discount popularity or sales figures as a barometer of quality, I don't know what is.
Who's to say Westlife aren't the second best band ever? I'm not a fan myself, but to a lot of people they are the best band ever. The Beatles were simply the Westlife of their era. A boyband with screaming girls as fans.

Either way, both bands have more talnet in their farts than the vast majority of the urban scene.
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Old 05-10-2006, 18:28
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Either way, both bands have more talnet in their farts than the vast majority of the urban scene.
You've already proven yourself to have no idea what you're talking about, you don't need to emphasise your ignorance further.
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Old 05-10-2006, 18:37
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Originally Posted by spankyplugs
You've already proven yourself to have no idea what you're talking about, you don't need to emphasise your ignorance further.
Isn't music down to opinion? Why can't you seem to accept that rather than try and force your views onto me. I hate hip hop yes. I think it's trash. Noise. Swearing. Drugs. Bitches etc. Obviously I'm missing these guys who right deep, meaningful and clever lyrics. Please point me in the right direction and I will give it a try.
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