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Old 18-10-2006, 22:31
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It'sall a Simon Cowell money making scam manipulating the singers and the viewers, and we fall for it every year. I never vote but still watch
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Old 18-10-2006, 22:36
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Originally Posted by VoodooChic
It'sall a Simon Cowell money making scam manipulating the singers and the viewers, and we fall for it every year. I never vote but still watch
Lol! What are you saying VoodooChic?!
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Old 18-10-2006, 22:38
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The show doesn't do enough to perpetuate the image of these people as stars IMO. Not like American idol does. That's largely the problem. Playing up on hard luck stories is another problem.
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Old 18-10-2006, 22:38
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I would hope there would be considering how much money the public spend on voting! The question is what can be done about keeping the winner at the top? No one seems to know that!
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Old 18-10-2006, 22:42
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As soon as things get rough, the winner is dropped like a stone because next years is around the corner
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Old 18-10-2006, 22:43
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They can't keep the winner at the top because at the end of the day X-Factor has a short shelf life as far a the winner goes. The show creates a "novelty" artist, not a serious one, which isn't particularly fair to the winner, but it gives him or her a short shot at fame, and the you-know-who judges a lovely bit of money, and of course they also get the recognition of being big music moguls! And, I might add, it gives them an unfair advantage in the race for the Christmas Number One every year!
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Old 18-10-2006, 22:44
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The problem is people that vote in shows like this are not always people that will go out and buy records.
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Old 18-10-2006, 22:53
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Originally Posted by dashyork42
They can't keep the winner at the top because at the end of the day X-Factor has a short shelf life as far a the winner goes. The show creates a "novelty" artist, not a serious one, which isn't particularly fair to the winner, but it gives him or her a short shot at fame, and the you-know-who judges a lovely bit of money, and of course they also get the recognition of being big music moguls! And, I might add, it gives them an unfair advantage in the race for the Christmas Number One every year!
That's the problem, having a short shelf life as you put it is how the public see it too and, as you say, it isn't taken serious enough, yet you see the Contestants battling it out on the Live Shows, week after week. The sheer tension. The hard work they must go through too! I would like a Contestant to write a book one day to let us in on the life of being an XFactor Contestant, what a read that would be.
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Old 18-10-2006, 22:59
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Originally Posted by JimRockford
The problem is people that vote in shows like this are not always people that will go out and buy records.
Indeed. It isn't a coincidence that Mothers Day week is an important one for the sales.

As someone said they're more interested in making a quick buck here from calls and a quick album of covers, then on to the next one, and sink or swim for the artist.

In the US it's evolved into what Pop Idol was in series one, and Clarkson and Underwood gaining respect and big sales in their fields now encourages genuine talent and the TV show gets bigger and bigger.

It also helps if you have a massive population to be fair.
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Old 18-10-2006, 23:21
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Originally Posted by Siannah
That's the problem, having a short shelf life as you put it is how the public see it too and, as you say, it isn't taken serious enough, yet you see the Contestants battling it out on the Live Shows, week after week. The sheer tension. The hard work they must go through too! I would like a Contestant to write a book one day to let us in on the life of being an XFactor Contestant, what a read that would be.
The GBP love the tension of the show but have become more cynical with each season since PI1. The reality is that with each passing year the acts have less & less chance of making anything out of the experience. Partly in my view due to the quality of talent but as much to due with the cynicism of the media & a signficant portion of the public. I often wonder if Will would have had the same success if he had entered X-Factor a few years later. Nothing to do with his talent but the media response to him as a reality tv contestant.

Re: experience - G4 have published a book about their time on X-Factor.

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Old 18-10-2006, 23:33
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I think if the show did what it said on the tin and found someone who actually had the XFactor, then yes it could have a long term successful winner.

I'm hoping that Eton Road have more than that one amazing performance up their sleeve, because in Anthony, I think they have someone who makes an ordinary but talented group, very special indeed, that's what XFactor's all about.
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Old 18-10-2006, 23:35
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Not a hope.
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Old 18-10-2006, 23:35
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As I have said on other threads, it is unfair to say that the show hasn't produced any long term artists, as it has only been on two years. G4 are now on their third album with 1 million sold so far, quite an achievement in the modern music industry. Last year provided three platinum selling albums, and if Shayne can start putting out some decent music, he may be able to continue. Journey South are writting their second album, and if it gains some success, they could well be long term artists.

In the US, there seems to be less focus on the "novelty" of the acts, though Taylor winning this year may be a sign that they are heading that way. Even in Pop Idol 1, there was huge focus on Rik's weight, and Gareth overcoming his stammer, continuing into Michelle's weight in series 2. Also, the British mentality seems to be to love to see reality show winners fail, this is particularly obvious in the press.

Many comment on how Sony BMG are happy for the acts to only last a year, but I fail to see the business logic in that. Kelly Clarkson is now a global superstar, last year, Sony BMG sold 9 million albums in the US alone from Idol winners. X Factor is the ultimate launch platform for an artist, 9 million viewers a week for 4 months!!! Surely BMG would want to take advantage of that? Lionel Richie and Rod Stewart certainly are. Syco could be building up a roster of acts which could potentially have million selling albums for years to come.

Despite the fact that Shayne's album was incredibly badly handled by Syco/BMG, it has been a success, top 10 for the year so far, and will probably end up selling close to 500,000 units after his next single. Yet, has Shayne's success been highlighted by the show? The producers need to start focussing on promoting the contestants as potential recording artists, not a "touching story". Throughout the show, the acts should be working with their mentors at recording a song with producers to perform live on a Saturday show, with another at the final, so as each act will have the chance to release a non ballad first single and define themselves ahead of their first album.

As for this year, I can certainly see acts with a potential to be successful recording artists. Leona, Nikitta, Ray, Ashley, Eton Road and Ben could make it if they are properly managed.
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Old 19-10-2006, 00:07
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No, there will not becasue as is normal with the Brits, they will build someone up purely then to knock them down.

Also, people that are found on this type of show are labelled as manufactured artists and people know too much about them before their released music is available to give them a real break.
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Old 19-10-2006, 03:18
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Originally Posted by C14E
As I have said on other threads, it is unfair to say that the show hasn't produced any long term artists, as it has only been on two years. G4 are now on their third album with 1 million sold so far, quite an achievement in the modern music industry. Last year provided three platinum selling albums, and if Shayne can start putting out some decent music, he may be able to continue. Journey South are writting their second album, and if it gains some success, they could well be long term artists.

In the US, there seems to be less focus on the "novelty" of the acts, though Taylor winning this year may be a sign that they are heading that way. Even in Pop Idol 1, there was huge focus on Rik's weight, and Gareth overcoming his stammer, continuing into Michelle's weight in series 2. Also, the British mentality seems to be to love to see reality show winners fail, this is particularly obvious in the press.

Many comment on how Sony BMG are happy for the acts to only last a year, but I fail to see the business logic in that. Kelly Clarkson is now a global superstar, last year, Sony BMG sold 9 million albums in the US alone from Idol winners. X Factor is the ultimate launch platform for an artist, 9 million viewers a week for 4 months!!! Surely BMG would want to take advantage of that? Lionel Richie and Rod Stewart certainly are. Syco could be building up a roster of acts which could potentially have million selling albums for years to come.

Despite the fact that Shayne's album was incredibly badly handled by Syco/BMG, it has been a success, top 10 for the year so far, and will probably end up selling close to 500,000 units after his next single. Yet, has Shayne's success been highlighted by the show? The producers need to start focussing on promoting the contestants as potential recording artists, not a "touching story". Throughout the show, the acts should be working with their mentors at recording a song with producers to perform live on a Saturday show, with another at the final, so as each act will have the chance to release a non ballad first single and define themselves ahead of their first album.

As for this year, I can certainly see acts with a potential to be successful recording artists. Leona, Nikitta, Ray, Ashley, Eton Road and Ben could make it if they are properly managed.


Nice to see some positive comments about the potential for the contestants. I agree that it would not make sense for the shows producers to want the winners to fail.

However, apart from a brief appearance on this year's x factor, I haven't seen or heard a lot of Shayne Ward since last year. What's he been up to since he won?
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Old 20-10-2006, 15:38
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Originally Posted by Marguerite

I'm hoping that Eton Road have more than that one amazing performance up their sleeve, because in Anthony, I think they have someone who makes an ordinary but talented group, very special indeed, that's what XFactor's all about.
I agree, Anthony could be a real find. He has an amazing voice, and there's something fascinating about him as a person that compels you to watch, and watch again. The only person with any discernible 'X-factor' that this show has found to date, IMO.
For the sake of his own career prospects, though, I hope the group doesn't win - they'd be far better off without Louis Walsh as a manager, who tries to turn all his proteges into Westlife clones.
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Old 20-10-2006, 16:11
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G4 have been winners in the long term. All of their albums have gone platinum so far and i think this might continue for them?
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Old 20-10-2006, 16:41
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Originally Posted by Bluebird69
I agree, Anthony could be a real find. He has an amazing voice, and there's something fascinating about him as a person that compels you to watch, and watch again. The only person with any discernible 'X-factor' that this show has found to date, IMO.
For the sake of his own career prospects, though, I hope the group doesn't win - they'd be far better off without Louis Walsh as a manager, who tries to turn all his proteges into Westlife clones.


I agree about Anthony I love his voice and his uniqueness and he is so beautiful to look at with his air of fragility and vulnerability.He could be a future solo star.17 is really young to be a solo singer in the cut-throat music industry.


I think Nikkita could be a big find too-she gives me goosebumps when she sings stuff like Dimming of the day.

A lot of the other acts are completely forgettable for me.


To come from a show like this and to achieve longevity they could do worse than look back at how Will Young has built his career.
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Old 20-10-2006, 16:55
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I watch X Factor and watched Popstars, Pop Idol, Popstars The Rivals.

But I'm now getting a bit weary of these type of programmes.

The only people I think to come out of the shows I mentioned with an ounce of credibility and staying power is Will Young, Liberty X (who were rejects on popstars) and Girls Aloud.

I think it's possiby time for a break from these shows, yes they are entertaining to watch but lets not kid ourselves that the new for example Corinne Baily Rae, Snow Patrol or Elton John is going to be discovered. Simon Cowell and his cohorts are in it purely for the money that comes from the TV rights, advertising revenue and the eventual winners guatanteed high first single sales.
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Old 20-10-2006, 17:19
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As has been said, there's a few acts that make it

Popstars gave us Hearsay, but Liberty X the runners up are doing better

Pop Idol 1 gave us Will Young who is doing well, Gareth Gates is still loitering around somewhere so I believe.

Popstars The Rivals bought One True Voice and Girls Aloud, the latter of are still in work

Pop Idol 2 that was Michelle McManus - she hasn't continued with the singing but I guess she's doing well in radio.....anyone else come in from that?

X Factor was of course Steve Brookstein, and G4, again the latter more successful

Last year was Shane, Andy and Journey South - guess it's to be decided in a year or two.

All in all it's not too bad I guess
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Old 20-10-2006, 18:25
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'I'm here to win Simon some dough, that's my goal.'
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Old 20-10-2006, 18:43
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Maybe if the voting was free we'd get a winner who would maintain the support of those who voted. As it is there is a section of the public who are serial reality show voters who will vote on anything just because they can. When the show is something like Strictly Come Dancing or even Big Brother the winner doesn't need continued support but an X-factor act does need it.
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Old 20-10-2006, 18:49
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That's my-eeee go!

no chance! the only winner is The X Factor!
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Old 20-10-2006, 19:18
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Originally Posted by zelana
Maybe if the voting was free we'd get a winner who would maintain the support of those who voted.
Don't see the logic in that one. Surely people actually spending their own money to vote for an act means that they have to actually support & want an act to succeed. I know there appears to be a lot of people with more money than sense given the nos. voting on Saturday night compared to cd sales post show.

But, if it was free it would be even more of 'a bit of Saturday night night fun' picking who you like best with not a second thought once show finishes.

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Old 20-10-2006, 19:38
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Most of you people are all idiots. You don't even know who the winner is going to be, let alone if they are going to be successful.
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