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Farcical voting system gets it wrong again
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Aeryn
23-10-2006
We can keep on and on about the facical voting system, but lets face it, it happend, the clock can't be turn back.
So please lets look forward to next Saturday, and please, PLEASE vote for your favorite(s), instead of sitting on the fence, and hoping that it'll be alright.
bendymixer
23-10-2006
see your point dippy but Goughie last year did not look like the winner at this stage, with Zoe and Colin looking like the potenital ones, Spoony to my mind was every bit as good or if not better than Goughie and this stage they may have developed who knows? BUT Georgina or Jan will not thats for sure
marieofromania
23-10-2006
Please give Georgina a chance to prove herself with a ballroom dance. She's only done Latin so far, and it just might not be her thing. Also, I think people are wrong to suggest that the 'Casualty' factor is keeping her in. Traditionally Casualty and Holby people are voted out very early. Whatever it is that people like about Georgina, I don't think it's anything to do with the show she's in.
Kaos
24-10-2006
I don't think you can call the voting a farce... I don't like voting until after the main show on a Saturday and I do believe that is the only time you should be able to vote...

Thinking about it now... A negative vote would be just as bad... Think of all the conspiracy theories then...

As for this being a dance competition... Of course half of it is... But the other half is a family entertainment programme... I believe if they want to take it as a serious dancing competition then don't add the public vote... Don't forget not all fans of SCD dance so may vote for a more entertaining dance anyways even if they aren't voting for their favourites...

I love SCD and I don't think its fair better couples come out week after week... But we all and I mean ALL of us have different opinons on what dance is good or not... You might be dancers, but most people aren't.... I don't care what Craig says people watch it because of the sparkle not because of the technical...
GEGGS37
24-10-2006
Originally Posted by homecinemaguru:
“Once again tonight, as it does every year, justice has not been served and the Great British Public gets it catastrophically wrong again.

Every series, the "people power" of a talentless celeb boots out a decent performer. The Chris Parker, Diarmuid Gavin, Fiona Phillips, James Martin and now Georgie Bouzova Factor poisons the contest again. Any rational person must feel sorry for Spoony and Ola, just like you must have for Will Thorpe last year.

As the GBP continually employ the sympathy card (I bet Tarby got more votes than Spoony after it was announced he was leaving!), the voting system needs to be balanced more in the favour of the dancing, not the popularity vote.

Here is how it should go

judges vote as is
viewer vote as is but only allowed between the two shows, a la X Factor
bottom two dance again (optional)
judges vote on who to keep
if tied, goes on original score
if tied, goes on viewer vote

This system has the following benefits

It removes the ability to vote repeatedly throughout the week for either favourite celeb or professional, making the dancing performance on the night almost irrelevant.
It increases the power of the judges at the end: they have in the past given possibly inflated scores to try and counteract the voting surge towards the lesser, more heavily criticised couples
It can cause some more entertaining rucks between the judges

The potential criticism of shutting the voting lines through the week and cutting the money going to charity can be easily countered by increasing voting capacity on the night. X Factor easily gets more votes in just a couple of hours. Hopefully, this would reduce the "carpet bombing voting" of certain factions of the board that taint the competition.

Of course, if they ran a phone number check and banned anyone from voting who has ever rung into The Mint, Quizmania or their ilk, i think the issue may go away by itself.

As a final parting shot, what happens now as we are a couple short. there is no way that the series will end a week early as the final must go head to head with the x factor final.

HCG”

THE PEOPLE ARE SPENDING GOOD MONEY TO VOTE...IT IS GOING TO CHILDREN IN NEED.........THEY ARE VOTING FOR WHO THEY ENJOY WATCHING DANCE.........THEY ENJOY THE PROGRAMME........IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT WATCH
McDancin' Feet
24-10-2006
At the end of the repeat SCD on Sunday evening when the voting phone numbers were being given out Tess said[paraphrasing] "... remember vote for your favourite couple...]. The idea appears to be for the public not to vote for who they think are the best dancers that evening, but who are their favourites throughout the series to keep them in.
GEGGS37
24-10-2006
Originally Posted by McDancin' Feet:
“At the end of the repeat SCD on Sunday evening when the voting phone numbers were being given out Tess said[paraphrasing] "... remember vote for your favourite couple...]. The idea appears to be for the public not to vote for who they think are the best dancers that evening, but who are their favourites throughout the series to keep them in.”

I TOTALY AGREE WITH THAT,AND THAT IS WHAT THE PUBLIC IS DOING.........VOTING FOR WHO THEY ENJOY WATCHING
sarah-flute
24-10-2006
Originally Posted by McDancin' Feet:
“At the end of the repeat SCD on Sunday evening when the voting phone numbers were being given out Tess said[paraphrasing] "... remember vote for your favourite couple...]. The idea appears to be for the public not to vote for who they think are the best dancers that evening, but who are their favourites throughout the series to keep them in.”

I particularly noticed that last night - if they're going to continually say that, then they can't be that surprised when stupid things like Spoony getting knocked out happen.

To be honest I almost felt the most sorry for Georgina, she looked disappointed and frankly horrified when Spoony's name was called out.
sarah-flute
24-10-2006
ps: G only got voted up one notch - from last to second-last. So I would guess she hasn't got THAT much public support. Spoony just fell foul of people thinking he was safe because he'd done OK and got reasonable scores, without being so good that people thought "oooh, I MUST vote"
Sloopy
24-10-2006
It's got to be Georgina or Jan to go this week, regardless of how the viewers vote. There is nobody worse that deserves to go before either of them.
sarah-flute
24-10-2006
Hope it's Georgina - besides the awful dancing, she just looks like she's not enjoying herself.

Though I don't think anyone's place is guaranteed - no one expected Spoony to go out.
Sallyforth
24-10-2006
The factors why Spoony might have gone are interesting but I honestly think that more importantly he was a victim of sympathy voting, just as Mischa (to a lesser extent as her performance was less good) was last week.
sarah-flute
24-10-2006
Definitely he was a victim of the sympathy vote! The irony is, if the judges had been harsher to him he may have stayed in, he was in the grey area - not good enough to be guaranteed a place, not bad enough/panned enough that people felt sorry for him. I feel for the guy
Trumbles
24-10-2006
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“The factors why Spoony might have gone are interesting but I honestly think that more importantly he was a victim of sympathy voting, just as Mischa (to a lesser extent as her performance was less good) was last week.”

Sympathy voting and fan bases are the key things. Ola being presented as a sex-kitten probably put many women off voting for them as well (otherwise it would probably have been someone other than G, J or S).

As people are suggesting though, there's just no reason to think that a vote for eg Jan is going to result in S&O being booted off. That just isn't a reasonable thing to expect. Very few people vote for the best dancers because they know they're unlikely to influence the show that way -votes are more powerful lower down the table -and that's hard to stomach when you're paying for the call.
winenroses
25-10-2006
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“I particularly noticed that last night - if they're going to continually say that, then they can't be that surprised when stupid things like Spoony getting knocked out happen.

To be honest I almost felt the most sorry for Georgina, she looked disappointed and frankly horrified when Spoony's name was called out.”



Yes, she did, and did anyone notice that she appeared to be saying "S**t" behind her raised hand?
Dartford Dancer
25-10-2006
With the Spooney result the unpredictability for this Saturday must be seen as a "God send" to the BBC producers.

I have no favourites and have to say many of the so called "Celebs" are so unfamous that the dancers carry a bigger Celebrity factor. Another coup for the BBC perhaps?

As a result of all this, SCD 4 must be the closest fought competition yet.
The Swampster
25-10-2006
Originally Posted by Dartford Dancer:
“With the Spooney result the unpredictability for this Saturday must be seen as a "God send" to the BBC producers.

I have no favourites and have to say many of the so called "Celebs" are so unfamous that the dancers carry a bigger Celebrity factor. Another coup for the BBC perhaps?

As a result of all this, SCD 4 must be the closest fought competition yet.”

Yes - and one way to level the playing field would be to get in a completely new group of pro dancers. The 'fan club' mentality of some voters is getting in the way of the dancing.
sarah-flute
25-10-2006
Originally Posted by Dartford Dancer:
“As a result of all this, SCD 4 must be the closest fought competition yet.”

I was thinking that last night - it's so interesting that the competition is wide open, and there's even no obvious couples that "will definitely stay in", there are some almost-sures but they must all be feeling the pressure.
homecinemaguru
25-10-2006
Originally Posted by GEGGS37:
“THE PEOPLE ARE SPENDING GOOD MONEY TO VOTE...IT IS GOING TO CHILDREN IN NEED.........THEY ARE VOTING FOR WHO THEY ENJOY WATCHING DANCE.........THEY ENJOY THE PROGRAMME........IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT WATCH”

They are not voting for who they like dancing, they are voting out of sympathy in some cases. No rational person can get any pleasure out of watching Georgina dance unless they are getting off on how bad it is. Schadenfreude, isn't it called?

No need to shout! Or is your keyboard broken?

HCG
Eclipse80
25-10-2006
Originally Posted by Dartford Dancer:
“With the Spooney result the unpredictability for this Saturday must be seen as a "God send" to the BBC producers.

I have no favourites and have to say many of the so called "Celebs" are so unfamous that the dancers carry a bigger Celebrity factor. Another coup for the BBC perhaps?

As a result of all this, SCD 4 must be the closest fought competition yet.”

I agree the BBC liked the drama of Spoonys exit. I bet voting numbers are way up. But I think there are certain couples that will be safe and will not experience being in the bottom 2 if they get decent scores. Mark and Karen, Claire and Brendan, Emma and Darren. I think there are those like Carol and Matthew and Ray and Camilla that should probably be more worried if they end up in the middle of the judges scoring table. The later stages (final 6) will be very close though

I hope that Georgina goes this week. Her and James are not getting on, I don't see her doing a good dance on Saturday. At least Jan has managed a decent ballroom dance and with Anton her foxtrot should be good.
The Swampster
25-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“I hope that Georgina goes this week. Her and James are not getting on, I don't see her doing a good dance on Saturday. At least Jan has managed a decent ballroom dance and with Anton her foxtrot should be good.”

I must have missed Jan's decent ballroom dance. Was that the time she fell on her bum? I wouldn't be sorry to say goodbye to Georgina, though!
Seymour
26-10-2006
Originally Posted by The Swampster:
“Yes - and one way to level the playing field would be to get in a completely new group of pro dancers. The 'fan club' mentality of some voters is getting in the way of the dancing.”


What a good idea! Look what the fan club did last year ... we had Ballroom Bill showing us how not to dance for seven weeks and James Martin in the semi final.
Last edited by Seymour : 26-10-2006 at 08:48
Dancingles
26-10-2006
I really don't think a wholesale change of cast, in terms of the professionals is at all likely. As most of them have a following, and therefore to some extent a guaranteed audience, the BBC are highly unlikely to do that. Also, certainly on the latin side most of the top, most experienced latin dancers and trainers in the country are there, so to drop them would only lower the level or performance, both for the celebs and in terms of the prodances. I suspect they may change one or two couples each year, as they have done so far, but I am quite happy with the current crop. As long as they do not add more, because I still believe 14 was too many this time, 12 was a better number.
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