Talking of polishing, have you heard of the phrase "not being able to polish a t*rd?" I think this applies in Georgina's case.

I think there is something more fundamental wrong than a lack of effort and application in Georgie's case: she seems to lack any basic ability to build upon.

HCG

I refer to my earlier post: for many celebs, it is pretty serious as a career move. Look at the boost in profile for both certain celebs and pro's.

The CIN connection is a convenient link to avoid too close scrutiny into much money is being spent and encouraged to be spent on voting.

HCG

I think in dance terms, you've either got it or you haven't. Like Fiona Phillips in the last series, Georgina has no basic fundamental skills to work from so unless a miracle happens I can't see her getting much better!

I was also amazed that spoony went......however as all the men are better than half of the women I suppose we had to lose one early......honest voting? I doubt it....I am just sad that we have to watch an embarrassing dance routine again next week.....and charities will still get lots of money when she is eventually voted off.

Please all other voters....lets be honest and keep in those who want to be there and try to do their best!!!

I for one will not watch after next week if she is still there!!

Bet you do

This says it all for me, correct analysis (sadly)

I don't think voting in between shows should be allowed, keep it to just voting on the performance in Saturday's show, after all it is all about this (supposedly)

May one politely ask if you have copied and pasted everything you wrote last year, HCG

I agree that voting should be judged on the live Saturday performance - which is what I always do. BUT I really don't think I shall be voting in future as so many voters seem to take some sort of perverse pleasure in keeping in the most cringeworthy "dancers". It is embarrassing to watch. Why would anyone want to keep in the celebs who are humiliating themselves. I feel so sorry for Spoony and Ola and I will miss them. Time for a re-think of the voting system - and soon please.

And I say again, nobody died. Celebrities' career moves are not the most important things in the world. If Jill Halfpenny hadn't made it into Chicago it wouldn't have had a huge effect on the state of the planet.

Lots of moaning going on (me included) about last nights result, but few suggestions about how the outcomes can be weighted more in favour of the better dancers.

So since we know that the Beeb look in on this forum, how about coming up with ideas that they could possibly implement in the future.

Many people have already suggested voting for the person you want to evict rather than save, but this may reduce the income for Children in Need.

Maybe the weighting of scores vs viewer calls could be altered to 67% / 33%, or maybe it could be related to the actual score rather than position!

Your thoughts?

I think it's wrong to assume that the BBC aren't anything but delighted with these 'shock' results.

What's actually happened? We've lost a mid-ranking (albeit with potential), low-ish profile couple and next week ALL the remaining couples - and more importantly the audience - will know that if they don't perform well on the night, they could be next.

I think negative voting would alter the whole feel of the show too, which isn't really something that should happen.

It's a tricky one - when it boils down to it mostly they want to keep the people in who are getting the most public votes 'cos this means more revenue. I'm sorry to bring up Zoe again, but last year for whatever reason people weren't voting for her. I think it scared them a little bit - she was one of the best dancers - if not the best - and to have her go out early one would again have shown the voting up, so they had to try a different approach, and made sure she was at the top of the leader board. Unfortunately, this just made things worse and the more the judges praised her and slightly inflated her scores, the less popular she became. Really, that was a disaster of their own making and they should take note for this year! She only lasted as long as she did because she was so high up the leader board - as soon as the couples/marks dropped enough to mean that she could be in the bottom 2, she was.

Like I've said elsewhere, it would be interesting to know just what an impact the fact the lines are open through the week does have on the scores. There they sit on ITT pulling people and the dances to pieces, saying who they want to go and it just makes people vote for them all the more to show the judges they don't have the final say.

Possibly something in the line of X-factor where the bottom 2 are announced and then have to dance again - and the phone lines opened just for those 2 couples with just a viewer poll deciding who stays and who goes - nothing to do with marks from the judges.

Whilst everyone stands around in surprise Poor old spoony has gone.

Here is a quick thought, Whilist the rest of the general public were voting to keep Gerogina (the two left footed, desperate for a new tv contract, oh look horrible judges, even worse nasty man teaching me to dance, boohoo hoo) in for yet another week, then by rights who was the next worse?

Well, well, well three holes in the ground, who was that again eeerrrrmmm Anton?

Then todays forums would have been ANTON'S GONE, OH NO ANTONS NO MORE, Followed on Monday by

Whilst everyone stands around in surprise Poor old spoony has gone.

Here is a quick thought, Whilist the rest of the general public were voting to keep Gerogina (the two left footed, desperate for a new tv contract, oh look horrible judges, even worse nasty man teaching me to dance, boohoo hoo) in for yet another week, then by rights who was the next worse?

Well, well, well three holes in the ground, who was that again eeerrrrmmm Anton?

Then todays forums would have been ANTON'S GONE, OH NO ANTONS NO MORE, Followed on Monday by WE HATE EVERYONE ELSE, NO MORE ANTON THEN WE ARE NOT GOING TO PLAY ANYMORE. and before you all start on then just go back to last years forum to see what happened once Anton left.

So stop all this surprise that Spoony left just be glad that Anton didn't go. Hopefully nest week Gergina will leave she is a terrible dancer. So next week everyone place one vote with everyone else and do not give a vote to Georgina. Pray to your God she goes.
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Anton didn't derserve to go but then neither did Spoony.

Personally I prefered watching Anton and Jan over Spoony and Ola so they would have got my vote.

I was shocked when Ian went, and if Anton had gone, despite this week dancing what can only be described as lesson in how not to jive, I loved their quickstep the previous week. I know theoretically you are supposed to vote on the best that night, but it's impossible to be that impartial.

James Martin does have a huge fan base - but to be fair he did at least try which was more than Fiona Phillips did and the public also voted her back week after week. Just maybe people don't know spoony enough - and after all Georgina was very much in evidence on casualty between the two SCD programmes last night

Well, weighting the votes 67% / 33% in favour of the judges is, to my mind, hardly better given that they clearly have their favourites too!

Mathematically speaking, it is trivial to devise a system whereby the public vote could be converted to a score and added to the judges figures, rather than doing it by position. However, this would not necessarily get rid of shock results.

For example, say we have three couples. Couple A is good and get 30 from the judges. Couple B is fair, but hardly remarkable and get 25. Couple C is pretty awful and gets only 15.

The public vote for the best couple (A) and there is a big sympathy vote for the worst couple (C) who were given a roasting by Craig and Arlene. The public largely ignore the reasonable, but unmemorable performance from the middle ranking couple.

Lets say the actual voting figures are 200,000 for A, 190,000 for C and 50,000 for B. To make the voting figures into a score you could, for example, say that the top vote gets the same as the top mark from the judges and that the bottom vote gets the same as the bottom mark from the judges. Anybody in the middle gets a score in proportion to the others.

On the above basis, the final scores are
A: 30+30 = 60
C: 15+29 = 44
B: 25+15 = 40

So B, who probably should have stayed in, go out.

I don't know what sort of numbers come in for votes, but if the polls on this forum are any sort of guide, there could be a very wide disparity in the number of votes registered by the couples. Therefore, I think my example may not be unrealistic.

Nick

We have heard all of this last year, please remember that YOU are asked to vote for YOUR favourite, which simply means that YOU pick up the phone and vote for whomever YOU want to stay in, if YOU want to. You are under no obligation. Love the dancer or love the celeb. The Beeb have decided the way the votes are counted. Whether it's fair or whether it's not, that's the way it is.


No amount of 'it should be done this way', 'it should be done that way', percentage this, percentage that. The Great British Public pick up the phone and vote their way and long may it be so!!

Obviously not, "Lady" as you will see that my vitriol to a certain party has waned significantly.

HCG

It has come up the last four years and is likely to keep coming up. This year is more salient as the gulf in performance and talent between the evictee and the runner up was so large. Spoony had the potential to go a long way, further than Peter and Claire for example, based on the first two weeks. The reaction of the judges said it all.

It's almost worth taking the judges votes away for all the influence it has on the competition.

On the subject of the GBP, it has been seen time and again that in general it doesn't know its a*se from its elbow when it comes to talent. I think Will Young is one of the very few times when a close run thing turned out to be correct in the end.

There is nothing wrong with a few disguntled people using the board as a forum to vent their frustration, just as there is nothing wrong with using this board for your reasons for being here. I may not share the same views but i respect your right to be here.

This thread is a healthy discussion on salient points. True, it'll never change but why should we not discuss our ideas and theories. This board should have as many different viewpoints as possible. I love the show, i love the dancing, i just wish talent stayed in for longer and the deadwood gets the boot quicker. This week has put the minor infractions with Fiona and GC into sharp relief.

We don't agree, that's how it is. I'll keep pushing for talent to win out.

HCG
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I agree, plus we must not forget that the reason voting is allowed all week is because the show is for CHARITY. The more votes the more little children get help. Thats a good enough reason for me understand why the voting is the way it is.
Sorry Spoony.

I am still very sorry that Spoony has gone and still amazed that the worst dancer on the night is still in, who imho was Anton and Jan, who wouldn't be there if it wasn't for his fan base. Georgina had improved from the previous week and Spoony's marks remained the same, Anton and Jan had dropped six points. As for praying to my God about SCD I don't think so! I like SCD but in no way a fanatic. BTW homecinemaguru
a great post up there, and I agree with every word you said... surely the best dancer should be the winner.
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For me, the show is all about who shows the most improvement (as in Darren Gough last year). Georgina I agree will never make a dancer, but her performance on Saturday was a vast improvement over last week - Spoony's wasn't. The judges all rave over Louise Lytton, but she's been dancing since she was three, so she should be good or else she's been wasting her time.

I can't vote by the way because I live in Switzerland. It seems the BBC think Children in Need is rich enough not to need money from overseas viewers (and there are many of us) so haven't bothered to set up any system for overseas viewers to vote!

But by and large they are - Natasha won series one, Jill series 2 and Darren last year - perhaps he wasn't the best dancer per se, but for improvement and progress he was up there and he had that 'something' which caught the public imagination.

When all is said and done, it is for charity - maybe the celebs are doing it in some cases with a little bit of an ulterior motive in that it raises their profile for other projects but it isn't like X-factor when a whole new (temporary!) career hinges on the outcome. Spoony went out on Saturday and I'm sure he's suitabley gutted but he still has his day job.

It's a light entertainment programme which makes money for charity and popularity contest before it is a dancing competition - and by and large it works really well.

And, I really wouldn't want them to tinker with it too much - I mean, what would I moan about - I've gotta have something!