swonky! YES! more stuff to buy, i would buy all of it!
Points of Issue SCD and ITT Please READ!!!
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Just to add my three pen'orth to everything already said. The judges had most defintely lost the plot big time on Saturday night. I absolutley love this programme and have watched and taped everyone right from series one - but the behaviour on Saturday has put me off considerably.
The innuendos are admittedly part of the make up of the show (saucy postcard etc) and harmless, but Arlenes positive drooling over certain male celebs is distasteful rather than funny - she comes across as v desperate.
The obvious favouritism for the "chosen few" also has to stop - the discussion of the fact that "little"louisa votes for Emma - please!!!! and to suggest that Claire and Brendan go home because (shock horror) he challenged the Judges - that really is totally out of hand as was Arlenes comments about Brendan on love island - unecessary.
Rant over - placate me by bringing James Martin into the ITT studio.
The innuendos are admittedly part of the make up of the show (saucy postcard etc) and harmless, but Arlenes positive drooling over certain male celebs is distasteful rather than funny - she comes across as v desperate.
The obvious favouritism for the "chosen few" also has to stop - the discussion of the fact that "little"louisa votes for Emma - please!!!! and to suggest that Claire and Brendan go home because (shock horror) he challenged the Judges - that really is totally out of hand as was Arlenes comments about Brendan on love island - unecessary.
Rant over - placate me by bringing James Martin into the ITT studio.
[quote=Tango Trish]Just to add my three pen'orth to everything already said. The judges had most defintely lost the plot big time on Saturday night. I absolutley love this programme and have watched and taped everyone right from series one - but the behaviour on Saturday has put me off considerably.
The innuendos are admittedly part of the make up of the show (saucy postcard etc) and harmless, but Arlenes positive drooling over certain male celebs is distasteful rather than funny - she comes across as v desperate.
The obvious favouritism for the "chosen few" also has to stop - the discussion of the fact that "little"louisa votes for Emma - please!!!! and to suggest that Claire and Brendan go home because (shock horror) he challenged the Judges - that really is totally out of hand as was Arlenes comments about Brendan on love island - unecessary.
Rant over - placate me by bringing James Martin into the ITT studio.[/
I just hope someone is reading this!! albeit this at least is making our views know!! im going to send the comments tommorow to the bbc directly!!
The innuendos are admittedly part of the make up of the show (saucy postcard etc) and harmless, but Arlenes positive drooling over certain male celebs is distasteful rather than funny - she comes across as v desperate.
The obvious favouritism for the "chosen few" also has to stop - the discussion of the fact that "little"louisa votes for Emma - please!!!! and to suggest that Claire and Brendan go home because (shock horror) he challenged the Judges - that really is totally out of hand as was Arlenes comments about Brendan on love island - unecessary.
Rant over - placate me by bringing James Martin into the ITT studio.[/
I just hope someone is reading this!! albeit this at least is making our views know!! im going to send the comments tommorow to the bbc directly!!
btw imno mary whitehouse either im 26! and its just arlene being what 100 makinglewd comments to mark who clearly cant even look at her as pretty uncomfortable to watch
I really wish they would sort out the camera angles and swooping shots. It's been a problem from the very beginning, but I remember in the 1st series they filmed one episode in the Blackpool Tower ballroom and I noticed that there was a marked improvement in that episode. Maybe that's the answer - send them all to Blackpool!
The main point of Brendan's I agree with was that there should be some minimum standards technically. It doesn't matter if you do a very good performance or you look nice, if you're technically incorrect then you shouldn't be able to score more than say a 6.
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“The main point of Brendan's I agree with was that there should be some minimum standards technically. It doesn't matter if you do a very good performance or you look nice, if you're technically incorrect then you shouldn't be able to score more than say a 6.”
“The main point of Brendan's I agree with was that there should be some minimum standards technically. It doesn't matter if you do a very good performance or you look nice, if you're technically incorrect then you shouldn't be able to score more than say a 6.”
thats the point!! technique is the SAME!!!! and should be scored the same! the passion and attractiveness is important but if someone doesnt do the technique they dont deserve a top score!!
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“The main point of Brendan's I agree with was that there should be some minimum standards technically. It doesn't matter if you do a very good performance or you look nice, if you're technically incorrect then you shouldn't be able to score more than say a 6.”
“The main point of Brendan's I agree with was that there should be some minimum standards technically. It doesn't matter if you do a very good performance or you look nice, if you're technically incorrect then you shouldn't be able to score more than say a 6.”
Hear, Hear. Performance is a massive part of a ballroom dance routine - all the professionals know that - but it ain't ballroom dancing without the steps and rules of the dance.
Last edited by gritty : 30-10-2006 at 20:52
Originally Posted by gritty:
“Hear, Hear - but I would make the mark 50/50 between technical and performance. So a wonderful performance with bad technique would score 5/1 = 6. And all the variations in-between.”
“Hear, Hear - but I would make the mark 50/50 between technical and performance. So a wonderful performance with bad technique would score 5/1 = 6. And all the variations in-between.”
thats a great idea!!
Originally Posted by musicangel:
“thats the point!! technique is the SAME!!!! and should be scored the same! the passion and attractiveness is important but if someone doesnt do the technique they dont deserve a top score!!”
“thats the point!! technique is the SAME!!!! and should be scored the same! the passion and attractiveness is important but if someone doesnt do the technique they dont deserve a top score!!”
this is true... teqnique is not pretty much objectives were as performance is a lot more subjective. If someone does wrong footwork pretty much all the way through it does NOT deserve an 8
Originally Posted by Jocko Homo:
“this is true... teqnique is not pretty much objectives were as performance is a lot more subjective. If someone does wrong footwork pretty much all the way through it does NOT deserve an 8”
“this is true... teqnique is not pretty much objectives were as performance is a lot more subjective. If someone does wrong footwork pretty much all the way through it does NOT deserve an 8”
Which is why i was annoyed at lousias and emmas marks!! and claire who did heel leads got a four!!
Originally Posted by musicangel:
“Which is why i was annoyed at lousias and emmas marks!! and claire who did heel leads got a four!!”
“Which is why i was annoyed at lousias and emmas marks!! and claire who did heel leads got a four!!”
I'll second that. I'm not a dancer and knew next to nothing about it before SCD started. But even I, in my still largely ignorant state, find it exasperating that a dancer who at least does the basics properly gets poorer marks than someone who simply looks good.
I expect the public to vote in whatever way they fancy. I expect the judges to be able judge the technique. If they don't (or can't I am increasingly beginning to think) it may still be entertainment, but it isn't a proper competition - and that devalues it for me.
Nick
Please also remind judges that marking a dance highly because you like the choreography is not fair, as that is the work of the professional and nothing to do with the celebrity - especially if they can't do the choreography correctly.
Most importantly, the bias from the judges towards and also against some couples has to stop. It is ruining a brilliant show! To reduce bias, judges marks need to be more grounded in ballroom technique.
Most importantly, the bias from the judges towards and also against some couples has to stop. It is ruining a brilliant show! To reduce bias, judges marks need to be more grounded in ballroom technique.
Originally Posted by Erinfan:
“Please also remind judges that marking a dance highly because you like the choreography is not fair, as that is the work of the professional and nothing to do with the celebrity - especially if they can't do the choreography correctly.
Most importantly, the bias from the judges towards and also against some couples has to stop. It is ruining a brilliant show! To reduce bias, judges marks need to be more grounded in ballroom technique.”
“Please also remind judges that marking a dance highly because you like the choreography is not fair, as that is the work of the professional and nothing to do with the celebrity - especially if they can't do the choreography correctly.
Most importantly, the bias from the judges towards and also against some couples has to stop. It is ruining a brilliant show! To reduce bias, judges marks need to be more grounded in ballroom technique.”
Just wanted to totally agree with you - its driving me mad.
Originally Posted by nw2394:
“I'll second that. I'm not a dancer and knew next to nothing about it before SCD started. But even I, in my still largely ignorant state, find it exasperating that a dancer who at least does the basics properly gets poorer marks than someone who simply looks good.
I expect the public to vote in whatever way they fancy. I expect the judges to be able judge the technique. If they don't (or can't I am increasingly beginning to think) it may still be entertainment, but it isn't a proper competition - and that devalues it for me.
Nick”
“I'll second that. I'm not a dancer and knew next to nothing about it before SCD started. But even I, in my still largely ignorant state, find it exasperating that a dancer who at least does the basics properly gets poorer marks than someone who simply looks good.
I expect the public to vote in whatever way they fancy. I expect the judges to be able judge the technique. If they don't (or can't I am increasingly beginning to think) it may still be entertainment, but it isn't a proper competition - and that devalues it for me.
Nick”
Gosh, this whole judges debate has eventually arrived where I said it would last series. You've hit the nail on the head as to why.
Originally Posted by nw2394:
“I'll second that. I'm not a dancer and knew next to nothing about it before SCD started. But even I, in my still largely ignorant state, find it exasperating that a dancer who at least does the basics properly gets poorer marks than someone who simply looks good.
I expect the public to vote in whatever way they fancy. I expect the judges to be able judge the technique. If they don't (or can't I am increasingly beginning to think) it may still be entertainment, but it isn't a proper competition - and that devalues it for me.
Nick”
“I'll second that. I'm not a dancer and knew next to nothing about it before SCD started. But even I, in my still largely ignorant state, find it exasperating that a dancer who at least does the basics properly gets poorer marks than someone who simply looks good.
I expect the public to vote in whatever way they fancy. I expect the judges to be able judge the technique. If they don't (or can't I am increasingly beginning to think) it may still be entertainment, but it isn't a proper competition - and that devalues it for me.
Nick”
But i think that there has to be some basis for technique, otherwise whats the point!??? fair enough performance, should get a mark or two! but first 5 or six should be down to footwork, posture and hands, and neck
Seeing as this is not even a BBC board and has only been sort of adopted by Claudia's production team on ITT, I think it is highly unlikely that anyone with any real say in how the programme is made regards us as anything other than a bunch of internet weirdos who are ardent fans of SCD. You only have to look at the faces of the professionals on ITT when they read out any of our comments. Some are shocked and stunned, some can't stop laughing and some probably think that the internet is a breeding ground for saddos, loonies and axe-murderers.
Yup, they've taken complimentary quotes off here* and used them in the programme, but really, come on - to think that we have anything remotely like a voice in the production of the programme is, well, a bit deluded, I think.
IF the ratings go down and IF the amount of money they make on the phone calls is substantially less than in previous series, THEN the powers that be might start looking round at ways to improve it and recapture the old excitement. Or they might just axe it. Mind you, they've sold this programme format to other countries all around the world and it brings in revenue for them, so maybe axing it isn't on the cards; though who knows? But as far as they're concerned, it ain't broke, is it? So why would they even begin to look at a random messageboard forum like this one, just at the moment, for suggestions of how to fix it?
*Including one of mine, I am delighted to say.
But it still doesn't mean that I think I'm a SCD or ITT guru, or anything like that. I'd love to think I was, of course, but I know I'm not.
Yup, they've taken complimentary quotes off here* and used them in the programme, but really, come on - to think that we have anything remotely like a voice in the production of the programme is, well, a bit deluded, I think.
IF the ratings go down and IF the amount of money they make on the phone calls is substantially less than in previous series, THEN the powers that be might start looking round at ways to improve it and recapture the old excitement. Or they might just axe it. Mind you, they've sold this programme format to other countries all around the world and it brings in revenue for them, so maybe axing it isn't on the cards; though who knows? But as far as they're concerned, it ain't broke, is it? So why would they even begin to look at a random messageboard forum like this one, just at the moment, for suggestions of how to fix it?
*Including one of mine, I am delighted to say.
But it still doesn't mean that I think I'm a SCD or ITT guru, or anything like that. I'd love to think I was, of course, but I know I'm not.
Originally Posted by ///mav:
“I do sometimes wonder what the reaction would be if a male judge came out with arlene-esque comments about the female celebs..I don't think I need to explain the kind of comments I mean, but it's like the way woman can say all sorts of things in offices and get away with it and men would get into a lot of trouble. (Based on personal experience anyway)..”
“I do sometimes wonder what the reaction would be if a male judge came out with arlene-esque comments about the female celebs..I don't think I need to explain the kind of comments I mean, but it's like the way woman can say all sorts of things in offices and get away with it and men would get into a lot of trouble. (Based on personal experience anyway)..”
how true is this? If any man spoke about the ladies in this coarse way he would be in real trouble. Arlene is totally rude and insulting.
Originally Posted by Tango Trish:
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Rant over - placate me by bringing James Martin into the ITT studio.”
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Rant over - placate me by bringing James Martin into the ITT studio.”
Nicely slipped in there!
Some James Martin on ITT would be luuuuurvely.
Originally Posted by waynebird:
“how true is this? If any man spoke about the ladies in this coarse way he would be in real trouble. Arlene is totally rude and insulting.”
“how true is this? If any man spoke about the ladies in this coarse way he would be in real trouble. Arlene is totally rude and insulting.”
has proably has to shower after arelene making her comments!!
Originally Posted by diyqueen:
“I think we all need to calm down a bit.
Personally new Judges are due I think as the current 4 are losing the plot
But the format should stay the same shock exits are what makes it exciting.
I don't think any of the language or words are that bad (apart from Bruno's slip of the tongue last week) You are all sounding like a bunch of Mary whitehouses, if you let your kids watch the soaps week in week out I'm sure they see and hear worse.
Tongue in cheek humor is Saturday night all over has been for century's.
I wish the camera action would change also if the dancers make a mistake don't go off them we want to see all the mistakes if we don't how can we judge the dances”
“I think we all need to calm down a bit.
Personally new Judges are due I think as the current 4 are losing the plot
But the format should stay the same shock exits are what makes it exciting.
I don't think any of the language or words are that bad (apart from Bruno's slip of the tongue last week) You are all sounding like a bunch of Mary whitehouses, if you let your kids watch the soaps week in week out I'm sure they see and hear worse.
Tongue in cheek humor is Saturday night all over has been for century's.
I wish the camera action would change also if the dancers make a mistake don't go off them we want to see all the mistakes if we don't how can we judge the dances”
No they wouldn't.
I'm sorry, I'm as broadminded as they come, but 4 letter words at 6pm IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I agree with Brendan regarding his comments on the judges on SCD and ITT with Craig. Also, I hate the music they are using this series. I thought some of it was quite ridiculous for the dances they had on Saturday. The modern music just did not compliment the dancing in any way, IMO!! Something has to be done about the judges. I am sick of hearing how marvelous Emma and Louisa are. Emma danced badly, it was pointed out by the panel that her footwork was incorrect (to quote Len too many balls!!) and yet she got an 8. Sorry I think Bruce looks like a dirty old man next to his blonde tv presenter (whatever her name is!!). His double meaning jokes are not funny and inappropriate. Arlene has got to control herself regarding Mark as it is not funny just rather sad and desperate and is making a fool of herself. I am sure his wife and kids "love" some of her comments!! Mark looked so embarassed he could crawl into a hole in the ground!! The judges comments are too personal and a score of 2 for Peter was just downright insulting. Although I agree the dance was not geat and he looked rather wooden it was not worthy of a 2. Ray had a fixed grimace on his face during his routine which quite spoilt the whole dance for me!! I hope things improve this week on SCD as I have enjoyed the show but this new series is a disappointment (cos of the points mentioned above). Lastly, can we do something about the camera work!!
Originally Posted by Dancing Girl:
“I agree with Brendan regarding his comments on the judges on SCD and ITT with Craig. Also, I hate the music they are using this series. I thought some of it was quite ridiculous for the dances they had on Saturday. The modern music just did not compliment the dancing in any way, IMO!! Something has to be done about the judges. I am sick of hearing how marvelous Emma and Louisa are. Emma danced badly, it was pointed out by the panel that her footwork was incorrect (to quote Len too many balls!!) and yet she got an 8. Sorry I think Bruce looks like a dirty old man next to his blonde tv presenter (whatever her name is!!). His double meaning jokes are not funny and inappropriate. Arlene has got to control herself regarding Mark as it is not funny just rather sad and desperate and is making a fool of herself. I am sure his wife and kids "love" some of her comments!! Mark looked so embarassed he could crawl into a hole in the ground!! The judges comments are too personal and a score of 2 for Peter was just downright insulting. Although I agree the dance was not geat and he looked rather wooden it was not worthy of a 2. Ray had a fixed grimace on his face during his routine which quite spoilt the whole dance for me!! I hope things improve this week on SCD as I have enjoyed the show but this new series is a disappointment (cos of the points mentioned above). Lastly, can we do something about the camera work!!”
“I agree with Brendan regarding his comments on the judges on SCD and ITT with Craig. Also, I hate the music they are using this series. I thought some of it was quite ridiculous for the dances they had on Saturday. The modern music just did not compliment the dancing in any way, IMO!! Something has to be done about the judges. I am sick of hearing how marvelous Emma and Louisa are. Emma danced badly, it was pointed out by the panel that her footwork was incorrect (to quote Len too many balls!!) and yet she got an 8. Sorry I think Bruce looks like a dirty old man next to his blonde tv presenter (whatever her name is!!). His double meaning jokes are not funny and inappropriate. Arlene has got to control herself regarding Mark as it is not funny just rather sad and desperate and is making a fool of herself. I am sure his wife and kids "love" some of her comments!! Mark looked so embarassed he could crawl into a hole in the ground!! The judges comments are too personal and a score of 2 for Peter was just downright insulting. Although I agree the dance was not geat and he looked rather wooden it was not worthy of a 2. Ray had a fixed grimace on his face during his routine which quite spoilt the whole dance for me!! I hope things improve this week on SCD as I have enjoyed the show but this new series is a disappointment (cos of the points mentioned above). Lastly, can we do something about the camera work!!”
and breatheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
One of my biggest bug bears puts me between a rock and a hard place!
It's the voting through the week.
On the one hand I know it's for CIN and so as much money as is raised the better - on the other hand how can you vote for a dance you haven't seen, even in training.
It's either a vote in advance or a vote in retrospect - neither of which are based on the dancing.
It would be interesting to know how the votes proportion through the week/Saturday night.
Perhaps they could do other mini-votes through the week to keep the lines open - kind of a vote on the dress or the colour of Anton's outfit (!) thing - and just keep the Saturday for the dance voting?
It's the voting through the week.
On the one hand I know it's for CIN and so as much money as is raised the better - on the other hand how can you vote for a dance you haven't seen, even in training.
It's either a vote in advance or a vote in retrospect - neither of which are based on the dancing.
It would be interesting to know how the votes proportion through the week/Saturday night.
Perhaps they could do other mini-votes through the week to keep the lines open - kind of a vote on the dress or the colour of Anton's outfit (!) thing - and just keep the Saturday for the dance voting?
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