Poor old Claud with her big doe eyes trying to keep the peace. We need more debates like that one

Do you mean Nigel Lythgoe and Mary Murphy? They're the two most ballroom-y judges I can think - except maybe Ron Montez - of on SYTYCD, and I'd love to know who you mean. I think all the judges on that show are better than this four.

(Part of me was tempted to write out all their names with question marks, but I resisted )
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She was a bit lost though!

She should have said why do you talk about technique then it boils down to performance and sex appeal!

They are all very biased from where I'm sitting - I think Louisa is a lumpy little umpty but she seems in favour...

Louisas basic posture for a 17 year old is shocking!!

Thank you, yes they're the two I was thinking of. Personally, I have to turn the volume off for Mary Murphy but my point was they show passion and enthusiasm and manage to combine this with technique. Not all ballroom judges are old fuddy-duddies (his words) like Len.

Can't argue with that Mr Gritty .... there are scores of very knowledgeable judges and personalities in the ballroom dancing world (both male and female) who would certainly be a great improvement on the present panel, most of whom would be out of their depth wrapping chips! The immediate advantage would be that they all know what they are talking about, which seems a fundamental requirement of any judge!
This would lead to a fairer outcome for the dancers and less exasperation for the viewers. But it seems that such minor considerations are of no interest to the suits at the BBC.

Dancin' Doc.

Oh doctor can you help me - every morning I wake up put on a bra and knickers. I think I'm a girl.

Is there anything I can do to convince others?

"Well, my son, you're certainly not on your own in this respect. Some of the judges and quite a few of the male professionals have the same problems. It's pointless recommending any pharmaceutical remedy so my advice is not to worry about it as it's quite a common phenomenon in the dancing world.

Dancin ' Doc.

Yes Craig I finally get it that you are all looking for different things, but what are the different things? I just need to be clear on that point, and maybe Len as head judge better make it clear to the viewing audience what you are marking on as I haven't a clue

The problem is that the viewing audience is better informed on dancing from watching SCD past series and so wants informed judging and a sense of fair play. You can't get fair play if you don't know what the judges are looking at.

I do actually think it is time the beeb got the judges and said less been vindictive and personal and more on the dance (technical and interpretation). Don't treat your audience as morons who want to watch arguments and insults.

Doctor, doctor, I can see the problem when I'm lusting after some of these young professionals - but my two daughters keep calling me mum.

Awwww Ms Gritty! I read the post before this one and just thought "Nooooooooo.... you can't call Gritty a male AGAIN!" (Aren't you impressed I knew you were a woman?) hehe
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Thanks Peach. I was so surprised at my reaction - come on folks, tell me what I'm doing to get people confused - absolutely no offence will be taken.

For me (and I'm talking a year ago)... I think it was just that I associated 'gritty' as sounding like a male name... I'm sorry... but I don't now

I would love to know what exactly Craig was "looking for" when he gave Peter a score of 2?

Craigs interview on BBC website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedan...31/37449.shtml

Thanks

It's interesting that he says he scores on "good footwork" amongst other things. Hmmm..........

Ah good footwork may not necessarily equate to the correct footwork for certain dances

i.e. Good footwork may mean not stumbling

You are watching the wrong show. Its not about technicalities - the audience isn't significantly made up of dancing anoraks - they would be watching the Generation Game if that was on instead. If the judges started commenting step by step in detail the audience would switch off and the marks would range from 2 to 5. The music follows the theme - ideally it fits the persona of the dancer and it has to be very different to avoid the sheer sameness of having lots of people doing the same dance. The judges and the audience judge on impressions of whether the dancing looks good, slick, smooth, exciting or emotional as well as whether its tehncally correct. The last thing the show wants is technically correct but dull performances, even more bunched marking and the duller personalities getting to the end. The viewers also vote for personality, the VT stories and a lot of them seemingly just vote for who so ever the judges didn't like that week.

Craig is perfectly right - three of the judges vote for what they like, one votes for what she likes and against people she doesn't like - thats the only abberation. Each of the best three performers has a judge who most likes them - you can't even argue its unfair that way. Everyone on the show knows what they are doing. The judges are protecting the best dancers from the public vote which otherwise could throw anyone out and they are adding a bit to the drama. The professionals - led by Brendan - are trying to develop angles to get the public vote because an angle not dancing is what keeps you in at the moment..

Someone who didn't look totally wrong throughout the entire dance and absurd for some of it.

Its quite simple - he fits most marking scales-

Bad, uninspired, plainly wrong in every way = 2.

Dull, some things right = 5

Interesting, lively, errors = 7

interesting, imaginative, few errors = 8

interesting, imaginative, sophisticated, difficult, no real errors of any significance = 10.

Louisa was on the awards show last night and lolloped down the steps like a baby elephant....seriously- does she have something wrong with back??

Yeah

If I hadn't watched the show last week and seen Craig's score for Peter, I would have thought Peter stumbled quite a few times taking Erin with him on some of these falls

So do you think Peter's score of 2 is justified or not?

I found that really interesting and another way of trying to second-guess Craig's scores - who I do think has some formula in his head.

Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to like my favourite at the moment, but that's fine by me. But the only time, I've ever jumped up and shouted at the tv was when Craig/Brendan were on ITT this week and Craig shouted at Brendan to prove that there was any favourism in his scoring.

He knows that none of the SCD judges have to justify their scores in any way; he knows that there is no scoring system that they have to abide by - so he knows that Brendan cannot prove a negative.

I judge regularly. I have to deal with a scoring system 1 - 10 - but my sport has a system that makes me accountable and that's one of the best checks I know. The scores do differ from one judges to another and competitors do say: "oh so-and-so always gives me a lessor score because she hates my ..................". But that's not the same as what it happening on this show.

I actually thought that!