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Brendons Frustration
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xcarlax
28-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“sorry can you elaborate I don't get the first part of your message.”

i mean that its obvious that the scoring is done pre comments if i'd have thought it through logically.
Wingpatrol
28-10-2006
What we also musn't forget is Arlene's comment when asked who should go this evening.

Her reply was not about the dancing it was something along the lines of:

Brendan because he doesn't know when to keep him mouth closed (or words to that effect). I don't think she mentioned the dance once, it was all about what had transpired earlier.

Her reply was down to his challenge not based on their dancing this evening.
HollyC
28-10-2006
I agree with what Brendan said about inconsistant marking, but I also think that Brendan and Claire are one of the weaker couples in the competition. I do think that the public vote is more inconsistant though - because the lines are already opened for voting for next weekend, I wonder how many people are voting based on how the couples have danced this weekend. I bet a lot of people are voting for the celebrities they like, rather than how they perform. It would be interesting to know the percentage of votes received during the week versus the percentage of votes received between the two Saturday night programmes (or am I being just a bit an*l!!! )
Eclipse80
28-10-2006
Originally Posted by xcarlax:
“i mean that its obvious that the scoring is done pre comments if i'd have thought it through logically.”

Yes so I doubt it was Brendan's hissy fit. What bugged the hell out of me was how could he assess Claire's performance when he was dancing with her, could he see her footwork? He was disagreeing their judgement of her though. I honestly don't think that they were any more unpredictable than they have been for the previous weeks. Arlene has been slobbering, Bruno non-sensical, Craig pointless and Len and his 5 missing paddles.
I think Brendan just wanted a bit of attention, it's not a true dance contest he knows that it's entertainment.

Len said it perfectly that's why there are 4 judges because the balance each other out.
Last edited by Eclipse80 : 28-10-2006 at 23:43
xcarlax
28-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“Yes so I doubt it was Brendan's hissy fit. I honestly don't think that they were any more unpredictable than they have been for the previous weeks. Arlene has been slobbering, Bruno non-sensical, Craig pointless and Len and his 5 missing paddles.
I think Brendan just wanted a bit of attention, it's not a true dance contest he knows that it's entertainment.

Len said it perfectly that's why there are 4 judges because the balance each other out.”

brendan is one of the few that remember what its about! entertainment!....
although i was saying ways before the results about half way through the couples that the judges seemed really odd in their comments and markings...
waterloosunset
28-10-2006
I suppose there was always favouritism, but this year it seems far worse than ever. They have basically decided that Emma is going to win the thing. No harm to the lassie, but I don't think she's really all that much better than a good few other contestants out there. And I agree, if they are all judging the same way, there should not be these enormous swings in votes between one judge and the other. It's almost become a bit of a "good cop bad cop" act instead of objective opinions.
palmtree
28-10-2006
Everything Brendan said was completely true, and i totally agree with him. My mum and I were just discussing before he said how weird the judges were being this series. Being soo personal and being totally inconsistent. I can understand if they gave a 2 and 5 because they are both low marks but a 5 and an 8. Even though they have different opinions that is just wrong, 5 is saying the routine was rubbish but 8 is saying its on the verge of nearing perfect! He was only repeating what everyone was thinking!
Eclipse80
28-10-2006
Originally Posted by xcarlax:
“brendan is one of the few that remember what its about! entertainment!....
although i was saying ways before the results about half way through the couples that the judges seemed really odd in their comments and markings...”

Fair enough, I personally think they have been the same or as bad the whole series so far but their joint scores and ranking are pretty accurate and it's the scores that are important.
I find it strange he can disagree about his own dance when they have a better view, it makes me wonder about his whole judgement.
xcarlax
28-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“Fair enough, I personally think they have been the same or as bad the whole series so far but their joint scores and ranking are pretty accurate and it's the scores that are important.
I find it strange he can disagree about his own dance when they have a better view, it makes me wonder about his whole judgement.”

i think he was disagreeing more from a teachers point of view because hes seen her all week in training and is obviously biased. I think he was just trying to stick up for his partner.
Eclipse80
28-10-2006
Originally Posted by xcarlax:
“i think he was disagreeing more from a teachers point of view because hes seen her all week in training and is obviously biased. I think he was just trying to stick up for his partner.”

that's where the problem is, the judges aren't scoring rehearsal. It's like he was just waiting to jump on the judges if they were about to say something negative to Claire regardless of her performance. He in fact had his own prejudice. He even admitted he was disappointed with Claire last week so she obviously does a lot better in rehearsal than the live performance.
It is difficult for a teacher to be objective in these situations.
yohinnchild
28-10-2006
I' sure the scores were given after the argument - otherwise why the big gap between them commenting and us seeing the scores and all the padding with tess.

Agree with Brendan - he is right and good on him for saying it
Cat123
28-10-2006
Don't forget Brendan was a judge on the NZ version. He knows what he's talking about.
xcarlax
28-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“that's where the problem is, the judges aren't scoring rehearsal. It's like he was just waiting to jump on the judges if they were about to say something negative to Claire regardless of her performance. He in fact had his own prejudice. He even admitted he was disappointed with Claire last week so she obviously did a lot better in rehearsal than the live performance.”

true but i think they're all entitled to stick up for their partners on live night no matter how good or bad they were, after all its in their perogative to win votes. Plus they must get teribly protective.
but i understand and i know the pros probably do that it is the performance on the night that is judged.
palmtree
29-10-2006
But he wasnt just saying what he said because he was upset with their comments. He was saying what everyone was thinking, there seemed to be an agreement backstage from the other pros and celebs. He was sticking up from all of them.
Traffic1326
29-10-2006
I think Graig is better this year then last year . Now he is "pleased " with some dances but gives too low scores ( what the *** is a 2??? after one week working??)
But his comment is nicer then last year.

Arlene is crap........... nanny is in love with boytoy and scored 8-9


And Brendan ....... ( which I don`t like) is right!!!


Judges...................
Stick to a fair comment and fair votes !!
Last edited by Traffic1326 : 29-10-2006 at 00:05
Eclipse80
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by Cat123:
“Don't forget Brendan was a judge on the NZ version. He knows what he's talking about.”

That's when he has a good view of the dance
I'd like a poll of who thought Ray and Camilla were the best Paso. I am sure that it would not be unanimous but probably in favour of Mark and Karen.
Last edited by Eclipse80 : 29-10-2006 at 00:06
Cat123
29-10-2006
I love Craig. But I was p*ssed at the 2. Erin's far to fabulous to leave yet! I would have had to hunt him down and inflict pain of they'd left.
Eclipse80
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by xcarlax:
“true but i think they're all entitled to stick up for their partners on live night no matter how good or bad they were, after all its in their perogative to win votes. Plus they must get teribly protective.
but i understand and i know the pros probably do that it is the performance on the night that is judged.”

So he wasn't talking about her performance but just being prejudiced.....ok!
xcarlax
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“That's when he has a good viewpoint.
I'd like a poll of who thought Ray and Camilla were the best Paso. I am sure that it would not be unanimous but probably in favour of Mark and Karen.”

i agree that mark and karens was better in general but i think the pros were just impressed with how well seemed to do with the cape as they now the difficulty of it.
xcarlax
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“So he wasn't talking about her performance but just being prejudiced.....ok! ”

a bit of both i think....because when your in a dance you can kind of get a gist to how well it is going....
Traffic1326
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“That's when he has a good view of the dance
I'd like a poll of who thought Ray and Camilla were the best Paso. I am sure that it would not be unanimous but probably in favour of Mark and Karen.”


Mark -Karen 9
Ray-Camilla 8,5

yrs sinc
Eclipse80
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by xcarlax:
“a bit of both i think....because when your in a dance you can kind of get a gist to how well it is going....”

Yes that is my biggest problem, he has taken his biased judgement as the complete truth. I can get standing up for the celeb as he did last year but honestly his opinion would have been just as prejudiced or moreso than the judges.
Probably led by fear of being in the bottom 3 again.
Eclipse80
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by Traffic1326:
“Mark -Karen 9
Ray-Camilla 8,5

yrs sinc”

LOL whats that?
xcarlax
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by Eclipse80:
“Yes that is my biggest problem, he has taken his biased judgement as the complete truth. I can get standing up for the celeb as he did last year but honestly his opinion would have been just as prejudiced or moreso than the judges.
Probably led by fear of being in teh bottom 3 again.”

i think each and every pro would do exactly the same....
plus they are allowed to be prejudice its the judges job to be inpartial!
sarah-flute
29-10-2006
Originally Posted by ian's no 1 fan:
“I think its fairly safe to say that the judges have their favourites from the word go (Emma,Mark,Louisa) so even if they trip,fall,etc they would still give a 8 or 9”

Not sure how Mark got included in that list - till this week's Paso, he'd only got one 9, and has not tripped, fallen, or otherwise made a complete dooberry of himself - or if he did, I haven't heard about it yet.......
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