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George v Silva or Jones would result in a one sided mismatch IMHO
the old saying (a good big un will always beat a good little un) springs to mind throughout history in the fight game even great champions who go up in weight have never done well At Welter weight George is top dog... the other two are very big in there own divisions and I cannot see anything other than a 1st round victory for both Jones or Silva |
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I would love to see a Jones v Silva fight, although as they say, styles make fights, and both of them do seem to have similar styles, so I wonder if that will even itsrlf out.
As for George, he has been out for a while, so lets see how he gets on, in what will be a very tough fight for him, there might be some ringrust there. |
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Great night of fights, very satisfying. Must have Silva and Jones.
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#2004 |
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The Human punchbag also did deserve to get stopped, it was painful to watch him saying that he could carry on.
Why his corner didn't just tell him no, I will never know. |
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UFC have announced Jon Jones vs Chael Sonnen for next april.
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Because they're both coaching on TUF.
That'll be making some interesting television. |
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Chael is all talk, he shouldn't be anywhere near a title shot.
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Chael is all talk, he shouldn't be anywhere near a title shot.
If there were tonnes of contenders bursting and awaiting a title shot then I'd be against it, but right now there isn't. This gives them time to build up a couple of contenders and also gives them time to do Machida/Henderson, with the winner of that getting a title shot. |
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I would rather see Bader or Phil Davis v Jones than Sonnen, but I guess if you talk a lot and don't back it up when it matters (i.e. the ring), then that equals a money spinning fight.
I would say that I dislike him, but that would be exactly what he would want me to feel about him. |
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I would rather see Bader or Phil Davis v Jones than Sonnen, but I guess if you talk a lot and don't back it up when it matters (i.e. the ring), then that equals a money spinning fight.
I would say that I dislike him, but that would be exactly what he would want me to feel about him. It's an interesting dynamic though as I assume they'll try to make the unlikeable Jones the babyface (good guy) in this scenario, though God knows if that'll work. |
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the unlikeable Jones the babyface (good guy) in this scenario, though God knows if that'll work.
Jones is a model citizen as far as I know has he not stopped two old Ladys from being mugged in the street and praised by the local police force for his actions in apprehending the muggers so in my book he does not deserve labeling 'unlikeable' even in his interviews he comes across as a real nice geezer |
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I have to disagree with your 'unlikeable' comment
Jones is a model citizen as far as I know has he not stopped two old Ladys from being mugged in the street and praised by the local police force for his actions in apprehending the muggers so in my book he does not deserve labeling 'unlikeable' even in his interviews he comes across as a real nice geezer |
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I cannot see how anyone could blame Jones for the non PPV, why not just show the event minus the Jones fight, and put whatever was goung to be the second to last fight as the last fight?
All the blame for that goes to Dana, but I think he knew that, and so in turn, he had to make someone else the "fall guy", in this case it was Jones. Sonnen is average at best, and will get beaten yet again in his (undeserved) title shot, but yeah, he will run his mouth as he always does, and will make a spectacle of himself on TuF, but that will be nothing new, as that is nothing new, and is stale now, as he cannot back it up when it matters most. |
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Jones was disliked way before the recent show cancellation stuff even happened. He continues to claim he's "the nicest guy in the world" and other stuff, but the truth is that many people don't buy it and simply don't find the guy likable and it stems back way before the recent stuff that happened.
Sonnen isn't only an average fighter either. Saying I've disliked the guy for a while would be an understatement, but he's a very good fighter, not incredible and of course nowhere near as good as he'll talk himself up to be, but yeah, certainly not average. And Bat, honestly, Bader getting a title shot instead? That'd be nothing short of a demolition and likely go along the lines of their previous fight. And Davis could probably do with another fight or two before being pushed into a title shot, certainly when you take into considering how the Rashad fight went. |
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I have to disagree with your 'unlikeable' comment
Jones is a model citizen as far as I know has he not stopped two old Ladys from being mugged in the street and praised by the local police force for his actions in apprehending the muggers so in my book he does not deserve labeling 'unlikeable' even in his interviews he comes across as a real nice geezer I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I think he's arrogant, having said that I pretty much always side with the underdog in these fights. |
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UFC gave him a bentley which he wrote off while drunk driving on May 19th. http://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/2012/...ews/in/2970721
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I think he's arrogant, having said that I pretty much always side with the underdog in these fights. so he got a drink conviction ..... my God if every single person who got a driving conviction was Labeled like that there would not be many left IMHO he Acts like a Champion without all the trash talk and foul mouthed four letter outbursts that a lot of the fighters come up with is he perfect NO is he a great fighter YES he he an undesirable character NO amazing how we have one thread on this forum about MMA and it turns into who is nice and who is not I think Sonnen is a great wrestler and could pose Bones a few problems if it goes to the ground but I think Jones has a much to good all round game to Lose to Sonnen |
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They should get Sonnen's mate CM Punk on TUF to tell us what he thinks about drink driving.
Doubt they'd do that somehow, but it'd be fun.I don't expect everybody to share my opinions, but this is clearly a fight based off personality, given it's got the reality show behind it and Sonnen wouldn't be the number one contender except for the fact he'll sell more pay per views than any of the others. I think Jones will wipe the floor with him, sadly.
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Jones was disliked way before the recent show cancellation stuff even happened. He continues to claim he's "the nicest guy in the world" and other stuff, but the truth is that many people don't buy it and simply don't find the guy likable and it stems back way before the recent stuff that happened.
Sonnen isn't only an average fighter either. Saying I've disliked the guy for a while would be an understatement, but he's a very good fighter, not incredible and of course nowhere near as good as he'll talk himself up to be, but yeah, certainly not average. And Bat, honestly, Bader getting a title shot instead? That'd be nothing short of a demolition and likely go along the lines of their previous fight. And Davis could probably do with another fight or two before being pushed into a title shot, certainly when you take into considering how the Rashad fight went. Sonnen should start at the bottom and work his way up, as if he was a newbie, which technically he is in this division. As for Phil, yeah maybe so, but I was just thinking of other people in that division that Jones has not faced before, that was all (plus I do actually quite like him). Why should Sonnen get prefetential treatment just because he knows how to open his mouth and speak a few words? Actions speak far louder than words, and his actions have just not been good enough at any level to warrent any sort of title shot, at any weight, nevermind with the third best in the UFC (I would say Anderson is number one, with George number two)! He should proove that he deserves this title shot, by you onow, actually winning some matches, I know that is a wild a crazy idea, but there you go, I will just put it out there. As for the like or not of Jones, he gets my respect as an athlete in the cage, but away from it, for certain aspects, he doesn't help himself (the driving charge as mentioned earlier), but in others he has been hard done by (getting the blame for the PPV getting canceled), so overall I don't mind him, he is certainly not in Sonnen's level of hatred, that is for sure. |
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Jones vs. Sonnen is being used to save TUF from sagging ratings.
Last week's episode only did 624,000 viewers, which is the lowest they've ever done. And they can probably go lower. Sonnen will get thrashed and I'll enjoy it. |
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Jones vs. Sonnen is being used to save TUF from sagging ratings.
Last week's episode only did 624,000 viewers, which is the lowest they've ever done. And they can probably go lower. Sonnen will get thrashed and I'll enjoy it. |
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Bader deserves the title shot more than a guy who has just moved into the division.
Sonnen should start at the bottom and work his way up, as if he was a newbie, which technically he is in this division. As for Phil, yeah maybe so, but I was just thinking of other people in that division that Jones has not faced before, that was all (plus I do actually quite like him). Why should Sonnen get prefetential treatment just because he knows how to open his mouth and speak a few words? Actions speak far louder than words, and his actions have just not been good enough at any level to warrent any sort of title shot, at any weight, nevermind with the third best in the UFC (I would say Anderson is number one, with George number two)! He should proove that he deserves this title shot, by you onow, actually winning some matches, I know that is a wild a crazy idea, but there you go, I will just put it out there. As for the like or not of Jones, he gets my respect as an athlete in the cage, but away from it, for certain aspects, he doesn't help himself (the driving charge as mentioned earlier), but in others he has been hard done by (getting the blame for the PPV getting canceled), so overall I don't mind him, he is certainly not in Sonnen's level of hatred, that is for sure. When this fight happens, Sonnen will have only lost two fights in the last four years. And those two fights happen to be against the greatest fighter in the history of MMA. Who does it benefit for Sonnen to be coming in and starting from the bottom? He's not some young guy with tonnes of time, he's a guy who's capable of selling fights at a big level. It benefits nobody what so ever for Sonnen to start coming into the LHW division and working his way up. This fight sells probably as much as anything they could come up with involving the LHW title right now (Bar Silva challenging him, which it's been made clear isn't happening any time soon, if ever). This helps potentially boost the TUF ratings, makes for some great viewing there and does good sales fight wise. In the mean time, Henderson get's healthy and fights Machida to determine the next challenger. If they currently had an abundance of challengers right now, Belfort would never have been challenging for the title like he did. Truth is that this fight makes sense. Sonnen will likely talk it up no end and the eventual result will work well for all involved. |
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I was just using Bader as an example of someone who has worked hard in that division, someone who has at least some sort of pedigree in the division, what pedigree in this division does Sonnen have?
What right does he have to just jump to the top of the line, and get a title shot? That he has a big mouth, and that he can talk practicaly non-stop about himself, and how good he is? He hasn't done anything in this division, as for saying that he isn't a young guy, well, tough, he should have moved up earlier then, and built a solid base to deserve or earn a title shot, like you know others have done before him. Trying to get ratings for a show that is falling out of favour, should not be a reason to give someone a title shot, people should earn them, by winning matches/bouts (call them what you will). This fight is only happening because of Sonnen's mouth, and not what he has acheived in this division, if what you have done in a division, is now no longer important, why have seperate division's at all then? Why not just have a shouting contest, and whoever shouts the loudest, gets a title shot, as this is what it looks like here. Yes, Sonnen is good, but at his own weight level, to be considered good at this weight level, he must earn it, sorry to keep repeating myself, but I guess I must be on my own in thinking that title fights must be earnt by the challenger. |
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I was just using Bader as an example of someone who has worked hard in that division, someone who has at least some sort of pedigree in the division, what pedigree in this division does Sonnen have?
What right does he have to just jump to the top of the line, and get a title shot? That he has a big mouth, and that he can talk practicaly non-stop about himself, and how good he is? He hasn't done anything in this division, as for saying that he isn't a young guy, well, tough, he should have moved up earlier then, and built a solid base to deserve or earn a title shot, like you know others have done before him. Trying to get ratings for a show that is falling out of favour, should not be a reason to give someone a title shot, people should earn them, by winning matches/bouts (call them what you will). This fight is only happening because of Sonnen's mouth, and not what he has acheived in this division, if what you have done in a division, is now no longer important, why have seperate division's at all then? Why not just have a shouting contest, and whoever shouts the loudest, gets a title shot, as this is what it looks like here. Yes, Sonnen is good, but at his own weight level, to be considered good at this weight level, he must earn it, sorry to keep repeating myself, but I guess I must be on my own in thinking that title fights must be earnt by the challenger. Sonnen got the shot as Sonnen/Jones will sell more pay per views than any other potential Jones fight, except for Jones/Anderson Silva, and if I was Jones I wouldn't want to fight Silva, because Silva would beat him. |
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if I was Jones I wouldn't want to fight Silva, because Silva would beat him.
Lets not forget Silva has Lost 4 times and submitted 3 times in the first round twice and once in the later rounds Jones has a great record and if not for the blemish against Matt Hammil with the disq he totally destroyed Hammil and his record would be unbeaten throughout his entire career Plus Jones is very Big Light Heavy I personally would not put a penny on Silva winning that fight great fighter that he is Jones would eat him alive |
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I'd take Anderson currently over Fedor at his peak, never mind Jones now.
Well, opinions vary.
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Doubt they'd do that somehow, but it'd be fun.