Are you really going to be that pedantic and point our punctuation; I understood it perfectly! And I think you are missing the point! There are a lot of Emma and Darren fans around and i think many people are underestimating how popular they are! They are fantastic dancers together and are doing so well! Perhaps they won't win, perhaps they will! I don't think its possible to tell at this stage! But they deserve support and I think this whole anti-Emma and Darren thing is riduclous and SO unjustified!
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Originally Posted by princess_katy:
“Are you really going to be that pedantic and point our punctuation; I understood it perfectly! And I think you are missing the point! There are a lot of Emma and Darren fans around and i think many people are underestimating how popular they are! They are fantastic dancers together and are doing so well! Perhaps they won't win, perhaps they will! I don't think its possible to tell at this stage! But they deserve support and I think this whole anti-Emma and Darren thing is riduclous and SO unjustified!”
“Are you really going to be that pedantic and point our punctuation; I understood it perfectly! And I think you are missing the point! There are a lot of Emma and Darren fans around and i think many people are underestimating how popular they are! They are fantastic dancers together and are doing so well! Perhaps they won't win, perhaps they will! I don't think its possible to tell at this stage! But they deserve support and I think this whole anti-Emma and Darren thing is riduclous and SO unjustified!”
Totally agree with that and I can't actually add anything else; purely because you said everything I wanted to say. Commenting on punctuation is just gettin petty.
Originally Posted by princess_katy:
“Are you really going to be that pedantic and point our punctuation; I understood it perfectly! And I think you are missing the point! There are a lot of Emma and Darren fans around and i think many people are underestimating how popular they are! They are fantastic dancers together and are doing so well! Perhaps they won't win, perhaps they will! I don't think its possible to tell at this stage! But they deserve support and I think this whole anti-Emma and Darren thing is riduclous and SO unjustified!”
“Are you really going to be that pedantic and point our punctuation; I understood it perfectly! And I think you are missing the point! There are a lot of Emma and Darren fans around and i think many people are underestimating how popular they are! They are fantastic dancers together and are doing so well! Perhaps they won't win, perhaps they will! I don't think its possible to tell at this stage! But they deserve support and I think this whole anti-Emma and Darren thing is riduclous and SO unjustified!”
Thank you, and if it bothers people that much I will remember punctuation!!!!
Originally Posted by olivej:
“how can you say that when jan and anton who were bottom of the leader board and got saved by the public vote and spoony and ola who were middle of the board got knocked out i dont think you can say mark and karen are leading the public vote at all i dont think we can clearly say for sure who is leading the public vote i think it changes constantly it could be emma and darren it could be vincent and louisa it could be matt and lilia who knows”
“how can you say that when jan and anton who were bottom of the leader board and got saved by the public vote and spoony and ola who were middle of the board got knocked out i dont think you can say mark and karen are leading the public vote at all i dont think we can clearly say for sure who is leading the public vote i think it changes constantly it could be emma and darren it could be vincent and louisa it could be matt and lilia who knows”
The week Spoony went out, he was doing very poorly on the SCD poll, so I thought it might be a good indicator as to who is popular and who is not. Karen and Mark are top of that poll, and by a country mile, which indicates the "public" may like them. Plus, the public tend to like the whole "hunky sportsman does well" angle.
I'm not dismissing Emma and Darren's chanes, I would be extremely pleased if they won, but I think it's always hard for those couples that initially score highly with the judges (like Zoe and Ian last year) to then go and take the crown. This is just my opinion.
Yes, but Zoe and Ian got to the final, didnt they?
You cant just base your opinions on how people did last year, and their percentages. Its about this year, and how they dance on the night.... If darren and Emma do brilliantly, then they deserve to come top. Im sorry if you disagree, but thats my opinion.
And yes, i know Darren didnt have a capital letter, seeing as we are all concentrating on petty punctuation!!
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You cant just base your opinions on how people did last year, and their percentages. Its about this year, and how they dance on the night.... If darren and Emma do brilliantly, then they deserve to come top. Im sorry if you disagree, but thats my opinion.
And yes, i know Darren didnt have a capital letter, seeing as we are all concentrating on petty punctuation!!
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Originally Posted by jenna_belle:
“Yes, but Zoe and Ian got to the final, didnt they?
You cant just base your opinions on how people did last year, and their percentages. Its about this year, and how they dance on the night.... If darren and Emma do brilliantly, then they deserve to come top. Im sorry if you disagree, but thats my opinion.
And yes, i know Darren didnt have a capital letter, seeing as we are all concentrating on petty punctuation!!
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“Yes, but Zoe and Ian got to the final, didnt they?
You cant just base your opinions on how people did last year, and their percentages. Its about this year, and how they dance on the night.... If darren and Emma do brilliantly, then they deserve to come top. Im sorry if you disagree, but thats my opinion.
And yes, i know Darren didnt have a capital letter, seeing as we are all concentrating on petty punctuation!!
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I think the problem is though that people can see a pattern forming from last year through this year - that is that to keep the couples seen as the better dancers in the competition then they are being marked a little high, to keep them at the top of the leader board. The trouble is, it works to a point - but as soon as the couples (and so the corresponding points) drop and the viewer vote impacts more on the top couples then they are vunerable. Zoe last year, if I remember right, was in the bottom 2 just about as soon as it was feasible (I know that mathematically you could be in the bottom 2 from week one even topping the leader board, but that would be amazing!).
I agree totally that if Emma and Darren dance the best on the night, they should top the board - no question but conversely if they don't then they shouldn't. The judges should just mark what they see as opposed to what they want to see, let the couples find their own level and then leave the rest to the viewers.
Originally Posted by olivej:
“Thank you, and if it bothers people that much I will remember punctuation!!!!”
“Thank you, and if it bothers people that much I will remember punctuation!!!!”
Just my two cents - people are more likely to both understand you and take you seriously if your posts are reasonably well punctuated and easy to read. It may not be fair, but it is true. It's also (IMO) just a courtesy to try and post in a way that's easy for others to read. So while I realise that not everyone's bothered, and I'm not suggesting by any means we should all become grammar pedants, I do think it's wise to try and post reasonably clearly, run on sentences with no punctuation are harder to make sense of. After all, capital letters/punctuation etc are used for a reason!
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“I agree totally that if Emma and Darren dance the best on the night, they should top the board - no question but conversely if they don't then they shouldn't.”
“I agree totally that if Emma and Darren dance the best on the night, they should top the board - no question but conversely if they don't then they shouldn't.”
Very well put, mindyann
Originally Posted by jenna_belle:
“Yes, but Zoe and Ian got to the final, didnt they?”
“Yes, but Zoe and Ian got to the final, didnt they?”
Yes, they did, but I was talking about chances of winning, not just getting to the final, and Zoe and Ian didn't win.
Originally Posted by jenna_belle:
“If darren and Emma do brilliantly, then they deserve to come top. Im sorry if you disagree, but thats my opinion.”
“If darren and Emma do brilliantly, then they deserve to come top. Im sorry if you disagree, but thats my opinion.”
Why do you think I would disagree? Emma and Darren are one of my fave couples this year, as is amply demonstrated by the numreous posts I have made supporting them, on this thread and others.
My original point wasn't that they don't deserve to win, it was that I think Karen and Mark are likely to win because I personally think (based only on the evidence of the poll, this forum, and the size of cheers they get on the Saturday SCD shows) they have the most public support. I could be very wrong, and my system of judging public support could be very flawed, but I have never suggested my belief is anything other than my opinion.
I have not made a single post saying the judges are biased towards Emma, or that she doesn't deserve the scores she has got, or that I can't warm to her - I am an Emma supporter!
I have to say just as an opinion, I don't think you can compare couples from last year to this years contestsants. I don't think there is a 'Zoe' this year, as all of the ladies are fabulous in their own way. There are so many at the top its too hard to judge. As it has said before anyone can win.
I know what you mean Shappy, I just hope that proves to the Anti-Emma group that she's not the only popular one of the competition, and Mark is in the same position.
I know what you mean Shappy, I just hope that proves to the Anti-Emma group that she's not the only popular one of the competition, and Mark is in the same position.
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“Just my two cents - people are more likely to both understand you and take you seriously if your posts are reasonably well punctuated and easy to read. It may not be fair, but it is true. It's also (IMO) just a courtesy to try and post in a way that's easy for others to read. So while I realise that not everyone's bothered, and I'm not suggesting by any means we should all become grammar pedants, I do think it's wise to try and post reasonably clearly, run on sentences with no punctuation are harder to make sense of. After all, capital letters/punctuation etc are used for a reason!”
“Just my two cents - people are more likely to both understand you and take you seriously if your posts are reasonably well punctuated and easy to read. It may not be fair, but it is true. It's also (IMO) just a courtesy to try and post in a way that's easy for others to read. So while I realise that not everyone's bothered, and I'm not suggesting by any means we should all become grammar pedants, I do think it's wise to try and post reasonably clearly, run on sentences with no punctuation are harder to make sense of. After all, capital letters/punctuation etc are used for a reason!
”
Exactly my opinion on the subject. It doesn't mean we all have to become grammar pedants but it is usually appreciated if people make the effort to use basic punctuation in their posts purely because it makes their opinions easier to read!
But on the thread topic, I don't think that Emma and Darren are streets ahead by any means; she is a good dancer but in my opinion Louisa often equals her. And it's far too early to say that they whether they will win or not, it really all depends on whether Emma progresses over the coming weeks and whether she continues to entertain the public.
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“Just my two cents - people are more likely to both understand you and take you seriously if your posts are reasonably well punctuated and easy to read. It may not be fair, but it is true. It's also (IMO) just a courtesy to try and post in a way that's easy for others to read. So while I realise that not everyone's bothered, and I'm not suggesting by any means we should all become grammar pedants, I do think it's wise to try and post reasonably clearly, run on sentences with no punctuation are harder to make sense of. After all, capital letters/punctuation etc are used for a reason!”
“Just my two cents - people are more likely to both understand you and take you seriously if your posts are reasonably well punctuated and easy to read. It may not be fair, but it is true. It's also (IMO) just a courtesy to try and post in a way that's easy for others to read. So while I realise that not everyone's bothered, and I'm not suggesting by any means we should all become grammar pedants, I do think it's wise to try and post reasonably clearly, run on sentences with no punctuation are harder to make sense of. After all, capital letters/punctuation etc are used for a reason!
”
People will only take my post seriously if I use the correct punctuation??
Never heard such a pile of waffle in my life!
Originally Posted by olivej:
“People will only take my post seriously if I use the correct punctuation??
Never heard such a pile of waffle in my life!”
“People will only take my post seriously if I use the correct punctuation??
Never heard such a pile of waffle in my life!”
I have to say that does sound a bit sad. Ok its nice to use punctuaion but we're not all correct all the time, no one is perfect.
Last year Zoe was really the only female that stood out, yes you had Patsy Palmer, but she was quite hit and miss. This meant that Zoe was more of a target, this year you have Louisa, Emma and coming up on the inside rail Carol.
They are fairly similar in current dance ability IMO, having had good weeks and not so good weeks. Therefore throuble will only disturb any of these celebs if the do not improve, or others improve faster.
They are fairly similar in current dance ability IMO, having had good weeks and not so good weeks. Therefore throuble will only disturb any of these celebs if the do not improve, or others improve faster.
I really am liking Carol and Matthew a lot, I love Emma and Darren, Matt and Lilia and Carol and Matthew i want them in the final 
Originally Posted by olivej:
“People will only take my post seriously if I use the correct punctuation??”
“People will only take my post seriously if I use the correct punctuation??”
No, I said you were _more likely_ to be taken seriously if you make some effort to punctuate/spell/user grammar correctly: and it's true. Some people won't be bothered in the slightest - others will not bother to read posts which have no punctuation or capital letters/user lots of text speak etc. Still others will read them but assume (often wrongly) that the poster is not that bright. It may not be fair, but it happens. At least one person had trouble understanding the post up there ^ that brought up the grammar issue.
It also makes it _far_ easier to read your posts. Clearly, you _can_ punctuate & use capitals. And it makes your posts a heck of a lot easier to read/make sense of. So why not?
postin like this n speling rong doesnt giv a gd impretion n u cant blame peple if they dont bovver2 read it
And yes I know I'm exagerating - but some people do post like that and it's just a headache to read - I often just don't bother to read posts if people consistently type that way.
Just my two cents. Feel free to ignore it. It wasn't intended in any way to be getting at you, and if it came across that way, I apologise - I'm sorry.
I feel it's only courtesy to try and post in a way that people can easily read and understand, and it will usually give a better impression (it'd be unlikely for someone to fill in a job application like that, for example, wouldn't it); but that's my opinion and I'm not in a position to force you to even if I wanted to.
Nikie: like I said in my post, I wasn't suggesting we are (or even should be) perfectly grammatical all the time, or that we should all become hopelessly pedantic. But it's nice if people make the effort to make sure their posts make sense/are understandable etc. Just IMO.
Anyway I'll be interested to see how Emma gets on this evening. It could be make or break time, either proving her critics wrong or... not...
Last edited by sarah-flute : 04-11-2006 at 16:42
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“No, I said you were _more likely_ to be taken seriously if you make some effort to punctuate/spell/user grammar correctly: and it's true. Some people won't be bothered in the slightest - others will not bother to read posts which have no punctuation or capital letters/user lots of text speak etc. Still others will read them but assume that the poster is not that bright. It may not be fair, but it happens. At least one person had trouble understanding the post up there ^ that brought up the grammar issue.
It also makes it _far_ easier to read your posts. Clearly, you can spell/punctuate/use capitals. So why not?
postin like this n speling rong doesnt giv a gd impretion n u cant blame peple if they dont bovver2 read it
And yes I know I'm exagerating - but some people do post like that and it's just a headache to read - I often just don't bother to read posts if people consistently type that way.
Just my two cents. Feel free to ignore it. It wasn't intended in any way to be getting at you; I just feel it's only courtesy to try and post in a way that people can easily read and understand, and it will certainly give a better impression.
Nikie: like I said in my post, I wasn't suggesting we are (or even should be) perfectly grammatical all the time, or that we should all become hopelessly pedantic. But it's nice if people make the effort to make sure their posts make sense/are understandable etc.
Anyway I'll be interested to see how Emma gets on this evening. It could be make or break time, either proving her critics wrong or... not...”
“No, I said you were _more likely_ to be taken seriously if you make some effort to punctuate/spell/user grammar correctly: and it's true. Some people won't be bothered in the slightest - others will not bother to read posts which have no punctuation or capital letters/user lots of text speak etc. Still others will read them but assume that the poster is not that bright. It may not be fair, but it happens. At least one person had trouble understanding the post up there ^ that brought up the grammar issue.
It also makes it _far_ easier to read your posts. Clearly, you can spell/punctuate/use capitals. So why not?
postin like this n speling rong doesnt giv a gd impretion n u cant blame peple if they dont bovver2 read it
And yes I know I'm exagerating - but some people do post like that and it's just a headache to read - I often just don't bother to read posts if people consistently type that way.
Just my two cents. Feel free to ignore it. It wasn't intended in any way to be getting at you; I just feel it's only courtesy to try and post in a way that people can easily read and understand, and it will certainly give a better impression.
Nikie: like I said in my post, I wasn't suggesting we are (or even should be) perfectly grammatical all the time, or that we should all become hopelessly pedantic. But it's nice if people make the effort to make sure their posts make sense/are understandable etc.
Anyway I'll be interested to see how Emma gets on this evening. It could be make or break time, either proving her critics wrong or... not...”
Sarah, unsurprisingly, I agree with you. In a lot of cases, it's sheer laziness not to use correct grammar (and the upper and lower case keys). I know not everyone is a great speller (I don't have this problem - I was always good at it
), but there really isn't a good excuse not to try to make posts more readable and 'reader-friendly' (and the DS rules actually state that 'text-speak' shouldn't be used!). Like Sarah, though, I'm not here to try to bully anyone or insist on it being used; just - I take great pride in making sure my posts (to this and other forums) are readable and as grammatically correct as I can make them. Surely making them so makes the poster look more articulate and intelligent (and I'm not trying to insinuate here that anyone who doesn't bother isn't either of those things!).
But - each to their own, I guess. It's just sad - it exaggerates the demise of the English language and English is a beautiful language which we should all be proud of. (Of course I realise that not everyone is going to feel this way about it. I happen to love it because I'm a writer and I utilise it a lot!).
And, on the subject of the thread (sort of!) - are we looking forward to tonight??
[/quote]But - each to their own, I guess. It's just sad - it exaggerates the demise of the English language and English is a beautiful language which we should all be proud of. (Of course I realise that not everyone is going to feel this way about it. I happen to love it because I'm a writer and I utilise it a lot!). [/quote]
OT but I agree with you there. I was doing supply in a secondary school class and they wrote like how they would text which is how I think our language may end up which is a shame.
[/quote]And, on the subject of the thread (sort of!) - are we looking forward to tonight??[/quote]
*Raises Hand*
I don't think there's anyone who's going to be completely awful so it will be interesting to see what happens.
[/quote]OT but I agree with you there. I was doing supply in a secondary school class and they wrote like how they would text which is how I think our language may end up which is a shame.
[/quote]And, on the subject of the thread (sort of!) - are we looking forward to tonight??[/quote]
*Raises Hand*
I don't think there's anyone who's going to be completely awful so it will be interesting to see what happens.
Originally Posted by Tilly W:
“I really am liking Carol and Matthew a lot, I love Emma and Darren, Matt and Lilia and Carol and Matthew i want them in the final”
“I really am liking Carol and Matthew a lot, I love Emma and Darren, Matt and Lilia and Carol and Matthew i want them in the final
”
I love watching Carol and Matthew and would like to see them in the final. The other two couples I would like to see are Karen and Mark and Ray and Camilla.
Weren't they fanatastic! Just posting this to prove that they are not in trouble at all, us Emma fans will stick by her.
I sincerely hope they are not in trouble tonight! That was a beautiful viennese waltz,and yet again Darren is complimented on his choreography!
Originally Posted by bewest:
“I sincerely hope they are not in trouble tonight! That was a beautiful viennese waltz,and yet again Darren is complimented on his choreography!”
“I sincerely hope they are not in trouble tonight! That was a beautiful viennese waltz,and yet again Darren is complimented on his choreography!”
His chorerography was amazing! I loved it! I loved the song choice aswell! It was beautiful! Us Emma and Darren fans will stick by her, definitely!
Brilliant tonight, don't we think?
I just hope they get through!
But, even then, us Emma fans are no doubt in for some rocky times on this forum due to the endless criticism that is bound to be thrown at Emma as we get closer to the release of her single, and then her album the first week in December.
I just hope they get through!
But, even then, us Emma fans are no doubt in for some rocky times on this forum due to the endless criticism that is bound to be thrown at Emma as we get closer to the release of her single, and then her album the first week in December.
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