whatever dude.

Considering we have never seen a pro-wrestler go to boxing it is a pretty pointless post!

I am not anti-boxing either. love my boxing!!

Do you even know who Brock Lesnar is????

He won the NCAA wrestling and was ranked number 1 in American amature wrestling.

He went to WWE for the money, made lots and left at the top to play NFL, didnt work out so tried his hand at MMA, which he said he always wanted to try.

You would not see a boxer winning the UFC title either so does that make UFC better than boxing?

Paul Roma, Brian Adams and Derrick Dukes are all former pro-wrestlers that have gone into boxing. They were all failures. Dukes famously took a dive for former American Footballer Mark Gastineau in his boxing debut.

No, that would be Anderson Silva, widely recognised as the best P4P fighter in the world.

Lesnar is the current title holder of the weakest division in the UFC at the moment and he's not even undisputed as big nog still holds the interim strap.

Lesnar is the top of the tree though, as the Heavyweight champion always is. P4P is one thing, but the Heavyweight champ would usually be expected to win a fight again any fighter in a lower weight division.

I think it is a big negative for UFC to have a former WWE wrestler as their figurehead.

The first falldown in your argument is the fact that you can't differentiate between actual real wrestling and the entertainment wrestling of the WWE.

Lesnar was a hugely successful amateur and professional wrestler aside from the WWE - therefore not fake.

You wouldn't see a pro-wrestler becoming world heavyweight boxing champion would you?

Probably because they can't wrestle in boxing? They would be allowed to wrestle in MMA.

Lots of wrestlers have been high in the UFC rankings.

I don't particularly like the direction that the UFC is going, but your hype comment is fail also as it's never been watched by more people. It's huge right now.

It was obvious there was going to be the "fake WWE" wrestler comments, but the fact is Lesnar has the best amateur/college wrestling record in the UFC.
Moving on......who is he going to defend against? Mir or Big Nog.?

My moneys on Nog.

Well Mir is not the fighter he once was so I would like to say Nog. Nog's body has been beaten up though, I not sure how much he really has left in him.

I expect Nog to win and then he will beat Lesnar.

LOL, what a ridiculous thing to say!

You've clearly never seen any of the early UFCs when they didn't have weight classes and Renzo Gracie used to own fellas 5 times the size of him.

Anderson Silva would destroy Lesnar within the 1st round imo.

Renzo Gracie never fought in the UFC, you mean Royce. And you can't compare the early days of UFC with today. All of today's fighters are very highly skilled, and at that level, the biggest guy will generally win. What exactly would Anderson Silva do against a guy that is 70 lbs heavier than him?

So you admit that Lesnar is highly skilled rather than just a 'fake wrestler'?

I don't know what your problem with the UFC is but if you don't like it why go looking for threads about it to try and pick a fight?

I haven't got a problem with UFC, and I never said that Brock Lesnar wasn't highly skilled. The problem is that Brock is no different to Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin in many peoples eyes, just another former fake wrestler. All this will do it cast doubt in their minds as to whether UFC/MMA is a legitimate sport, which is highly damaging to UFC, especially after the recent debacle with Kimbo Slice.

Kimbo Slice has never fought in the UFC.

Surely Lesnar beating a living legend such as Coutore for the title proves that he is a legitimate MMA fighter and deserves to be there?

I also don't think that MMA is having a problem drawing new fans, especially with the state boxing is in now.

I didn't say he had. But the debacle reflected badly on the sport as a whole.


It does, although it does look very bad to fans of traditional sports that someone has won the World Heavyweight title with less than 20 minutes of fighting under their belt. There will also be those who just write off the whole thing as being fake because a 'WWE wrestler' is involved.


I can see it declining in popularity now, especially with the problems in the economy.

Only to the dense who cannot see the dividing line between 'entertainment' wrestling and collegiate/professional wrestling.


Surely every business will see an economic downturn currently, with the exception of perhaps undertakers.

As far as growing sports are concerned, look at MMA's PPV figures. Healthy and growing.

Regarding the UFC and Mainstream fans, Lesnar winning is a problem but not because he is a former Pro-Wrestler from the WWE but more the fact that he has fought less than 5 fights and has already been giving a title shot and won.

That would never happen in boxing..

Well ever since the ex-"WWE" wrestler won the belt, it has certianly upped the posts in this thread, so a double well done to the man beast!

There's a lot of 'dense' people as you put it. What is the difference between 'entertainment' wrestling and 'professional wrestling'? Surely they are the same thing, there is no professional legit wrestling that I am aware of. There's certainly a large proportion of people in this country that see UFC and WWE as similar things.



I think even Dana White has said that their profits will decrease because of the depression. I'm certain last nights PPV will not have broken the records as they originally thought it would.

Yeah I know, I've seen and heard them promoting the WWE as if it's a genuine sport.

I struggle to believe you don't know the difference between the two though. In simple terms, wrestling is an ancient sport between two fighters which has branched off and diversified into many many subdivisions. It also plays an integral part of MMA.

Entertainment wrestling is where they invent 'characters', have storylines, pre-choreographed moves, fights and results. A lot of the 'entertainers' in this will have college/pro wrestling backgrounds by their very nature apart from the very obvious plain actors.

Transistions from WWE to MMA will be rare due to it only being one facet of a multi-arsenal sport. The main reason Lesnar is used is because of his massive bulk, good wrestling skills and the fact that he's a well-known face in the US home.


With World affairs as they currently are, this should be absolutely no surprise to anyone.

The HW division is lacking, there are much larger draws to be had in the LHW, MW, WW and LW divisions.

Fedor is widely recognised as the best P4P fighter in the world and the "Sugar" Ray Robinson of MMA. The Greatest Mixed Martial Artist of all Time.

Not Anderson Silva.

These are the most recent P4P ranking I can find, and they have Anderson Silva at #1. Fedor hasn't fought since they were released.

I don't care what Sherdog say's and most other's will agree with me.

Fedor IS P4P No.1 and the GOAT of MMA!

The trouble with P4P is that it's all conjecture.

With regard to Couture vs Lesnar the stats state that Couture (6' 2") is 1 inch shorter than Lesnar (6' 3"). Does this look like a 1" height difference?

Randy is a LHW and left a relatively tough division to spread his oats in a division he's been in before and was in a sorry state. Lesnar is a SuperHW who has to cut weight to get into the HW division.

Who is the better P4P fighter out of the two?

My personal P4P pick? I'd have to say Joe Son.

Maybe but he hasn't fought any decent competition for years (Sylvia excepted).

Anderson Silva has been untouchable, beating Franklin (twice), Hendo and Marquardt, all of whom are probably top 5 fighters in their class.