The show is marvellous as it is.

Just leave it be!

What's done is done. If it matters so much, don't let it happen next week.

Sorry I have to stick an oar in this barrage against the voting, IF Jan or Georgina had gone there would not be one thread demanding the wholesale alteration of the public voting system. The fact is that is the way the BBC has decided to do it that way, probably to increase revenue for Children In Need and to keep the profile of the programme high.

IF the voters had any brains there would have been no doubt about the bottom two and especially about the losers, cos Georgina has been atrocious since day 1. Weighting the judges influence would not matter making the voting post show probably wouldn't effect it much, as the Holby fans on seeing 'those nasty judges' having a go at whatever her character's name is would have made them vote even more in the interval. Remember SCD sandwiches Holby/Casualty Saturday night slot (with a garnish of Lottery draws) so the casual viewer is going to be predispossed to be a fan of anyone from that show AND on seeing that nasty Craig giving her a two when she tried SO HARD is going to make them vote for her.

And sorry an X Factor type dance off would just increase the length of the second programme and being the BBC they have to seen to being answerable to the viewing public, so for the GBP for whatever reason to have decided that Spoony is less popular than the rest of them, to give the judges a 'get out of jail card' to let him stay would be a smack in the face.

Heck we sit here being all high and mighty wittering on about how we can all recognise a decent routine, BUT if the voters decide they prefer who stays surely the problem lies with telling the rest of the viewers what to look for.
Last edited by Hamlet77 : 23-10-2006 at 11:02

Well said

I know Georgina is no good at dancing but given the choice between her and that Fiona P it would be Georgie a million times over.

Totally agree. I don't see what's wrong with the current system. We need to have a public vote as well as the judges otherwise it become far too predictable and too much about being best at the dancing (whilst ignoring for many of us it's an entertainment show). With having any public vote you are always going to have the odd shock result. It's a shame for who goes out but you have to admit it makes it very exciting.

If I remember weren't Spoony & Ola at the bottom (or very near) in the Week 3 poll on this forum - we can hardly blame the voting public for seemingly reflecting our own views.

I've just stuck my nose on the X-factor forum and it seems that niggles with the votes aren't confined to SCD!!

This is probably the most reasoned and reasonable answer to the farce of Saturday nights results - in addition though, I do think that a dance off between the two bottom couples and the eviction decided by the judges would be a good way to resolve this strange result (and yes there have been strange results in all series of SCD) happening in the future - then the show can be what it should be about - the joy of dancing and no matter how you look at it that phrase cannot be attached to Georgina!

I do like Louisa but a 10 was wholly unjustified and that kind of scoring will have the reverse effect on the voting public and could see this couple out too!

.......and the Jimmy Tarbuck space - if not for the critisism BB had levied at them for ''bring back'' (I'm sorry but in the end did that not generate even more phone calls = money for charity?) my suggestion would be to give Spoony and Ola a wild card and bring them back this week - and see what happens!

I can't agree with that bit. Hopefully this shock news has given everyone dancers and their supporters alike a kick up the bum!

They must know now they can't reply in getting a reason middle of the table score and assume they can coast through and the public support is almost more important!

.....and what possible difference is that going to make to Georgina or Jan who are of the Fiona school of Simply Cannot Dance......heaven knows I don't want to see either of these women ''trying harder'' - they are excrutiating enough as it is

Seems to me that the Big Brother and SCD voting systems are the wrong way round. SCD is supposed to be a talent rather than poplarity contest, so it does make sense to get people to vote against the dancers, as it minimises the power of the fan vote (as another poster has already said).
However, Big Brother ran into trouble this year for the opposite reason. None of the people in the show have any particiular talent as such, it's entirely a personality contest among unknowns, so it would be much better to get people to vote for their favourites thus guaranteeing that the interesting characters stay and the dull ones don't fly under the radar.
The reason I imagine they keep the voting systems as they are, is because SCD wants to spare the celebs' feelings (even though the results are patently unfair), and Big Brother likes the idea of being cruel to wannabees (even though they often end up keeping bores over 'characters').

Oh no I wont...reply to dsnik on whether I will vote again
Last edited by tkdelta : 23-10-2006 at 12:34

And how pray tell are we supposed to do this with a flawed voting system?

The Anton and Georgie lobby will carpet bomb them so there is no way to counteract it? And i think Anton is a legend but lets vote on the performances, not the personalities or lack thereof in Georgie's case: I like chocolate, I can't dance, my partner's an a*se" Maybe this lack of anything behind the eyes is why she is a bad dancer and an average at best actor. She's better suited to the moving wallpaper style of acting in Hollyoaks, rather than Casualty, which even then isn't a whole lot better!

HCG

If there was a dance off between the bottom two couples there'd be a huge fuss one week because someone perceived as a judges' favourite would get saved. Outrageous results like Saturday get everyone worked up and talking about it. It's always going to be subjective, the judges can't even agree with each other, and the loony unpredictable element makes it more fun!

I think if it came to a dance off then they should open the phone lines again and just have a viewer vote to save. I don't think the judges should be involved!
It might stop results like Saturday if people knew exactly who was in danger - then again it might not - I think you are always going to get what are percieved to be rouge results with a viewer poll.

First chance I've had to say how very very upset I am with the judges points on Saturday. Karen/Mark and Erin/Peter were fabulous. The judges themselves said so and yet they gave Emma and Darren higher marks when they made glaring mistakes.

I don't have a problem with who leaves under the public vote, but as in the last series, I find the judges points inconsistent with their comments. I'm becoming quite bored with this set of judges, it is spoiling the show for me and I may just not bother watching at all. I find their behaviour towards each other completely unprofessional.

(Still love Claudia on ITT though).

I agree in one way... But then it brings up other problems... As long as the GBP are voting noone is EVER gonna be happy...

And we know we defintly can't leave it to the judges else we'd already be handing Emma or Louisa the trophy...

Just watching IT2, and the highlights of Spoony and Ola are just bringing back what a complete travesty Saturday's result was!

I'm fed up of people going "I'm voting for Ian" or whatever on Thursdays. How do you know when they haven't danced yet? It's not supposed to be a personality contest, or a "who's the sexiest professional dancer" contest, it's an amateur dancing contest!!!! Some people had made up their minds as soon as the list of couples was released.

The people who voted for Jan/Anton, Claire/Brendan or Georgina/James between the last two Saturdays should feel ashamed of themselves.
Last edited by JoDay : 23-10-2006 at 18:53

The people who vote aren't even looking at the performances, they're just judging the personalities. How can you sit voting all week long when there is no dancing to watch?!

And I don't understand 'sympathy' votes. Vote for who is most impressive, not the no-hopers with two left feet.

Craig Revel Horwood was appauled at the fact that an audience would vote for anthing but the best dancers, he surely don't know that people are voting for their favourites all week ,long before they dance, he seemed convinced that it is a dancing contest obviously never seen this forum Did they not give the voting numbers out tonight as usual ,or did I switch off too soon.

to avoid it they should change all the dancers each season ie the celebs and the professionals it would elminate all the voting for favourites

I (along with loads of other people I'm guessing) wouldn't bother watching it if some of the pro's weren't on the show, its nice seeing how ur favourite does and how the partnerships change year after year.

I suggest that people should vote for who should go out instead of who should stay in, that would be a fairer way of doing it and would probably throw up less surprises

Personally I don't really care whether people vote for the dancing or just their favourites. It does seem a bit wrong though that so many people are surprised and disappointed with this particular result regardless of whom they voted for.

Negative voting alone wouldn't work. SCD is a positive show and people like supporting individuals. Unlike BB which runs on hatred to a significant extent (and where most of the votes are head-to-heads anyway), SCD wouldn't get the votes in on a negative system. Apart from the 'F**k the kiddies' message that sends, having a small number of voters just increases the influence of nutters.

A couple of suggestions to make things less frustrating:
-Dual voting: you can either vote positively or negatively. That would counteract some of the 'noticeable because s**te' votes. So eg the Jan-support votes would be a spread of pro-Jan votes and anti-Georgina votes. But really I doubt people would use negative votes much when there isn't a tie at the bottom of the table.
-Allow some 'topping off' before the voting closes. So the 3 or 4 top pairs at the start of the second show would announced safe, and that would wake people up to voting for those who hadn't been.
Both of these might be plausible options as they'd probably lead to more votes if anything. (Are you listening Beeb?)

But really the important thing to remember is that democracy doesn't work.

the other way is to adapt the SDF format and make the bottom two couples dance off with the judges deciding on Saturday Georgina would have gone would be agreeable with that

But by doing that you discount the public vote too much I hate that about the X factor (and I don't even watch it!) you cannot say fairer than 50/50

would like to see some change Im afraid after saturdays farce

it's weird because i obviously agree they should have stayed but overall i could not see them as winners so does it matter they go now? (hopes not to get lynched)