After the 'controversy' of Saturday between the judges and Brendan, who in your opinion has been left with egg on their face? If anyone, of course.

IMO Len and Arlene have come out of this situation worse. Arlene for her juvenile scoring, I mean, gosh, how dare anyone argue with the judges!

As for Len, his silly overmarking of Georgina, and pathetic comments to Brendan "stick to the filthy stuff", especially after bitching about the so called filthy stuff, really made him look like a delinquent, old fool in my eyes.

I agree Len has not come out of it well, nor has Arlene, and in my opinion nor has Brendan, although he probably feels he has. The programme has come out of it well in terms of publicity and controversy though, so I dare say the producers are happy.

Len and Arlene have come out much worse!

I think both Len and Arlene came out of it the worst by far.

I don't think that Brendan has come out of it badly. He had the courage to speak his mind and face the consequences of doing that whether good or bad. Lets face it, almost everyone here agreed with what he said and a lot of us were thinking the same at home before he even danced. They were obviously discussing exactly the same thing backstage which is why he felt compelled to say something.

I thought Bruno made a bit of a fool of himself with his comments about "don't pick on the kid" about Louisa. Aside from the blatent favouritism, you don't mark on age (didn't see any age-related bonuses going to Jimmy, for example), and if she's old enough to have entered in the first palce she is old enough to be marked on the same basis as everyone else (although what that basis is exactly is anyone's guess, at the moment!).

Arlene needs to give the sleaze a break too ~ I'm all for an older woman still revelling in her sexuality, but her comments are getting crass, and if Len commented on a female dancer's physical attributes in the same way that she does with some of the men there'd be total outrage. Drool in the privacy of your own home and on your own time, love, not on tea-time tv. And her marking down of Claire because of Brendan's opinion was pretty desperate too (and I'm not even a Brendan fan).
Last edited by dancingbearbear : 31-10-2006 at 12:09

Amen to that. I don't think Bruno is doing her any favours.


True, can you even imagine?

I don't feel like anyone has come out of it worse than any other - they all came out terribly and with dia need of ege-deflation!
I've never had problems with the judges before - I've always felt they scored fairly, or within 1 point of a decent judging, however Saturday was definitely a bit of a turn-around..
Brendan came out far worse than perhaps he should have done - afterall, he was the one who had the guts to say what everyone else was probably thinking. Everything he said was legitimate, just maybe he presented it a bit too confronationally for it to be a useful comment?

"I couldn't mark you with any sense of perspective, and I didn't bother looking at your footwork, cos I couldn't stop staring at your lovely pert bre*sts". He'd be off the show before you could say "lech!"

Definitely!

Ditto if he started saying "you were hot and horny..."

Arlene did herself no favours with her over harsh marking of Brendan and Clare - although I will defend her over her Mark bias - she may have a huge crush on him, but her marking is in line with the other judges and has, at least on one occassion possibly 2, marked him lower then another judge.

Len, usually good, but looked a fool with his mark of Georgina and remarks to Brendan re 'filthy stuff'

Craig - usually the most level headed scorer - but he in no way can justify completely ignoring Emma's footwork, and then cataloging other foxtrot mistakes and complaining Carol's far superior footwork wasn't good enough. Also looked a bit of a numpty on ITT last night, trying to put it all down to Brendan's stiring, rather then the real reason people were upset.

Bruno - *sigh* where to begin, well lets start at him igoring Louisa's substandard dance and marking her far too highly because she's young

Brendan - I'm no fan, but he was spot on, both on SCD and ITT.

Edited to add: Re Mark and Arlene - yup her remarks are OTT and there's no way a male judge would get away saying the same to a female contestant.
Last edited by Agent Krycek : 31-10-2006 at 12:20

I officialy complained regarding the personal attacks on brendan and claire on saturday from len and arelene, and them making it a vendetta against them!

Len & Arlene have come out of it worse for me (petty, rude, egotistical etc.) - I've never been a big fan of Brendan (and I don't expect him & Claire to make it into the final six), so my opinion of him hasn't changed. However, he does need to forget about the judging now/never mention it again and "behave" until he and Claire make their exit.

When I watch SCD next Saturday, I'm going to mute the TV when the judges talk to the contestants; I still have a lot of respect for Craig, but the rest of them are now an irrelevance/annoyance as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think anyone came out well, there was petulance on all sides. The real loser could be fairness in future judging/comments. Will the judges still feel able to give good marks and comments to their favourites if they dance brilliantly, or will they feel obliged to tone it down a bit? The price of a little cheap publicity could be that this particular SCD is doomed. Like everyone else I was getting fed up with the judges biases, but I wish the dancers had complained formally and in private so they could have sorted it out without all thisl.

Perhaps..... but the natives were already revolting on the forums before Brendan put a foot on the floor on Saturday and with very good reason, too !

How do we know that they haven't tried to do so privately?

They may well have tried to promote a revision of the marking system behind the scenes but nothing came of it.

Brendan forced it out into the open in front of 9M viewers - so now something HAS to be addressed!

Brendan's main problem is that he admitted a couple of weeks before this that he will bend the rules and do anything he can to stay in the competition. That is bound to make some people suspicious of his motives...

The only real bug bear I have with Brendan, and I'm not a fan of his, is his swearing. I know he spelt it out, but my children can spell, and it is supposed to be a family show. You shoudl be able to argue without resorting to foul language (yeah I know I sound like a dinosaur but it drives me nuts!) Other than that he has held himself up quite well.

Craig, well he stuck to his guns, didn't agree with some of his scores but at least he's consistant in his scoring, ie very harsh when it's not to his taste, and loving the choreography and musicality.

Bruno came across as a latin diva, and after his blatent lovefest with Ian Wait in series 2 and 3 I kinda expect his behaviour now.

Neither of them

Brendan basically made accusations on saturday night then when the heat came on him he shyed away from his initial inference that the judges were biased.

CRH never really answered the questions put to him and some of the things he said did not seem credible like

"we dont know the marks others are going to give"

well why so much note passing between them

my two cents

The person who looked the worst in the whole thing was Arlene..as for who the situation will hurt the most - probably in the long run I'd unfortunately say Claire King.

200% AGREE

and I think this is what alot of people are forgetting

What Brendan actually said was, if the judges don't give fair scores then he will have to bend the rules again to excite the audience.


I feel another thing that has upset Brendan was hewas told to behave himself with no lifts etc, when he has by doing a proper technical foxtort, no messing around at the beginning finishing bang on the mark like Bruce said they did, and he still got rubbish comments like stick to the flithy stuff, the man can't win

winnielong

I think you'll find it was if the judges didn't give him _good_ marks - his and Claire's jive that week wasn't very good and was marked accordingly. Nowt to do with fairness, at that point. The marking this week is a different issue.
Last edited by sarah-flute : 31-10-2006 at 16:19

Brendan actually said their jive wasn't that good and the marks were OK. What he is talking about now is the general situation for all couples and some of the remarks that are made such as Len's this week. All seem to get on very well this year and he was talking for everyone. I don't think the judges have come out of this very well - Arlene should apologise to Brendan for what she said in the results show.

And have you noticed how it goes out around the same time as the wrestling used to?

and he quoted a lot of what we have allready noticed on here!