I wouldn't vote for Georgina if you paid me - she just doesn't have a passion about her. Look how Mark has such passion for dance on the floor and is as quiet as a mouse on the sofa on ITT
Is James too hard on Georgina?
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James has done the "be nice" method. She takes advantage.
Georgina is just lazy.
She, I've been told, is a qualified solicitor, that speaks volumes.
Ever heard of a solicitor who can be "told" anything? They always want to "argue their case."
She did well in training on Monday and it looks like she wanted to give herself "the day off on Tuesday."
The sooner she gets dumped on Saturday the better, she'll have lost the "soap vote" now.
Georgina is just lazy.
She, I've been told, is a qualified solicitor, that speaks volumes.
Ever heard of a solicitor who can be "told" anything? They always want to "argue their case."
She did well in training on Monday and it looks like she wanted to give herself "the day off on Tuesday."
The sooner she gets dumped on Saturday the better, she'll have lost the "soap vote" now.
It's difficult to comment without seeing all of their footage... but I was upset by the parts they showed of James tonight. It's not a method of teaching I endorse... we don't see the other side of the story if there is one... but I don't think swearing should play a part of learning to dance... neither should the "if I yell at you and am horrible you won't want to do it wrong again so you'll get it right"... it's a violent horrible attitude that is being shown and I don't like it and it upsets me. I didn't enjoy ITT tonight mostly because of showing that. Dancing isn't about that.. neither is the learning of dance.
I would like this to be Georgina & James' last week purely because I do'nt want either of them to be left in a studio together working together when they don't seem to compliment each other at all. It takes all the enjoyment out of it... It's unusual for me to want a couple to stop dancing.. but I want them to stop dancing together before someone gets hurt even more. Georgina should be learning to love dance... and I'd never want to do it again if I was in the studio with James (from the clips they showed tonight).
Last edited by PeachUK : 25-10-2006 at 23:05
I would like this to be Georgina & James' last week purely because I do'nt want either of them to be left in a studio together working together when they don't seem to compliment each other at all. It takes all the enjoyment out of it... It's unusual for me to want a couple to stop dancing.. but I want them to stop dancing together before someone gets hurt even more. Georgina should be learning to love dance... and I'd never want to do it again if I was in the studio with James (from the clips they showed tonight).
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He's horrible - I'm amazed she takes as much as she does - yes without a doubt she is the wost dancer this series and one of the worst there has ever been but she doesn't deserve this.
Yes we all know than Brendan blew up at Fiona and Sarah but as far as I am awear (and I may be wrong) he NEVER called her fat and forced her into sit up etc adding 'it'll take more than this to get rid of that belly' - not an exact quote. Georgie is in NO way fat, lot's of young girls watch SCD and the impression this egotistical little man is sending out is that to get on girls should look like the matchstick he's married to (i'm not getting at Ola cos let's face it she is georgeous - figure of speech)
And so what is Ola was going to kiss Spoony - feeling an ickle bit insecure are we James?
I would love to see IF Georgie can improve but desperately want James out of the show, it's family entertainment - as a trainee teacher I spend my days telling children that bullying is not acceptable and then you get him saying things like that on prime time tv (and yes I am allowing for editing)
I'm just wondering if James' oversized ego and attitude is trying to make up for short comings in other areas
Rant over I can now rest easy
Yes we all know than Brendan blew up at Fiona and Sarah but as far as I am awear (and I may be wrong) he NEVER called her fat and forced her into sit up etc adding 'it'll take more than this to get rid of that belly' - not an exact quote. Georgie is in NO way fat, lot's of young girls watch SCD and the impression this egotistical little man is sending out is that to get on girls should look like the matchstick he's married to (i'm not getting at Ola cos let's face it she is georgeous - figure of speech)
And so what is Ola was going to kiss Spoony - feeling an ickle bit insecure are we James?
I would love to see IF Georgie can improve but desperately want James out of the show, it's family entertainment - as a trainee teacher I spend my days telling children that bullying is not acceptable and then you get him saying things like that on prime time tv (and yes I am allowing for editing)
I'm just wondering if James' oversized ego and attitude is trying to make up for short comings in other areas
Rant over I can now rest easy
anyone else think this maybe their route to staying longer in the competition.
voters that want her still in to torture her
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voters who want to prove James wrong that she isn't a waste of time and energy
voters that want her still in to torture her
or
voters who want to prove James wrong that she isn't a waste of time and energy
I want to put her out of her misery... and I don't want to see him again, either this series or in future. Not pleasant viewing before the watershed.... 
I thought dancing was all about enjoyment and pleasure? How on earth is Georgina going to pull herself up from that? I'm not saying she is without fault, but her confidence must be below zero at the moment. It's not surprising she's got no passion, she must be living on her nerves.
We've got one bad boy, Brendan, already, but at least he is a bad boy with a twinkle in his eye.
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I thought dancing was all about enjoyment and pleasure? How on earth is Georgina going to pull herself up from that? I'm not saying she is without fault, but her confidence must be below zero at the moment. It's not surprising she's got no passion, she must be living on her nerves.
We've got one bad boy, Brendan, already, but at least he is a bad boy with a twinkle in his eye.
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I wasn't too keen on James at first but after watching the VT last night I could only sympathise with him.
I think he is frustrated at Georgina's lack of skill, enthusiasm and talent. He probably shouldn't have spoken to her the way he did but you can imagine how much frustration must've built up over all the weeks they've been training?! (I think if I was him I'd have killed her by now). She seems to moan all the time and doesn't really give it 100%.
I hope they go this week - he probably does too!
I think he is frustrated at Georgina's lack of skill, enthusiasm and talent. He probably shouldn't have spoken to her the way he did but you can imagine how much frustration must've built up over all the weeks they've been training?! (I think if I was him I'd have killed her by now). She seems to moan all the time and doesn't really give it 100%.
I hope they go this week - he probably does too!
Originally Posted by W.Scarlett:
“The guy is vile.”
“The guy is vile.”
Hear Hear totally agree the man is obnoxious - and as previously posted - yes Brendan is a bad boy - but he does it with a certain style
It is probably a mix of the two of them, she isn't willing to commit as much as he wants, and he can't understand why she can't do it, won't do it or whatever. He has never had to work with someone who isn't a) totally committed b) obsessed with ballroom dancing and c) has absolutely no talent whatsoever.
Georgina's life or livelihood doesn't depend on this 'dancing lark' and she is obviously not in the physical condition the he expects or is necessary for what he wants from his partner. BUT would anyone be, she hasn't been taring and dancing for the last twenty years as he would normally assume with someone he works with.
I suppose this is the extreme example of what can happen when you get celebs with pros in anything competitve, it is just you don't see Colin Montgomery wrapping a five iron round his amateur partner at a pro am golf tournament.
Georgina's life or livelihood doesn't depend on this 'dancing lark' and she is obviously not in the physical condition the he expects or is necessary for what he wants from his partner. BUT would anyone be, she hasn't been taring and dancing for the last twenty years as he would normally assume with someone he works with.
I suppose this is the extreme example of what can happen when you get celebs with pros in anything competitve, it is just you don't see Colin Montgomery wrapping a five iron round his amateur partner at a pro am golf tournament.
I agree that James behaviour is out of order. There is a line to draw between trying to motivate someone and swearing on TV on a family show.
Dont read a lot into the comment someone made about Ian being hard on Denise. Not true. Denise was being lazy at that point. Read the quote from Denise on the Magic of Dance DVD. The dancers have to try to get the best from the celeb and it must be frustrating for them if their celeb is completely without any spark. Abuse is not the answer.
james should get over himself as that behaviour does not endear him to the public. Perhaps he is trying to be the next Paul Killick. people pay a small fortune to be verbally abused by PK. I have heard him in full flow when I have been in the studio where he teaches sometimes.
Dont read a lot into the comment someone made about Ian being hard on Denise. Not true. Denise was being lazy at that point. Read the quote from Denise on the Magic of Dance DVD. The dancers have to try to get the best from the celeb and it must be frustrating for them if their celeb is completely without any spark. Abuse is not the answer.
james should get over himself as that behaviour does not endear him to the public. Perhaps he is trying to be the next Paul Killick. people pay a small fortune to be verbally abused by PK. I have heard him in full flow when I have been in the studio where he teaches sometimes.
James Jordan is nothing other than a schoolyard bully!
The sheer look of terror on Georginas face tells it all, that poor girl. If James thinks that hollering abuse and totally humilitating his partner will bring the best out of them, then he should think again. He should be motivating Georgina and be making the experience an enjoyable one for her, then and only then will he see that his mentoring and teaching has paid off.
I dont know if anyone else has noticed but poor Georgina looks petrified when shes around him, that cant be a healthy environment for her to be in. If James continues in this way then i think the producers etc should step in, if it means that Georgina has to leave the show for her own sanity alone, then so be it, it would be a shame but how much more can she take from that horrible man.
Lets hope that she gets through her dance on Saturday and that the judges say something to James about his teaching methods , he wont like being the one humilated on national tv, will he.
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The sheer look of terror on Georginas face tells it all, that poor girl. If James thinks that hollering abuse and totally humilitating his partner will bring the best out of them, then he should think again. He should be motivating Georgina and be making the experience an enjoyable one for her, then and only then will he see that his mentoring and teaching has paid off.
I dont know if anyone else has noticed but poor Georgina looks petrified when shes around him, that cant be a healthy environment for her to be in. If James continues in this way then i think the producers etc should step in, if it means that Georgina has to leave the show for her own sanity alone, then so be it, it would be a shame but how much more can she take from that horrible man.
Lets hope that she gets through her dance on Saturday and that the judges say something to James about his teaching methods , he wont like being the one humilated on national tv, will he.
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this might come out in the wrong way but I think James' behaviour is keeping them in the competition because Georgina's portraying the innocent little girl who's being bullied by her dance partner and the public feel sorry for her. I think James is slightly ott with her because he swears all the time and puts her down a lot but she just looks as if she can't be bothered. She should go into that training room at least looking like she's prepared to dance and learn, if she gives it her all and still fails then ok but if she doesn't put any effort in then I find it hard to be sympathetic towards her.
Originally Posted by HANN4H:
“Even if he is justified in being tough on her to make her work harder there's still no need to be rude in doing it. I have had tough teachers in the past and it can definitely work but it looks like he takes it a little too far which just becomes demoralising.”
“Even if he is justified in being tough on her to make her work harder there's still no need to be rude in doing it. I have had tough teachers in the past and it can definitely work but it looks like he takes it a little too far which just becomes demoralising.”
I agree - after all, he's "the professional" and he simply is not acting in a professional manner.
The fact that everything was going well on monday suggests to me that Georgina turned up on tuesday morning with a bad attitude and things just deteriorated.
Originally Posted by HJS1407:
“I wasn't too keen on James at first but after watching the VT last night I could only sympathise with him.
I think he is frustrated at Georgina's lack of skill, enthusiasm and talent. He probably shouldn't have spoken to her the way he did but you can imagine how much frustration must've built up over all the weeks they've been training?! (I think if I was him I'd have killed her by now). She seems to moan all the time and doesn't really give it 100%.
I hope they go this week - he probably does too!”
“I wasn't too keen on James at first but after watching the VT last night I could only sympathise with him.
I think he is frustrated at Georgina's lack of skill, enthusiasm and talent. He probably shouldn't have spoken to her the way he did but you can imagine how much frustration must've built up over all the weeks they've been training?! (I think if I was him I'd have killed her by now). She seems to moan all the time and doesn't really give it 100%.
I hope they go this week - he probably does too!”
Thing is, he's being paid to teach her to dance to the best of her ability - not to what he thinkgs she "should" be able to do. He's the professional and he's acting like a total amateur. Yes, she'd try the patience of a saint, but that isn't the point - he's not behaving in a manner that befits his position as a professional, a teacher, and an ambassador for dancing.
[quote=libby3107]Then I think he is extremely unwise in the sort of reputation he wants to build up. To be honest he gave me the creeps right from the start when he wouldn't let Spoony and Ola finish their rumba with a kiss and his treatment of Georgina does make me think he's a control freak.[quote]
I know, that rang alarm bells for me too. Maybe he is a jealous sort of man. I definitly think Georgina took the shouting very well, I would have been in tears.
I know, that rang alarm bells for me too. Maybe he is a jealous sort of man. I definitly think Georgina took the shouting very well, I would have been in tears.
Originally Posted by HJS1407:
“I wasn't too keen on James at first but after watching the VT last night I could only sympathise with him.
I think he is frustrated at Georgina's lack of skill, enthusiasm and talent. He probably shouldn't have spoken to her the way he did but you can imagine how much frustration must've built up over all the weeks they've been training?! (I think if I was him I'd have killed her by now). She seems to moan all the time and doesn't really give it 100%.
I hope they go this week - he probably does too!”
“I wasn't too keen on James at first but after watching the VT last night I could only sympathise with him.
I think he is frustrated at Georgina's lack of skill, enthusiasm and talent. He probably shouldn't have spoken to her the way he did but you can imagine how much frustration must've built up over all the weeks they've been training?! (I think if I was him I'd have killed her by now). She seems to moan all the time and doesn't really give it 100%.
I hope they go this week - he probably does too!”
I think he`s at the end of his tether with her hence the language and nastiness. He obviously hasnt got the right temperment for teaching someone who is lazy and really can`t be bothered to put alot of effort and concentration in.
He also must be pretty peed off that his wife went out of the competition with a pretty decent partner and Georgina has been left in. She should be over the moon this week having avoided being knocked out and giving it her all.
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“He also must be pretty peed off that his wife went out of the competition with a pretty decent partner and Georgina has been left in. She should be over the moon this week having avoided being knocked out and giving it her all.”
“He also must be pretty peed off that his wife went out of the competition with a pretty decent partner and Georgina has been left in. She should be over the moon this week having avoided being knocked out and giving it her all.”
That assumes that she wants to be there, that she's enjoying herself, and that she's happy she didn't get knocked out. Personally I think all 3 of those assumptions are dead wrong: the two weeks she's been in the bottom two she has looked disappointed that the other one went out: when spoony went out she looked plain horrified. It's evident she isn't enjoying herself. She doesn't want to be there; and she feels guilty that two somewhat better dancers (one of whom, Spoony, clearly had potential) have been knocked out before her, when she clearly knows herself to be bad, and to not deserve to still be there.
Over the moon would be an achievement in that situation...
I do feel sorry for Georgina but in a very twisted way I am kind of enjoying seeing an obvious villain on the programme. I mean, if everyone was nicey nicey wouldn't that be a bit boring?
So far James's being nasty has somehow kept them in the competition. Maybe he has started to act vile for the camera?
I wonder whether he is this 'strict' with Ola when they are training...
So far James's being nasty has somehow kept them in the competition. Maybe he has started to act vile for the camera?
I wonder whether he is this 'strict' with Ola when they are training...
I really don't think they should have shown us that bust up, can't see the reason behind it, it is obvious that someone who can't tell their right leg from their left should never be in a dancing comp,or as some see it, an entertainment comp, I think Goergina and James would lose out no matter what we call it. 
I'm not keen on either of them but i really hope Georgina goes this week and is put out of her misery.
I don't think she could stand another week of 'wolverine'
I don't think she could stand another week of 'wolverine'
In my personal opinion putting Georgie and James together was bad partnering (or great partnering if the BBC were looking for a contraversial couple).
James is obviously deeply passionate about his dancing and not 100% secure in himself and Georgie is in it for a bit of fun but not dedicated to making herself a fantastic dancer (in it for the spirit of the show and why not!) it seems inevitable they are going to clash.
My dance partner and I will have big arguements on the floor very similar to what was shown on ITT but we're equals in what we're trying to achieve. My guess (and it is only a guess and personal opinion) is that James and Ola probably have a firey and determined dance relationship and he's not really adapting at all well to someone who does not feel the same way as him.
If she was his full time dance partner I'd say the clips they've shown were relatively normal (edited to make like they did nothing but argue) but she's not so give the girl a break!! He gets his chance to shine in the pro demos so he should relax with her.
What's easy to forget is dancing is a very all consuming thing and it really can turn you into a monster in persuit of perfection - though having watched their training clips I've made myself promise to shout at my partner a lot less
James is obviously deeply passionate about his dancing and not 100% secure in himself and Georgie is in it for a bit of fun but not dedicated to making herself a fantastic dancer (in it for the spirit of the show and why not!) it seems inevitable they are going to clash.
My dance partner and I will have big arguements on the floor very similar to what was shown on ITT but we're equals in what we're trying to achieve. My guess (and it is only a guess and personal opinion) is that James and Ola probably have a firey and determined dance relationship and he's not really adapting at all well to someone who does not feel the same way as him.
If she was his full time dance partner I'd say the clips they've shown were relatively normal (edited to make like they did nothing but argue) but she's not so give the girl a break!! He gets his chance to shine in the pro demos so he should relax with her.
What's easy to forget is dancing is a very all consuming thing and it really can turn you into a monster in persuit of perfection - though having watched their training clips I've made myself promise to shout at my partner a lot less
I think he's arrogant and obnoxious. He's clearly trying to make his mark and be noticed but it's really not working. It would be interesting to see how Georgina would fare with a different professional? We'll never know.
Maybe it would be a good idea to rotate the professionals so each celebrity is dancing with a different pro every week. That way you could never say a particular celebrity was lucky to have a very good teacher or vice versa, and it would also neutralize the effect of people voting for their favourite pro rather than the celebrity.
Maybe it would be a good idea to rotate the professionals so each celebrity is dancing with a different pro every week. That way you could never say a particular celebrity was lucky to have a very good teacher or vice versa, and it would also neutralize the effect of people voting for their favourite pro rather than the celebrity.
Originally Posted by libby3107:
“I actually hope that he gets voted out on Saturday and is not asked to do SCD again. You have to remember that SCD is a family show and his aggressive, controlling behaviour is entirely inappropriate and not a good role model for children.”
“I actually hope that he gets voted out on Saturday and is not asked to do SCD again. You have to remember that SCD is a family show and his aggressive, controlling behaviour is entirely inappropriate and not a good role model for children.”
Totally agree! Georgina said how much she liked this dance, and then gets it all wrecked.
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