I know what you all mean, I can't warm to either Emma or Louisa. Brendan is my favourite so like him and Claire but am beginning to warm to Carol & Matt and Karen and Mark.

OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE PEOPLE GIVE THEM A CHANCE!!
I am absolutely sick to death of these slating topics, they are the best dancers on the show, why don't you like them?? Cos they're TOO good? People like you are the reason that Spoony and Ola went out.
From what I've seen its the SAME people all the time, you're not going to give them a chance are you? You didn't like them before the series started and no matter what they do you will manage somehow to complain.
I really hope Darren and Emma win, from what I've seen they deserve to!

Oh and thanks Shappy, dancingles, bewest, Tilly and anyone I've missed out!

People have given them three weeks and obviously some are still not overly keen.


This isn't a slating topic at all. It's a topic to express an opinion and just because that's a negative doesn't make it slating. No one is denying Emma's good but obviously some can't warm to her as a personality or competitor.


Because she's not the sort of personality I like. She's too girlie and a bit too needy for my liking. I don't find her that endearing and there's many people in this competition with personalities I prefer who can also dance.


Jill and Darren were almost universal loved and they were the best couple ever on the show. And they had more chemistry and personality together.


You what? What kind of logic are you basing that upon? Spoony and Ola went out because the public didn't feel inspired to vote for them for whatever reason. Personally I don't sympathy vote and won't vote for the worst person but I'm not going to part with my money if I don't care about someone and aren't bothered whether they win or not. That's how I feel about Emma and Darren.


After 3 weeks I think people's mind are going to pretty made up, wasn't the point in trying to change them?


I had no preconception about any of the contestants before the show - I'd barely seen some of them before. But, as people say, you generally make up your impression about someone within about the first 20 seconds and obviously Emma hasn't gone down wonderfully with every one for whatever reason.


From what I've seen they're not the only ones...

totally with you

How can you say they are the best dancers on the show...we've seen her dance properly twice and one time she didn't come top. She really hasn't proved that she's the best dancer yet although obviously she is very good. At the moment she is just the best dancer in your opinion.

ok who are you talkin to here

Sorry had to pop in to say that made me LOL!

Yes I'm sorry if I didn't put that in, I meant in my opinion they were the best, althought technically if you combined the judges scores they are the highest scoring, so on that level, they are the best! You are correct completely in saying that she's only danced properly twice, and the show has ran for three weeks, so how can so many people be so against her?

Plus I'm not really fighting this battle for Emma, I'm more of a Darren person, who I definitely want to win because I love him so much

I'm somewhat indifferent to Emma & Darren too (moreso Emma than Darren), possibly because she is a bit pedestrian compared to the younger & fitter Louisa. However, I'm indifferent to a lot of the female contestants this year; I've never been a fan of Carol Smiley, and people who are just too old old/unfit/just can't dance end up getting on my nerves (at series 4, the novelty has worn off).

If I have a favourite couple atm (I usually try and be as objective about the dancing as I can), it is Ray & Camilla. They will still have to be the best dancers if they are to win it though...

Brendan & Claire might be fun, but I'm beginning to worry about Claire's ability. At the moment, she just isn't very good...
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I didn't start this topic to slate anyone. Don't get so worked up just because some people don't agree with you.

Im with Katie all the way with what she said, and bewest shappy and dancingles. Yes you are all expressing your opinions, but dont you think you have done it enough on other threads???? They are working just as hard as everyone else and getting on wih it enjoying themselves at the same time, all as everyone on here keep doing is slating them in one way or another. I think its just silly how you all keep saying things about Emma but you cant deny that she is a good dancer and working hard and is listening to what Darren tells and is teaching her. Just leave them alone they are the best in the show IN MY OPINION.

DARREN AND EMMA TO WIN

Katie I can see why you got upset by some of the comments. I am sure Cat started the thread because she was wondering why she could not warm to Emma and Darren as a couple when they looked so good on paper. I have said my opinion somewhere above so won't repeat it here.

There are ground rules which I set myself in the forum, like no attacks on their personality and no name-calling. I see it as just basic manners and respect to others. Unfortunately some forum members do not share the view, and of course, they are entitled to their opinions.

But people should also understand that when they express their opinions about celebs/pros in a somewhat coarse way other forum members who support them will inevitably react in a negative way. It really does not help when this happens others then start complaining about these supporters being irrational...

So we will criticise, some of us will make unkind and unfair remarks, and some of us will react negatively. It's just the nature of the forum.

What a brilliant post, Frodora...... it should be used as a banner on every thread ! Gosh, some people get upset really easily - they need to get out more !!!

I know exactly where Cat is coming from in her opening post, and I quiite agree - I too find it hard to warm to them as a pairing.

I think Darren is a brilliant dancer, and Emma is definitely competent - but there's something about this partnership that is lacking when you compare them to other couples who seem to be having a whale of a time (eg Jan & Anton, Claire and Brendan or Mark and Karen) and a real chemistry going.

Darren and Jill sizzled after a couple of weeks (it did take them a while to do so though!) and that really came across in their dancing - and ditto with Gloria - he just doesn't seem to do that with Emma though...... In fact the sizzle point with Jill was when they did the Jive - they never really looked back after that dance. That didn't happen with Emma last week - sorry - but it really didn't

But - as well as that - the judges (and the media) are bigging Emma up with unwarranted high marks - because they had overmarked Emma's jive - they then had to overmark Louisa too - to reflect the fact that hers was better!

Emma and Darren are a good pairing - no doubt about that - but so far - they aren't far and away the best. But that sparkle just isn't there at the moment

Why do people hate Emma so much and surely it is about how they dance not who they are. Emma has doen some of the best dancing on the show and the judges agree. Unfortunately we have already seen couples go out not on merit but due to the petty allegiances of the general public.

I don't think anyone hates her, I certainly don't!!

I just "can't warm to her" but equally I'm not warming to Ray / Claire or Jan (mostly because I'd never heard of them )

The one I was interested in Watching was Mark because I knew who he was and wanted to see waht he could do!

I don't "hate" her, I just don't particularly like her, and I thought her jive, in particular was overhyped and overmarked.

Thanks Ally! I got really cross a couple of days ago about some comments regarding one particular pro but now when I look back it was totally unnecessary. People will always say what they want to say and I can't tell them to shut up and vice versa. Besides I doubt the pro in question, or anyone who is taking part in the programme, would lose any sleep over what we say here (if they do then they should see their shrink!). It is all a bit of harmless fun really.

Hate is such an extreme word that you would use for criminals and people who have done you personal and mental harm. I don't hate Emma either but then I don't love her. I am indifferent to her, she rates 5 on my scale of 1-10.

Quite a lot of the celebs rate this way with me, but some of the pro's make me laugh and so rate higher on that scale, but because I cannot get some of these partnerships, I am living in indifference land at present with it all.

OK, hate is too strong a word, buit it seems that personailty is becoming too important when it is their dancing that counts. OTOH, I think Emma is fine and is always pleasant and smiling when she dances. I can't see the problem TBH.

I don't think may (if any) posters on here have said they "hate" Emma - most have said that they can't warm to her.... a totally different thing

What I DO hate is the obvious bias the judges are showing her - even at this early stage. She made a very noticeable mistake last week, she also suffered from Arlene's favourite complaint of "horrible arms" and lost her way at least once, but wasn't marked down as much as she should have been for them- the judges overmarked her routine so much that they had nowhere to go when Louisa and Vincent burnt the floor up with their jive.

The judges should remember what happens when they lose their objectivity - their overmarked pets and unnecessarily personal and nasty comments about the poorer dancers both suffer from the viewer backlash.

Had they actually marked Zoe fairly last year in the final (ie second to Colin rather than top), she might have scored better with the publlic - Emma and Darren are in the same sort of danger - unless the judges wake up and smell the coffee...

(Incidentally - the same thing is happening with Jerry Springer on DWTS - the public keep voting to save him for the comedy value - despite repeated slatings from the judges....
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I think you've got it spot on - Emma and Darren are in real danger of a backlash later on if they continue to be perceived as overmarked. Despite what Ian said on ITT last night, that mistake was obvious and they should have been marked down, the dance also, to my untrained eyes, lacked bounce and spark.

Zoe, my firm favourite from last year, did suffer partly as a result of overmarking on some dances, mind you, her habit of clinging to Ian seemed to nark quite a few people off as well

But - as has been said numerous times on these threads - it IS a personality contest as much if not more than it is a dance contest.
If it truely was just about the dance, then would only be able to vote on a Saturday night after every couple had danced.
Tess, Bruce and Claudia wouldn't be exhorting us to vote for our favourite couple.
There would be no ITT as it is now.
Spoony and Olga would probably still be part of the contest.

People on this thread - even ones saying vote on the dancing have then stated they aren't really sticking up for Emma as such, but Darren which again just compounds the voting for the celeb you prefer arguement.

And even if it was just about the dance, personal opinion still creeps in - it can't be helped. Dance is subjective and a good dance to one person is just OK to another. While people are offered a choice, then there will be differences of opinion.

It seems that to some Emma is just trying that bit too hard to be liked. Yes, she may smile - but it's a smile with the mouth and not the eyes. That general fizz and joy that some of the others have - even some that are technically not as good as her - doesn't yet seem to be there yet and a joyous performance even with errors will always win out over a technically perfect but emotionally flatter routine.

Hear hear Mindyann,

the phrase Dance is subjective is the key, it is and therefore you cannot have a clear cut 100% fool proof way to have a winner, as it will be about peoples opinions. Winter Olympic Ice Dance is the finest example of this!!

Matt and Lilia..... I've no idea why - they just haven't :yawn: